(01-10-2009, 05:31 PM)ForcedInduction If you can build up an old 3.0L engine to hold together putting down that much torque, mounting a custom pump wouldn't be much of a challenge.

(01-10-2009, 07:36 PM)oel_brenner is there a definitive resource somewhere that has information on what elements are available for each pump ?

and part #'s and source / price information

(01-11-2009, 09:20 AM)tomnik M: elements: 6, 6.5, 7 mm 45 EUR/each
delivery valves: 18 EUR/each
nozzles: 36 EUR/each

all parts after market (Hollys custom made).

Tom

(04-06-2009, 09:55 PM)winequip_td sorry my last post was for Tomnik not oel_brenner. I misread the post, oel_brenner's post was referencing something that Tomnik was saying. Sorry for the confusion, but I am still interested in the 7mm elements.

thanks Nathan

(01-11-2009, 08:54 PM)oel_brenner thats why I was wondering about the pump swap.. those "P" pumps on the cummins ISB's are EVERYWHERE in the yards.. ( and cheap !)

(09-07-2009, 06:57 AM)deerefanatic All the ones I'm finding are ungodly expensive (Close to $1000 for that stuff)

(10-08-2009, 07:41 AM)Einar Tomnik, You are in Germany, right?

PES 6 M55 C320 RS 157-1

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BTW
7mm M-elements we can find in OM615.940, W123 200D 40-44 kW

Pump no.
0 400 084 008
PES 4 M 70 C 321 RS 54
MN 60 M 45 DR

(10-09-2009, 09:14 AM)ForcedInduction The OM615 (200D, 220D) has 5.0mm elements.

(01-11-2009, 09:20 AM)tomnik Btw. I was offered 603a IPs, brand new.

(10-21-2009, 03:05 PM)tomnik Matt,

when you swap the elements you usually use a new seal/gasket kit for the IP,all bearings are checked, except the used look it is like new.
The brand new ones I have are equipped with the pneumatic idle stabilizer only.
What are you looking for?

Tom

(10-22-2009, 02:59 PM)tomnik Matt,

the M is the IP you need for the 606 engine.
You could get in contact with Kartek for necessary or unused electronics concerning the IP. As I wrote, the ones I have only have the pneumatic idle stabilizer on the backside. I want 200 EUROs as it is +shipping but it would make sense to swap elements before shipping

Tom

(10-29-2009, 07:27 AM)E300TSC I plan on using the stock electronics on my M(e) pump aside from possibly modifying the signal from the rack position sensing circuit.

I also have a pump from an OM603.971 in reserve in case the computer proves unable to maintain proper control of the engine with the 7mm elements installed. I'm really hoping to use the e pump as I want to retain the cruise functionality as well as idle control and all the other convience features.

It would be a real PITA to adapt for the drive by wire to work properly on the mechanical pump.

(10-29-2009, 01:03 PM)HoleshotHolset Issues with running a mechanical M pump:
Making the 722.6 shift (just upgrade to a 4L80-E or T56! )
Getting gauges/tach to work
No cruise control
HVAC, charging system - they'd both probably like to know that the engine is running...and at what RPM it's at.
etc...

(10-29-2009, 01:03 PM)HoleshotHolset Have you considered enlarged injector nozzles in lieu of or in addition to the larger pump elements? Installing larger nozzles would be a lot less invasive and much easier to reverse...

Beers,

Matt

(10-30-2009, 07:17 AM)E300TSC I am actually referring to a throttle positioner (stellungsregler), the servo that moves the throttle mechanism inresponse to the computer input.

(10-30-2009, 03:59 PM)HoleshotHolset Why?

To mount a mechanical pump on an OM606.962, the only thing you need to do is convince the rest of the car that the engine is running by providing the proper operational characteristics. By the same token - to date, I haven't seen any data to support the going theory that the electronic pump isn't capable of higher HP levels.

If we can get enough fuel to support sizable gains with the OEM electronic IP, still retain the OEM ECM, achieve a smooth idle, maintain cruise control, etc. - I see no reason to ditch the OEM electronic IP.

We just need to fool the ECM into thinking everything is OK after we've messed with a lot of things - surely the IP is capable of full rack travel...

Beers,

Matt

(10-30-2009, 05:30 PM)E300TSC That's exactly my plan. I was only brainstorming the possibilities for controlling a mech. pump if the elements were not compatible or the resolution of the ECU isn't sufficient to maintain a smooth idle.