STD Tuning Engine OM 648

OM 648

OM 648

 
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Michael2006
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08-17-2010, 07:11 AM #1
Hello,

i have read in majesty78 Thread from the OM 606/613. So i was on search about informations about the OM 648 DE 32 LA Engine on the W211 E320 cdi.

So my question is, is the OM 648 also so strong than as the OM 606/613 engine? How about the rev of this engines, how much could it go?

Thank you, Greetings Michael
Michael2006
08-17-2010, 07:11 AM #1

Hello,

i have read in majesty78 Thread from the OM 606/613. So i was on search about informations about the OM 648 DE 32 LA Engine on the W211 E320 cdi.

So my question is, is the OM 648 also so strong than as the OM 606/613 engine? How about the rev of this engines, how much could it go?

Thank you, Greetings Michael

tomnik
Holset

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08-17-2010, 09:47 AM #2
Hello Michael,

generally you are a bit too modern with your CDI engine in this forum.
But in case it is the R6 and not the V6 320 CDI you are referring to I can tell you about my friend's 2005, chiptuned, all day as fast as possible with now almost 700.000 Km without any issues on the engine.
So the engine has to be reliable somehow.
A bigger turbo and better intercooler in combination with chiptuning were my thoughts before going into deep map modification for the injection or even injector modification.
Maybe some pure CDI guys could help better. In any case stay in contact with Alex, he also bought a 320 CDI and is looking for more power.

Tom

(08-17-2010, 07:11 AM)Michael2006 Hello,

i have read in majesty78 Thread from the OM 606/613. So i was on search about informations about the OM 648 DE 32 LA Engine on the W211 E320 cdi.

So my question is, is the OM 648 also so strong than as the OM 606/613 engine? How about the rev of this engines, how much could it go?

Thank you, Greetings Michael
tomnik
08-17-2010, 09:47 AM #2

Hello Michael,

generally you are a bit too modern with your CDI engine in this forum.
But in case it is the R6 and not the V6 320 CDI you are referring to I can tell you about my friend's 2005, chiptuned, all day as fast as possible with now almost 700.000 Km without any issues on the engine.
So the engine has to be reliable somehow.
A bigger turbo and better intercooler in combination with chiptuning were my thoughts before going into deep map modification for the injection or even injector modification.
Maybe some pure CDI guys could help better. In any case stay in contact with Alex, he also bought a 320 CDI and is looking for more power.

Tom

(08-17-2010, 07:11 AM)Michael2006 Hello,

i have read in majesty78 Thread from the OM 606/613. So i was on search about informations about the OM 648 DE 32 LA Engine on the W211 E320 cdi.

So my question is, is the OM 648 also so strong than as the OM 606/613 engine? How about the rev of this engines, how much could it go?

Thank you, Greetings Michael

MB TECH
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08-17-2010, 05:12 PM #3
I love the 648 motor personally, even with just a chip it proves itself very strong and powerful. I can only imagine what kind of numbers this engine could put out with some serious investing. And I personally can vouch for the longevity of this motor.

1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

MB TECH
08-17-2010, 05:12 PM #3

I love the 648 motor personally, even with just a chip it proves itself very strong and powerful. I can only imagine what kind of numbers this engine could put out with some serious investing. And I personally can vouch for the longevity of this motor.


1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

ForcedInduction
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08-17-2010, 06:07 PM #4
I know one person that has pulled 227hp out of his C200 CDI using a GT3276V, large intercooler and AMG injectors. That means you should be able to pull at least 350hp, but those AMG injectors aren't anything resembling cheap.
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ForcedInduction
08-17-2010, 06:07 PM #4

I know one person that has pulled 227hp out of his C200 CDI using a GT3276V, large intercooler and AMG injectors. That means you should be able to pull at least 350hp, but those AMG injectors aren't anything resembling cheap.

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majesty78
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08-17-2010, 07:11 PM #5
Hy Michael, nice to meet you here on STD.com

If you find a competent injector guru, you may only have to change the nozzle tips of the injectors.

The ones from AMG CDI have the Number

ALLA156P1265+

The 197hp engine has

ALLA156P889

and the 204hp engine has

ALLA156P1107+

The ALLA stands for the nozzle type, 156 stands for the spray angle of 156 degrees, and the number after the "P" is the evolution history (nothing to do with the flow capability)

If you wait a little, I hope to get some high flow nozzles manufactured with even more flow capability than the AMG ones have.

Those will in any case be a lot cheaper than complete injectors.

You have a very good company for testing and calibration of Bosch injectors in Germany unless I dont know yet if they are able to do CR parts. I will ask them for that.

Regards, Alex
This post was last modified: 08-17-2010, 07:13 PM by majesty78.
majesty78
08-17-2010, 07:11 PM #5

Hy Michael, nice to meet you here on STD.com

If you find a competent injector guru, you may only have to change the nozzle tips of the injectors.

The ones from AMG CDI have the Number

ALLA156P1265+

The 197hp engine has

ALLA156P889

and the 204hp engine has

ALLA156P1107+

The ALLA stands for the nozzle type, 156 stands for the spray angle of 156 degrees, and the number after the "P" is the evolution history (nothing to do with the flow capability)

If you wait a little, I hope to get some high flow nozzles manufactured with even more flow capability than the AMG ones have.

Those will in any case be a lot cheaper than complete injectors.

You have a very good company for testing and calibration of Bosch injectors in Germany unless I dont know yet if they are able to do CR parts. I will ask them for that.

Regards, Alex

Michael2006
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08-18-2010, 02:54 AM #6
Ok thanks, that sounds better then i thougt first Smile What do you think about Water Methanol injection on this diesel engine. I also should go on a bigger exhaust,best without catalysator?
Michael2006
08-18-2010, 02:54 AM #6

Ok thanks, that sounds better then i thougt first Smile What do you think about Water Methanol injection on this diesel engine. I also should go on a bigger exhaust,best without catalysator?

tomnik
Holset

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08-18-2010, 05:59 AM #7
monitor EGTs! More fuel without changing the turbo will increase EGTs.
A less restrictive exhaust is always better. No sensors in the exhaust/cat/filter?

Tom


(08-18-2010, 02:54 AM)Michael2006 Ok thanks, that sounds better then i thougt first Smile What do you think about Water Methanol injection on this diesel engine. I also should go on a bigger exhaust,best without catalysator?
tomnik
08-18-2010, 05:59 AM #7

monitor EGTs! More fuel without changing the turbo will increase EGTs.
A less restrictive exhaust is always better. No sensors in the exhaust/cat/filter?

Tom


(08-18-2010, 02:54 AM)Michael2006 Ok thanks, that sounds better then i thougt first Smile What do you think about Water Methanol injection on this diesel engine. I also should go on a bigger exhaust,best without catalysator?

Michael2006
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08-18-2010, 07:56 AM #8
Have the OM 648 eingine, sensoric for egt from series?
Michael2006
08-18-2010, 07:56 AM #8

Have the OM 648 eingine, sensoric for egt from series?

tomnik
Holset

587
08-18-2010, 10:09 AM #9
(08-18-2010, 07:56 AM)Michael2006 Have the OM 648 eingine, sensoric for egt from series?

this was my question in the previous post. Maybe not EGTs but cat and/or filter sensors?
There are many sensors feeding the engine ECU. One signal out of range and the engine quits...

Tom
tomnik
08-18-2010, 10:09 AM #9

(08-18-2010, 07:56 AM)Michael2006 Have the OM 648 eingine, sensoric for egt from series?

this was my question in the previous post. Maybe not EGTs but cat and/or filter sensors?
There are many sensors feeding the engine ECU. One signal out of range and the engine quits...

Tom

Michael2006
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08-23-2010, 03:06 AM #10
I think when it becomes a new software for the engine, it could be so that it isn't a problem with catless..
Michael2006
08-23-2010, 03:06 AM #10

I think when it becomes a new software for the engine, it could be so that it isn't a problem with catless..

 
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