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om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-20-2011
I am looking to do a diesel swap in my 1992 toyota 4x4 pickup, and I am trying to find out what size to fly wheel these two om60x's have. Originally I was going to use and om617 but would like more power that I had first wanted. If I go with the om606 I would put the 603 pump in as well as the 6m elements from the 606. I am shooting for around 200hp to start, maybe upwards of 300 at some point. I am going to use the stock toyota tranny and make an adapter plate here at school because we have the tools for it available. Any help would be great guys!
Thanks
RE: om603 or 0m606 - muuris - 01-20-2011
How are you going to fit the 6-cyl engine under the hood? How about the added weight? 617 would be even worse!
What about 5-cylinder, OM602 or OM605? The first mentioned is very cost effective and you can get 200-300hp from it no problem (excluding costs). Need original turbo bottom end and tuned injection pump.
I'm worried how the Toyota tranny will hold up. The axles are strong but stock gear ratios are so damn high. Luckily there are aftermarket parts available, I'd really consider those, too, because you don't need 3500rpms when cruising with turbo OM60x
RE: om603 or 0m606 - aaa - 01-20-2011
I'd venture to say the flywheels are the same.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-20-2011
(01-20-2011, 05:29 PM)muuris How are you going to fit the 6-cyl engine under the hood? How about the added weight? 617 would be even worse!
What about 5-cylinder, OM602 or OM605? The first mentioned is very cost effective and you can get 200-300hp from it no problem (excluding costs). Need original turbo bottom end and tuned injection pump.
I'm worried how the Toyota tranny will hold up. The axles are strong but stock gear ratios are so damn high. Luckily there are aftermarket parts available, I'd really consider those, too, because you don't need 3500rpms when cruising with turbo OM60x
Well, I have seen the om617 in a truck like mine before, are they comprable in length? And I am not going to to a 5 because they are much harder to come by, I am able to get a om606 or om603 pretty easily. As for the gearing I plan to make this an expadition based rig, so larger tires than stock will be in order, which should handle that aspect. As for the flywheel I meant how large are the om60x's because I want to know how much of a variance there will be in the size of the bell housings for my adapter. As for cost, I can get a totaled car and get all i need relatively easily because of one of my teachers.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - jonbobshinigin - 01-20-2011
Well, a 606 here in the US is going to be a non-turbo which means quite a bit of modifying to get it take the extra power. However I think there is a guy who put an HX35 on his non-turbo 606 and had good results. I am not sure how much power it would hold up to though. I would not bother with a 617 because it will not give you the power you need. As Muuris said, a 602 would be a great option because it would fit into your vehicle much easier, and leave rooms for other things later such as an intercooler. As you said though, it may be more difficult to find, but I don't see how it would be harder to find than a 603, except for the fact that you seem to have one available now. Another reason to consider the 602 over the 603 is the known head issue with the 603 that is not present in the 602.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-20-2011
(01-20-2011, 06:58 PM)jonbobshinigin Well, a 606 here in the US is going to be a non-turbo which means quite a bit of modifying to get it take the extra power. However I think there is a guy who put an HX35 on his non-turbo 606 and had good results. I am not sure how much power it would hold up to though. I would not bother with a 617 because it will not give you the power you need. As Muuris said, a 602 would be a great option because it would fit into your vehicle much easier, and leave rooms for other things later such as an intercooler. As you said though, it may be more difficult to find, but I don't see how it would be harder to find than a 603, except for the fact that you seem to have one available now. Another reason to consider the 602 over the 603 is the known head issue with the 603 that is not present in the 602.
I had thought that the turbo om606 came here as well? a totaled one for sale near by me looks to me a turbo from the pics on the website...was the 602 an option for the US market? Also, would a moderately tuned 603 be worth it? If so I dont mind keeping the stock pump and just making it as efficient as I can
RE: om603 or 0m606 - MTUPower - 01-20-2011
(01-20-2011, 07:17 PM)redyota(01-20-2011, 06:58 PM)jonbobshinigin Well, a 606 here in the US is going to be a non-turbo which means quite a bit of modifying to get it take the extra power. However I think there is a guy who put an HX35 on his non-turbo 606 and had good results. I am not sure how much power it would hold up to though. I would not bother with a 617 because it will not give you the power you need. As Muuris said, a 602 would be a great option because it would fit into your vehicle much easier, and leave rooms for other things later such as an intercooler. As you said though, it may be more difficult to find, but I don't see how it would be harder to find than a 603, except for the fact that you seem to have one available now. Another reason to consider the 602 over the 603 is the known head issue with the 603 that is not present in the 602.
I had thought that the turbo om606 came here as well? a totaled one for sale near by me looks to me a turbo from the pics on the website...was the 602 an option for the US market? Also, would a moderately tuned 603 be worth it? If so I dont mind keeping the stock pump and just making it as efficient as I can
w210's had the turbo 606 in '98 and '99. NA in the prior two years.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-20-2011
(01-20-2011, 07:30 PM)MTUPower(01-20-2011, 07:17 PM)redyota(01-20-2011, 06:58 PM)jonbobshinigin Well, a 606 here in the US is going to be a non-turbo which means quite a bit of modifying to get it take the extra power. However I think there is a guy who put an HX35 on his non-turbo 606 and had good results. I am not sure how much power it would hold up to though. I would not bother with a 617 because it will not give you the power you need. As Muuris said, a 602 would be a great option because it would fit into your vehicle much easier, and leave rooms for other things later such as an intercooler. As you said though, it may be more difficult to find, but I don't see how it would be harder to find than a 603, except for the fact that you seem to have one available now. Another reason to consider the 602 over the 603 is the known head issue with the 603 that is not present in the 602.
perfect, thank you. does anyone know the size of the flywheel?
I had thought that the turbo om606 came here as well? a totaled one for sale near by me looks to me a turbo from the pics on the website...was the 602 an option for the US market? Also, would a moderately tuned 603 be worth it? If so I dont mind keeping the stock pump and just making it as efficient as I can
w210's had the turbo 606 in '98 and '99. NA in the prior two years.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - jonbobshinigin - 01-20-2011
I didn't realize a turbo 606 was ever offered here in the states! That is exciting, although I imagine they are very uncommon and costly!
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-20-2011
(01-20-2011, 10:53 PM)jonbobshinigin I didn't realize a turbo 606 was ever offered here in the states! That is exciting, although I imagine they are very uncommon and costly!
Im in the process of trying to get mine, I just need no find out if the cast in bell housing pattern will be large enough to make my adapter plate
RE: om603 or 0m606 - muuris - 01-21-2011
OM603/OM606 is longer than OM617, but both are better choice than the old iron lump.
(01-20-2011, 05:43 PM)redyota As for cost, I can get a totaled car and get all i need relatively easily because of one of my teachers.I meant power. You can't get injection pump for 300hp relatively cheap anywhere.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-21-2011
(01-21-2011, 01:49 AM)muuris OM603/OM606 is longer than OM617, but both are better choice than the old iron lump.
(01-20-2011, 05:43 PM)redyota As for cost, I can get a totaled car and get all i need relatively easily because of one of my teachers.I meant power. You can't get injection pump for 300hp relatively cheap anywhere.
what kind of power numbers can you get using the 6mm elements from the 606 on a 603 pump? As for fit, I am trying to get to the junkyard where the car is so i can make some measurements but school is a little busy at the moment.
thanks for the help so far
RE: om603 or 0m606 - aaa - 01-21-2011
Dave did it:
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/om603-semi-super-pump-testing-fitted-with-bosch-t-2082.html
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-21-2011
(01-21-2011, 05:26 AM)aaa Dave did it:
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/om603-semi-super-pump-testing-fitted-with-bosch-t-2082.html
The first thing I want to do is get everything running properly before I start tinkering, I just want to get it all right and then start working on the power situation.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-21-2011
also, is there anyone who is willing to take a few measurements off their own 606 or 603? I need to find out if it will actually fit in my rig, but I cant get out to the junkyard soon
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-22-2011
Can anyone tell me how much smaller the om602 and 605 are than their 6 cylinder brothers and weither or not they were an option on the US market? I have been thinking that these may be a better option especially if they are smaller. Also, is the bell housing pattern cast into the block on these models or is there an adapter plate?
Thanks
RE: om603 or 0m606 - aaa - 01-22-2011
5 inches smaller? om602 was in the US, but not the om605. Bellhousing is cast.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-22-2011
(01-22-2011, 10:48 PM)aaa 5 inches smaller? om602 was in the US, but not the om605. Bellhousing is cast.
Thanks! Also, I may have run into a problem. Which side is the starter on? Mine is on the passenger side.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - aaa - 01-22-2011
Driver's. Is it really a big deal? The mercedes battery is on the passenger side.
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-23-2011
(01-22-2011, 11:29 PM)aaa Driver's. Is it really a big deal? The mercedes battery is on the passenger side.
well, i would need a picture of the bellhousing thats caste, because the bellhousing of the tranny has it on the passenger side which means i need to mount it there seeing as how it cant be mounted on the other side. I need a picture so that I can see if the adapter plate can be made to move the starter. Im not so sure to do about this one.
Thanks
RE: om603 or 0m606 - muuris - 01-23-2011
Wouldn't it be easier to adapt OM60x gearbox bell-housing to the Toyota tranny?
RE: om603 or 0m606 - redyota - 01-23-2011
(01-23-2011, 03:08 AM)muuris Wouldn't it be easier to adapt OM60x gearbox bell-housing to the Toyota tranny?
my plan was to make an adapter plate that took the om60x pattern, bolted up to the block, and then math the pattern of my tranny to the adapter ring, lining up the input shaft to the pilot bushing, my concern is that i wont be able to mount the started on the other side because of the cast in pattern on the block
RE: om603 or 0m606 - 300D50 - 01-23-2011
You can always get out the plasma cutter and carefully remove material to accommodate the drivers side drop on the starter, I did that with a Mitsubishi KM145 trans when I plopped an OM616 in a Mighty Max (was pass side, but same idea).
If you do it right, you can transfer the housing lump around to the new position, and have it tig'd on, and do the same with the chunk that was removed.