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How can I cheat and start the car?

How can I cheat and start the car?

 
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12-31-2010, 11:02 AM #1
I know this mechanical stuff is lots of fun but I'm loosing it.
The car simply won't start anymore. I replaced alternator, battery, terminals, alternator and power steering belts, oil and filter, fuel filters, air filter, glow plugs fuse,took out all 5 glow plugs tested them and vacuumed each hole, I even added diesel from a gas can to the tank. The old oil was very very thick. I am getting fuel to the filters because i took the big one out and it's full. I also tried the starting fluid on the air filter but some say is not a good ideea. It's like there's no spark but the engine is turning. Could it be bad glow plugs? I connected each one to booster cables and they turned red.
What would you do next?

1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust
EuroBenz
12-31-2010, 11:02 AM #1

I know this mechanical stuff is lots of fun but I'm loosing it.
The car simply won't start anymore. I replaced alternator, battery, terminals, alternator and power steering belts, oil and filter, fuel filters, air filter, glow plugs fuse,took out all 5 glow plugs tested them and vacuumed each hole, I even added diesel from a gas can to the tank. The old oil was very very thick. I am getting fuel to the filters because i took the big one out and it's full. I also tried the starting fluid on the air filter but some say is not a good ideea. It's like there's no spark but the engine is turning. Could it be bad glow plugs? I connected each one to booster cables and they turned red.
What would you do next?


1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
12-31-2010, 11:48 AM #2
prime the fuel system with the primer pump on the injection pump like a 100 times!

Then crank and crank and crank and then crank some more and give it a little throttle at first but (don't) give it any more throttle when it feels likes its starting to catch! until it is actually firing on all cylinders then rev it up!

don't stop cranking until it starts it may take awhile!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
12-31-2010, 11:48 AM #2

prime the fuel system with the primer pump on the injection pump like a 100 times!

Then crank and crank and crank and then crank some more and give it a little throttle at first but (don't) give it any more throttle when it feels likes its starting to catch! until it is actually firing on all cylinders then rev it up!

don't stop cranking until it starts it may take awhile!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

larsalan
Superturbo

1,272
12-31-2010, 04:16 PM #3
Also, maybe add a running vehicle attached by jumper cables if you're going to be cranking so much.

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larsalan
12-31-2010, 04:16 PM #3

Also, maybe add a running vehicle attached by jumper cables if you're going to be cranking so much.


Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'

EuroBenz
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12-31-2010, 06:39 PM #4
(12-31-2010, 11:48 AM)willbhere4u prime the fuel system with the primer pump on the injection pump like a 100 times!

Then crank and crank and crank and then crank some more and give it a little throttle at first but (don't) give it any more throttle when it feels likes its starting to catch! until it is actually firing on all cylinders then rev it up!

don't stop cranking until it starts it may take awhile!

This sounds good but I don't know what the primer pump looks like. I know where the IP is. How do I prime?
Also, when I put ignition on and wait for the glow plugs, the battery voltage drops from like 12.6 to 11.7,11.9. Normal?

1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust
EuroBenz
12-31-2010, 06:39 PM #4

(12-31-2010, 11:48 AM)willbhere4u prime the fuel system with the primer pump on the injection pump like a 100 times!

Then crank and crank and crank and then crank some more and give it a little throttle at first but (don't) give it any more throttle when it feels likes its starting to catch! until it is actually firing on all cylinders then rev it up!

don't stop cranking until it starts it may take awhile!

This sounds good but I don't know what the primer pump looks like. I know where the IP is. How do I prime?
Also, when I put ignition on and wait for the glow plugs, the battery voltage drops from like 12.6 to 11.7,11.9. Normal?


1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust

larsalan
Superturbo

1,272
12-31-2010, 08:16 PM #5
the pump is on the IP. Mine is black but I think some are red too. you just push it in.
here is a pic though it's kinda bad to see the pump
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/atta...hp?aid=677

it should be just to the right of that inline filter

I think "drdan" is using one in one of these videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQUrz_W6eo

Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
larsalan
12-31-2010, 08:16 PM #5

the pump is on the IP. Mine is black but I think some are red too. you just push it in.
here is a pic though it's kinda bad to see the pump
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/atta...hp?aid=677

it should be just to the right of that inline filter

I think "drdan" is using one in one of these videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQUrz_W6eo


Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
01-01-2011, 01:01 AM #6
There are a few different styles of primer pump all located in the same area!

If it's the knob style It's a big white knob on the LH side of the pump by the fuel lines it unscrews the knob and you pump it up and down and screw it back down when done!

If it's the black button style it located in the same spot and looks like the one in the video just push it down a few times!

as far as the voltage the glow plugs use a lot of power! sounds normal to me!
This post was last modified: 01-01-2011, 01:05 AM by willbhere4u.

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
01-01-2011, 01:01 AM #6

There are a few different styles of primer pump all located in the same area!

If it's the knob style It's a big white knob on the LH side of the pump by the fuel lines it unscrews the knob and you pump it up and down and screw it back down when done!

If it's the black button style it located in the same spot and looks like the one in the video just push it down a few times!

as far as the voltage the glow plugs use a lot of power! sounds normal to me!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

EuroBenz
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01-02-2011, 10:26 AM #7
I did find the primer knob, thank you, it has a white cap. I also found out that I might have air in fuel lines so I'm trying to take it out by loosing the nuts at the injectors and cranking the engine. So far only two lines spit out diesel after 4-5 tries (battery keeps dying so its constantly on the charger). I have to be patient now. Can I use the prime pump to do this? Instaed of cranking engine?

1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust
EuroBenz
01-02-2011, 10:26 AM #7

I did find the primer knob, thank you, it has a white cap. I also found out that I might have air in fuel lines so I'm trying to take it out by loosing the nuts at the injectors and cranking the engine. So far only two lines spit out diesel after 4-5 tries (battery keeps dying so its constantly on the charger). I have to be patient now. Can I use the prime pump to do this? Instaed of cranking engine?


1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust

Biohazard
Smokin like a champ!

376
01-02-2011, 03:43 PM #8
I don't believe so. You have to crank the engine to get the air out of the fuel lines. Loosen all the line nuts at the injectors about a half turn. When a line starts getting fuel out, go ahead and tighten that nut up again. Like said above, use either a battery charger or another vehicle to help keep the battery up. May be a good idea to let the starter rest for a bit between cranking to keep from overheating it.

82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.

84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine! 
Biohazard
01-02-2011, 03:43 PM #8

I don't believe so. You have to crank the engine to get the air out of the fuel lines. Loosen all the line nuts at the injectors about a half turn. When a line starts getting fuel out, go ahead and tighten that nut up again. Like said above, use either a battery charger or another vehicle to help keep the battery up. May be a good idea to let the starter rest for a bit between cranking to keep from overheating it.


82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.

84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine! 

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
01-03-2011, 10:44 AM #9
prime it with the pump it will get most of the air out that's what the lines between the injectors do!

I would pump the primer pump like 50 times it will get stiff when most of the air is out and will probably leak a little witch is normal it seals up when it's screwed closed!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
01-03-2011, 10:44 AM #9

prime it with the pump it will get most of the air out that's what the lines between the injectors do!

I would pump the primer pump like 50 times it will get stiff when most of the air is out and will probably leak a little witch is normal it seals up when it's screwed closed!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
01-04-2011, 01:05 PM #10
Worst case, you can always tow it.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
01-04-2011, 01:05 PM #10

Worst case, you can always tow it.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Captain America
Boostin' & Roostin'

2,221
01-04-2011, 05:16 PM #11
Tow start works nice! It's kinda scary, but it does the job just fine


1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

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Captain America
01-04-2011, 05:16 PM #11

Tow start works nice! It's kinda scary, but it does the job just fine



1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

EuroBenz
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16
01-05-2011, 12:05 PM #12
[/size]SUCCESS! After charging battery again at the local parts store, I was finally able to get the air out of all 5 lines going to the injectors. Now all I have to deal with is the rough start, but I think a valves adjustement will take care of some of that. Also, instead of just cleaning the glow plugs I might just do the paralel pencil type conversion. Is engine flush ok for diesels?
Thank you all for the replies.

1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust
EuroBenz
01-05-2011, 12:05 PM #12

[/size]SUCCESS! After charging battery again at the local parts store, I was finally able to get the air out of all 5 lines going to the injectors. Now all I have to deal with is the rough start, but I think a valves adjustement will take care of some of that. Also, instead of just cleaning the glow plugs I might just do the paralel pencil type conversion. Is engine flush ok for diesels?
Thank you all for the replies.


1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with a 1978 (I think) 300D engine
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD with 60K miles that came included with rust

 
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