STD Tuning Engine Compression Readings

Compression Readings

Compression Readings

 
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Greazzer
Superturbo

1,277
11-01-2011, 06:02 PM #1
Checking the compression on my tired OM617.952 and the results are as follows:

COLD: Cylinder 1 300 psi, Cylinder 2 300 psi, Cylinder 3 310 psi, Cylinder 4 280 psi, and Cylinder 5 260 psi. The latter 2 is explainable by the fact that I have a nice oil leak in my head gasket.

WARM (running temps) Cylinder 1 280 psi, 280 psi, and 260 psi. Did not check 4&5.

What's up with that. What is "good" compression? I've seen numbers as high as 440 as "good" on the various forums. The valves were adjusted in Spring 2011 and I have very limited blow-by. Does cold vs. warm have any impact ?

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Greazzer
11-01-2011, 06:02 PM #1

Checking the compression on my tired OM617.952 and the results are as follows:

COLD: Cylinder 1 300 psi, Cylinder 2 300 psi, Cylinder 3 310 psi, Cylinder 4 280 psi, and Cylinder 5 260 psi. The latter 2 is explainable by the fact that I have a nice oil leak in my head gasket.

WARM (running temps) Cylinder 1 280 psi, 280 psi, and 260 psi. Did not check 4&5.

What's up with that. What is "good" compression? I've seen numbers as high as 440 as "good" on the various forums. The valves were adjusted in Spring 2011 and I have very limited blow-by. Does cold vs. warm have any impact ?


Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020

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Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.

RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982.  Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...

Captain America
Boostin' & Roostin'

2,221
11-02-2011, 12:51 PM #2
I need to check mine! Mr. D*ckface (FI) posted his readings a few times... in his build threads


1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

Captain America
11-02-2011, 12:51 PM #2

I need to check mine! Mr. D*ckface (FI) posted his readings a few times... in his build threads



1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

Greazzer
Superturbo

1,277
11-02-2011, 01:30 PM #3
The FSM puts the readings at 22-24 Bar, so 22 - 24 x 14.503 = 319 psi - 348 psi. BUT, my readings went down from a cold engine to a warm engine. My temps never get to 80 C -- too good of a radiator now -- LOL. The FSM says 80 C and 8 revolutions to get the reading. I was wondering why it went down as the engine was warmed up -- about 50 C when I checked it. This is for the OM 617.9XX engine. The 4 cylinder version has much higher PSI.

Thanks,

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Greazzer
11-02-2011, 01:30 PM #3

The FSM puts the readings at 22-24 Bar, so 22 - 24 x 14.503 = 319 psi - 348 psi. BUT, my readings went down from a cold engine to a warm engine. My temps never get to 80 C -- too good of a radiator now -- LOL. The FSM says 80 C and 8 revolutions to get the reading. I was wondering why it went down as the engine was warmed up -- about 50 C when I checked it. This is for the OM 617.9XX engine. The 4 cylinder version has much higher PSI.

Thanks,


Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020

visit:  www.dieselfuelinjector.guru

Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.

RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982.  Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...

ronnie
GT2559V

179
11-03-2011, 05:37 PM #4
normally they should be more when warm, about 50 psi. I don't really have an answer. Mine range from 300-350psi measured cold. 616 engine.
ronnie
11-03-2011, 05:37 PM #4

normally they should be more when warm, about 50 psi. I don't really have an answer. Mine range from 300-350psi measured cold. 616 engine.

Volker407
naturally aspirated

157
11-05-2011, 02:13 AM #5
When my temperature never reached 80C (everything stock) the thermostat was broken.

Gruß
Volker
Volker407
11-05-2011, 02:13 AM #5

When my temperature never reached 80C (everything stock) the thermostat was broken.

Gruß
Volker

Greazzer
Superturbo

1,277
11-06-2011, 09:25 AM #6
After I replaced my radiator with a Be Cool 3" all aluminum radiator, my car never hits 80C again. One of the best modifications / upgrades I have done and under $200.00 All aluminum radiator is FAR BETTER than the OEM Behr.

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Greazzer
11-06-2011, 09:25 AM #6

After I replaced my radiator with a Be Cool 3" all aluminum radiator, my car never hits 80C again. One of the best modifications / upgrades I have done and under $200.00 All aluminum radiator is FAR BETTER than the OEM Behr.


Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020

visit:  www.dieselfuelinjector.guru

Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.

RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982.  Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...

plurkje
turbodiesel

33
11-08-2011, 03:48 PM #7
(11-06-2011, 09:25 AM)Greazzer After I replaced my radiator with a Be Cool 3" all aluminum radiator, my car never hits 80C again.

Even with a swimming pool of cooling fluid, your car should reach 80C in a short driving period. If not, then your thermostat is too weak to close as it should. Due to driving with low engine temperatures the engine loses it's compression much quicker.
The OEM radiator is very capable of cooling an OM617a, I admit; it is made of aluminium.
plurkje
11-08-2011, 03:48 PM #7

(11-06-2011, 09:25 AM)Greazzer After I replaced my radiator with a Be Cool 3" all aluminum radiator, my car never hits 80C again.

Even with a swimming pool of cooling fluid, your car should reach 80C in a short driving period. If not, then your thermostat is too weak to close as it should. Due to driving with low engine temperatures the engine loses it's compression much quicker.
The OEM radiator is very capable of cooling an OM617a, I admit; it is made of aluminium.

Greazzer
Superturbo

1,277
11-08-2011, 04:07 PM #8
I had a BEHR which was OEM and the top and bottom were not aluminum. Some sort of plastic. With my former BEHR my car hit 90+ C all the time, every day, especially in the summer. With an ALL Aluminum 3" radiator, which is x2 the thickness of the OEM, my car NEVER hit 80C. So, same exact situation in all regards except different radiator and my car does not reach 80C. With the OEM, well over 90+, so I cannot see how the thermostat would be "working" with a BEHR radiator and somehow it knows not to work with a 3" aluminum radiator. However, that is not the purpose of my thread.

I wanted to know why the compression readings went DOWN when the engine warmed up, although it did not hit 80C per the FSM. Any ideas ?

Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020

visit:  www.dieselfuelinjector.guru

Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.

RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982.  Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
Greazzer
11-08-2011, 04:07 PM #8

I had a BEHR which was OEM and the top and bottom were not aluminum. Some sort of plastic. With my former BEHR my car hit 90+ C all the time, every day, especially in the summer. With an ALL Aluminum 3" radiator, which is x2 the thickness of the OEM, my car NEVER hit 80C. So, same exact situation in all regards except different radiator and my car does not reach 80C. With the OEM, well over 90+, so I cannot see how the thermostat would be "working" with a BEHR radiator and somehow it knows not to work with a 3" aluminum radiator. However, that is not the purpose of my thread.

I wanted to know why the compression readings went DOWN when the engine warmed up, although it did not hit 80C per the FSM. Any ideas ?


Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020

visit:  www.dieselfuelinjector.guru

Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.

RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982.  Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...

DeliveryValve
Superturbo

1,338
11-08-2011, 04:55 PM #9
I agree you should be getting about 50 psi greater when warm than cold.

Are you using a Harbor Freight compression tester?



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DeliveryValve
11-08-2011, 04:55 PM #9

I agree you should be getting about 50 psi greater when warm than cold.

Are you using a Harbor Freight compression tester?



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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



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Greazzer
Superturbo

1,277
11-09-2011, 05:54 AM #10
Of course I am using a Harbor Freight junk line tool. LOL ..... do you think that could be it ?

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Greazzer
11-09-2011, 05:54 AM #10

Of course I am using a Harbor Freight junk line tool. LOL ..... do you think that could be it ?


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iheartboost
Holset

422
11-09-2011, 08:50 AM #11
The harbor freight tester has been shown to not be the most reliable thing.

1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
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iheartboost
11-09-2011, 08:50 AM #11

The harbor freight tester has been shown to not be the most reliable thing.


1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car

DeliveryValve
Superturbo

1,338
11-11-2011, 06:52 PM #12
(11-09-2011, 05:54 AM)Greazzer Of course I am using a Harbor Freight junk line tool. LOL ..... do you think that could be it ?

Yes I think it is. I have found they are reliable on one Round of use, then you throw it away. Confused



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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



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DeliveryValve
11-11-2011, 06:52 PM #12

(11-09-2011, 05:54 AM)Greazzer Of course I am using a Harbor Freight junk line tool. LOL ..... do you think that could be it ?

Yes I think it is. I have found they are reliable on one Round of use, then you throw it away. Confused



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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



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