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Jtn190D

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03-20-2010, 07:51 PM #1

Hey all i just got a 79 240d and was wondering what will it take to install a om606 turbo engine?

Thanks in advance!

Jtn190D

03-20-2010, 07:51 PM #1

Hey all i just got a 79 240d and was wondering what will it take to install a om606 turbo engine?

Thanks in advance!

Kozuka

I'm_Badass

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03-20-2010, 10:10 PM #2

You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.

This post was last modified: 03-20-2010, 10:17 PM by Kozuka.

Kozuka

03-20-2010, 10:10 PM #2

You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.

Mercy

Naturally-aspirated

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03-21-2010, 02:33 PM #3

(03-20-2010, 10:10 PM)Kozuka You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.

so there is a difference between engine munts om603 and om606 (w210)?

Mercy

03-21-2010, 02:33 PM #3

(03-20-2010, 10:10 PM)Kozuka You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.

so there is a difference between engine munts om603 and om606 (w210)?

Kozuka

I'm_Badass

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03-21-2010, 03:40 PM #4

Yeah the W123/W126 used old style shock mounts and the W210 used pneumatic one-piece mounts (W201/W124 Style). Also have different positioning of the engine/transmission for each chassis. The Proven Method is also said to have tight clearance between the subframe/oilpan. I suspect that the bolt patten on the block for the mount bracket is the same as a W123 M110 as the OM603/OM606 (maybe 602/605 but 601 is like a M102 triangle instead of a rectangular shape) which might provide proper engine/gearbox position in the engine bay.

I also believe that a W123 M110 transmission would also work.

This post was last modified: 03-21-2010, 03:56 PM by Kozuka.

Kozuka

03-21-2010, 03:40 PM #4

Yeah the W123/W126 used old style shock mounts and the W210 used pneumatic one-piece mounts (W201/W124 Style). Also have different positioning of the engine/transmission for each chassis. The Proven Method is also said to have tight clearance between the subframe/oilpan. I suspect that the bolt patten on the block for the mount bracket is the same as a W123 M110 as the OM603/OM606 (maybe 602/605 but 601 is like a M102 triangle instead of a rectangular shape) which might provide proper engine/gearbox position in the engine bay.

I also believe that a W123 M110 transmission would also work.

Volvo Tweaker

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11-07-2010, 06:12 PM #5

the m103 and om603 motor mounts from a w126 are the same?

3*10mm plates...meaning 30mm spacers for the motor mount?

Mylesofsmyles

11-07-2010, 06:12 PM #5

the m103 and om603 motor mounts from a w126 are the same?

3*10mm plates...meaning 30mm spacers for the motor mount?

Six in a row make her go!

2,507

11-07-2010, 10:49 PM #6

Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y

This post was last modified: 11-07-2010, 10:51 PM by willbhere4u.

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

willbhere4u

11-07-2010, 10:49 PM #6

Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Volvo Tweaker

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11-07-2010, 11:53 PM #7

you have any details on that car?

production vehicle?

Mylesofsmyles

11-07-2010, 11:53 PM #7

you have any details on that car?

production vehicle?

muuris

OM605

318

11-08-2010, 02:00 PM #8

That's OM603 and is, of course, not a production vehicle.

muuris

11-08-2010, 02:00 PM #8

That's OM603 and is, of course, not a production vehicle.

Holset

373

11-08-2010, 10:13 PM #9

603 NA

George3soccer

11-08-2010, 10:13 PM #9

603 NA

Volvo Tweaker

76

11-08-2010, 10:53 PM #10

hmm... wonder what he used for mounts...blurry vid but looked pretty basic and acquired, not fab'd.

Mylesofsmyles

11-08-2010, 10:53 PM #10

hmm... wonder what he used for mounts...blurry vid but looked pretty basic and acquired, not fab'd.

Six in a row make her go!

2,507

11-08-2010, 11:04 PM #11

Yea he also started with a 6 cylinder gas car so it may be the original 5spd transmission with the LH starter

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

willbhere4u

11-08-2010, 11:04 PM #11

Yea he also started with a 6 cylinder gas car so it may be the original 5spd transmission with the LH starter

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Volvo Tweaker

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11-08-2010, 11:43 PM #12

so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy

Mylesofsmyles

11-08-2010, 11:43 PM #12

so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy

Six in a row make her go!

2,507

11-09-2010, 02:15 PM #13

I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

willbhere4u

11-09-2010, 02:15 PM #13

I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Volvo Tweaker

76

11-09-2010, 06:02 PM #14

(11-07-2010, 10:49 PM)willbhere4u Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y

(11-09-2010, 02:15 PM)willbhere4u I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?

tryin to think one step at a time....could maybe get away with the slushbox that comes with the om606, but i haven't invested any time in determining whether or not there's a bolt on option for a 6 speed manual.

Mylesofsmyles

11-09-2010, 06:02 PM #14

(11-07-2010, 10:49 PM)willbhere4u Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y

(11-09-2010, 02:15 PM)willbhere4u I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?

tryin to think one step at a time....could maybe get away with the slushbox that comes with the om606, but i haven't invested any time in determining whether or not there's a bolt on option for a 6 speed manual.

Holset

373

11-09-2010, 06:22 PM #15

There is a bolt on 5 sleed for the 606. Use either a 190 m102 8vlv, m103 12v or the best option a getreg m102 16vlv tranny. All bolt up.

I have currently on my 603 the m102 8vlv 5 speed.

George3soccer

11-09-2010, 06:22 PM #15

There is a bolt on 5 sleed for the 606. Use either a 190 m102 8vlv, m103 12v or the best option a getreg m102 16vlv tranny. All bolt up.

I have currently on my 603 the m102 8vlv 5 speed.

Six in a row make her go!

2,507

11-09-2010, 09:43 PM #16

Some one was thinking the 6spd from a 230 kompressor may fit? but I'll be happy with a 5spd some day!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

willbhere4u

11-09-2010, 09:43 PM #16

Some one was thinking the 6spd from a 230 kompressor may fit? but I'll be happy with a 5spd some day!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Holset

373

11-09-2010, 11:01 PM #17

Yes the 6 speed from the w203 c230 m111, will fit any om60x. Of course you have to play around with the flywheel, and clutch issue, but it can be fitted.

Also on a side note few other people were being concerned in how tough the 6speed actually is. After all it was matted onto a motor that produced, 190hp, and possibly 230NM. So any om with an upgrade turbo and extra fueling could start mangeling up this tranny.

Your best bet is to stick with the getreg from the 16v,.

Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

George3soccer

11-09-2010, 11:01 PM #17

Yes the 6 speed from the w203 c230 m111, will fit any om60x. Of course you have to play around with the flywheel, and clutch issue, but it can be fitted.

Also on a side note few other people were being concerned in how tough the 6speed actually is. After all it was matted onto a motor that produced, 190hp, and possibly 230NM. So any om with an upgrade turbo and extra fueling could start mangeling up this tranny.

Your best bet is to stick with the getreg from the 16v,.

Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

Volvo Tweaker

76

11-09-2010, 11:56 PM #18

(11-09-2010, 11:01 PM)George3soccer Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

good post, and interesting project thanks. as for strength, i'm really just seeing what's within the realm of possibilities.

really most interested with how to properly, and cleanly (no fab) fit a om60x into a w123

Mylesofsmyles

11-09-2010, 11:56 PM #18

(11-09-2010, 11:01 PM)George3soccer Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

good post, and interesting project thanks. as for strength, i'm really just seeing what's within the realm of possibilities.

really most interested with how to properly, and cleanly (no fab) fit a om60x into a w123

muuris

OM605

318

11-10-2010, 03:43 PM #19

I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.

This post was last modified: 11-10-2010, 03:49 PM by muuris.

muuris

11-10-2010, 03:43 PM #19

I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.

Volvo Tweaker

76

11-10-2010, 04:42 PM #20

(11-10-2010, 03:43 PM)muuris I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.

what'd you have to do to the flywheel?

Mylesofsmyles

11-10-2010, 04:42 PM #20

(11-10-2010, 03:43 PM)muuris I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.

what'd you have to do to the flywheel?

muuris

OM605

318

11-11-2010, 01:43 PM #21

(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?

Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.

This post was last modified: 11-11-2010, 01:47 PM by muuris.

muuris

11-11-2010, 01:43 PM #21

(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?

Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.

Volvo Tweaker

76

11-12-2010, 02:03 AM #22

(11-11-2010, 01:43 PM)muuris
(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.

you got it...was asking what you did that was custom.

so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

Mylesofsmyles

11-12-2010, 02:03 AM #22

(11-11-2010, 01:43 PM)muuris
(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.

you got it...was asking what you did that was custom.

so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

muuris

OM605

318

11-12-2010, 03:58 PM #23

(11-12-2010, 02:03 AM)Mylesofsmyles so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

Yes. Any stock CDI passenger car clutch setup would fit physically.

muuris

11-12-2010, 03:58 PM #23

(11-12-2010, 02:03 AM)Mylesofsmyles so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

Yes. Any stock CDI passenger car clutch setup would fit physically.

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11-13-2010, 05:45 AM #24

(11-08-2010, 11:43 PM)Mylesofsmyles so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy

Nah, I dont think the M110 mounts will fit the 606...

The M110 mounts are much the same as the OM.617 mounts and I dont think these fit the 606 either...

You need mounts from a W126 300SE and use spacers....

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Alastair E

11-13-2010, 05:45 AM #24

(11-08-2010, 11:43 PM)Mylesofsmyles so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy

Nah, I dont think the M110 mounts will fit the 606...

The M110 mounts are much the same as the OM.617 mounts and I dont think these fit the 606 either...

You need mounts from a W126 300SE and use spacers....

[Image: 300TDnoplate.jpg]

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