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Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - Atli - 05-31-2011
hi Guys.
Can somebady that can read flow charts se if I can run Garrett GT3582R ball bearing on my 603 engine with 7.5 elements?
I have it installed and I can only get 8PSI boost but alot of smoke and exaust heat.
Is it to big?
Thanks
Regards
Atli
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - aaa - 05-31-2011
Where's the flow chart?
What does "only get 8psi" mean? What rpm do you get it at, etc.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - Atli - 06-01-2011
(05-31-2011, 07:47 PM)aaa Where's the flow chart?
What does "only get 8psi" mean? What rpm do you get it at, etc.
8 PSI is the max pressure I can get, at about 4000rpm upp hill in any gear and then the EGT wery quiqly to 800dgrC
Next thing is to advance the timing and go from 2,5" exhaust to 3"
do you have any ather ideas?
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - tomnik - 06-01-2011
your turbo is o.k. mechanically?
waste gate, freely spinning?
But first make sure the timing is o.k.
If the timing is o.k. already then increase fuel.
(But I believe your timing is way off because of the abnormal EGT)
Tom
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - Atli - 06-01-2011
(06-01-2011, 09:41 AM)tomnik your turbo is o.k. mechanically?
waste gate, freely spinning?
But first make sure the timing is o.k.
If the timing is o.k. already then increase fuel.
(But I believe your timing is way off because of the abnormal EGT)
Tom
Hi Tom
The turbo is new and should be working ok, I havewastgate activator opening at 14PSI.
I have some bad 3" to 2,5" connetion right after the turbine, I hope I will get more bosst if I make good 3" exhaust.
Regards
Atli
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - erling66 - 06-02-2011
Disconnect your 2,5" exhaust system for a test spin, will make some noise but you are in Iceland
Then you will know if your exhaust is too small or not.Take a few photos of your engine.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - dieselmeken - 06-03-2011
If your turbo is to big, try this
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - Ducos - 06-04-2011
(06-03-2011, 12:57 PM)dieselmeken If your turbo is to big, try this
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
What is this?
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - dieselboy - 06-05-2011
Is for a twin scroll turbo. It blocks one side off till it sees boost and opens up for full flow.
Some people have had good luck with it.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - winmutt - 06-06-2011
This is a very big turbo even if it is a ball bearing.
COMPRESSOR 61.4mm 82.0mm 56 0.70
TURBINE 68.0mm 84 0.82 Free Float
I agree with erling66.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - dieselboy - 06-06-2011
I would want to try a smaller turbine housing.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - Atli - 06-09-2011
(06-06-2011, 10:00 AM)winmutt This is a very big turbo even if it is a ball bearing.
COMPRESSOR 61.4mm 82.0mm 56 0.70
TURBINE 68.0mm 84 0.82 Free Float
I agree with erling66.
Hi
Ok, I was afraid that it was to big after I bought it, the turbine housing is .63AR and that is the smallest housing I could bay on this turbine.
I bought it after Forced sent me this post..
"An HX35 has proven a good match for your engine. And a GT35 or GT37 would work well on the Garrett side."
What smaller turbine would you suggest?
Regards
Atli
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - winmutt - 06-09-2011
GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - mantahead - 06-09-2011
hi,
instead of buying a quick spool valve you could make up a plate that fits between turbo and exhaust manifold and block off one scroll. This should increase you boost pressure. Although i think you have pump problem.
wayne
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - hansebanger77 - 06-09-2011
hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - dieselmeken - 06-10-2011
(06-09-2011, 04:28 PM)mantahead hi,
instead of buying a quick spool valve you could make up a plate that fits between turbo and exhaust manifold and block off one scroll. This should increase you boost pressure. Although i think you have pump problem.
wayne
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
Maybee a bit OT, but its about turboapplication.
I have built one VE pump for M51 engine, that pulls out app 90cc, togehter with a HX35 it worked out well, but the HX35 was a copy from another country, then a HX40 was on the machine with spoolup at 4000 rpm. Not driveable.
So therefor I bulid i new pump that pulls out 120cc, This one will be mounted in this weekend. If it doesent work out, one plate like the one on the picture will be mounted just for trying.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - Atli - 06-15-2011
(06-09-2011, 07:47 AM)winmutt GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
Hi
Yes I have very well open 3" exhaust now and the car is a little better, I can get 10psi at 4rpm under heavy load. But smoke and exhaust heat is still big problem. Next step is to doble check the timing with time gun and se if the pump starts pumping at 25dgr before TDC.
Regards
Atli
(06-09-2011, 11:56 PM)hansebanger77 hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
Yes I have ALDA and it is connected, I have both turn it in and out and the smok decreases if I turn it in but the exhaust heat is still high.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - anjay - 06-17-2011
(06-15-2011, 11:34 AM)AtliIt looks like your turbo is way to big for what you looking for performance wise. I have installed GT 3572 KLNV which is VNT type turbo(06-09-2011, 07:47 AM)winmutt GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
Hi
Yes I have very well open 3" exhaust now and the car is a little better, I can get 10psi at 4rpm under heavy load. But smoke and exhaust heat is still big problem. Next step is to doble check the timing with time gun and se if the pump starts pumping at 25dgr before TDC.
Regards
Atli
(06-09-2011, 11:56 PM)hansebanger77 hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
Yes I have ALDA and it is connected, I have both turn it in and out and the smok decreases if I turn it in but the exhaust heat is still high.
and I am quite please with it. It starts boosting from 1500 rpm on. I am on standard fueling so my max boost is 14 psi if I floor it and then exhaust temp. goes up to 1250 deg. F.
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - Atli - 07-01-2011
Some progress,
Found broken junktion on the exhaust manifolt causing the boost to come late, then I foun out the wastgate govenor opaned at 8psi.
Now I have some power and up to 18psi boost pressure.
I still have to much smoke and to high EGT.
The tine is set to 18dgr After TDC.
Is it ok to block the wastgate if the pressure never goes over 20 psi? (603,960)
Regards
Atli
RE: Garrett GT3582R for OM603 - anjay - 07-01-2011
Since you were able to raise boost by adjusting wastegate I would make sure is not opening. Check intake monifold for air leaks to make sure you are not loosing boost there.
High temp. might be caused by timing, too much exhaust restriction or not enough air for amount of fuel delivered(low boost). You will have sort it out.
What is controling your wastegate - boost or exhaust back pressure?
Sometimes to reduce black smoke you have to control your foot.