STD Tuning Engine OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR

OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR

OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR

 
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diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
12-27-2011, 08:15 AM #1
look what I got in the mail

[Image: 2260_2.JPG]
[Image: 2260_1.JPG]

now let's see what DPF removal, EGR blocking, GTB2260VKLR & a tuner with experience will get out off this diesel...

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
12-27-2011, 08:15 AM #1

look what I got in the mail

[Image: 2260_2.JPG]
[Image: 2260_1.JPG]

now let's see what DPF removal, EGR blocking, GTB2260VKLR & a tuner with experience will get out off this diesel...


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

majesty78
GT2559V

226
12-27-2011, 10:29 AM #2
This is possibly one of the best small frame vnt turbos currently available! And the only ballbearing vnt at the moment....

Have fun with it, and please take some pictures without the caps ;-)

Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin
majesty78
12-27-2011, 10:29 AM #2

This is possibly one of the best small frame vnt turbos currently available! And the only ballbearing vnt at the moment....

Have fun with it, and please take some pictures without the caps ;-)


Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin

Rub87
Naturally-aspirated

21
02-06-2012, 05:44 AM #3
So.. maybe we should open a new topic:

OM642 + Alternative Fuels: HCCI Combustion
Rub87
02-06-2012, 05:44 AM #3

So.. maybe we should open a new topic:

OM642 + Alternative Fuels: HCCI Combustion

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
02-06-2012, 01:39 PM #4
(02-06-2012, 05:44 AM)Rub87 So.. maybe we should open a new topic:

OM642 + Alternative Fuels: HCCI Combustion

Don't you dare Smile


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
02-06-2012, 01:39 PM #4

(02-06-2012, 05:44 AM)Rub87 So.. maybe we should open a new topic:

OM642 + Alternative Fuels: HCCI Combustion

Don't you dare Smile


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Rub87
Naturally-aspirated

21
02-06-2012, 02:34 PM #5
It's magic Tongue
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Rub87
02-06-2012, 02:34 PM #5

It's magic Tongue

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diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
02-06-2012, 05:08 PM #6
(02-06-2012, 02:34 PM)Rub87 It's magic Tongue

Brake cleaner 1
OM 642 0

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
02-06-2012, 05:08 PM #6

(02-06-2012, 02:34 PM)Rub87 It's magic Tongue

Brake cleaner 1
OM 642 0


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

nilsson
Naturally-aspirated

4
02-07-2012, 02:38 AM #7
Which car did that charger come from? Inducer diameter?
//Nilsson
This post was last modified: 02-07-2012, 02:39 AM by nilsson.
nilsson
02-07-2012, 02:38 AM #7

Which car did that charger come from? Inducer diameter?
//Nilsson

Rub87
Naturally-aspirated

21
02-07-2012, 02:41 AM #8
Inducer is same like other gtb2260vk, 44.5mm IIRC, comes from OM642LS, around 190kW stock
Rub87
02-07-2012, 02:41 AM #8

Inducer is same like other gtb2260vk, 44.5mm IIRC, comes from OM642LS, around 190kW stock

majesty78
GT2559V

226
02-07-2012, 02:48 AM #9
Correct.

Turbo is from latest 350CDI Bluetec engine with 265hp.

Regards, Alex

Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin
majesty78
02-07-2012, 02:48 AM #9

Correct.

Turbo is from latest 350CDI Bluetec engine with 265hp.

Regards, Alex


Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin

parkles
Unregistered

 
02-11-2012, 10:13 AM #10
(02-07-2012, 02:48 AM)majesty78 Correct.

Turbo is from latest 350CDI Bluetec engine with 265hp.

Regards, Alex

If you don't mind, where did you source this from i'm after one for a project on 1.9 GM cdti engine

thanks
parkles
02-11-2012, 10:13 AM #10

(02-07-2012, 02:48 AM)majesty78 Correct.

Turbo is from latest 350CDI Bluetec engine with 265hp.

Regards, Alex

If you don't mind, where did you source this from i'm after one for a project on 1.9 GM cdti engine

thanks

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
02-18-2012, 01:06 PM #11
It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]

This post was last modified: 02-18-2012, 01:09 PM by diesel2fast4u.

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
02-18-2012, 01:06 PM #11

It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
10-30-2012, 04:21 PM #12
Hi, so I finaly found a place where we can dyno without having any work done to the car.

It was not us but an employee from the place who was doing the pulls.

Out of 8 - 9 pulls we only had 4 good ones.

ESP was fully switched off.

First & 2nd pull, my tune wich I drive now for 30.000 km

Only in the first pull he could give full throttle without downshifting.
The computerscreen was calibrated till 210KW and it flat spotted from 3200 to 4200 rpm, so this would have been the best pull but I don't have a print out.

2nd pull was 205KW/3473RPM & 670NM/2541RPM (second page highest line)

Just a little haze out of the exhaust

Now we loaded standard map, no DPF, no cat (First page)
3th pull was 163KW/3811RPM & 429NM/2919RPM

Now I thought let's make a dyno queen so we added 10% more fuel

4th pull was 200KW/3568RPM & 665NM/2486RPM

Lots of smoke

This is where I was shure that the guy behind the wheel wasn't pushing full throttle.

Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?
Attached Files
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Doc - 30-okt.-2012 20-36.pdf
Size: 479.41 KB / Downloads: 1,663

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
10-30-2012, 04:21 PM #12

Hi, so I finaly found a place where we can dyno without having any work done to the car.

It was not us but an employee from the place who was doing the pulls.

Out of 8 - 9 pulls we only had 4 good ones.

ESP was fully switched off.

First & 2nd pull, my tune wich I drive now for 30.000 km

Only in the first pull he could give full throttle without downshifting.
The computerscreen was calibrated till 210KW and it flat spotted from 3200 to 4200 rpm, so this would have been the best pull but I don't have a print out.

2nd pull was 205KW/3473RPM & 670NM/2541RPM (second page highest line)

Just a little haze out of the exhaust

Now we loaded standard map, no DPF, no cat (First page)
3th pull was 163KW/3811RPM & 429NM/2919RPM

Now I thought let's make a dyno queen so we added 10% more fuel

4th pull was 200KW/3568RPM & 665NM/2486RPM

Lots of smoke

This is where I was shure that the guy behind the wheel wasn't pushing full throttle.

Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

Attached Files
.pdf
Doc - 30-okt.-2012 20-36.pdf
Size: 479.41 KB / Downloads: 1,663

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Turbo
Holset

489
10-31-2012, 01:34 PM #13
How do the boost level look like?
Turbo
10-31-2012, 01:34 PM #13

How do the boost level look like?

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
10-31-2012, 06:52 PM #14
(10-31-2012, 01:34 PM)Turbo How do the boost level look like?

1.6 bar only, we need a 4 bar map sensor and find the calibration in the ECU to achieve higher boost levels.

You can see in the original map, the dip in the dyno sheet is because the turbo spools faster then stock, it hits the boost limit & cuts down, then picks up again...

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
10-31-2012, 06:52 PM #14

(10-31-2012, 01:34 PM)Turbo How do the boost level look like?

1.6 bar only, we need a 4 bar map sensor and find the calibration in the ECU to achieve higher boost levels.

You can see in the original map, the dip in the dyno sheet is because the turbo spools faster then stock, it hits the boost limit & cuts down, then picks up again...


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Austincarnut
Holset

298
10-31-2012, 08:26 PM #15
I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

(10-31-2012, 06:52 PM)diesel2fast4u
(10-31-2012, 01:34 PM)Turbo How do the boost level look like?

1.6 bar only, we need a 4 bar map sensor and find the calibration in the ECU to achieve higher boost levels.

You can see in the original map, the dip in the dyno sheet is because the turbo spools faster then stock, it hits the boost limit & cuts down, then picks up again...
Austincarnut
10-31-2012, 08:26 PM #15

I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

(10-31-2012, 06:52 PM)diesel2fast4u
(10-31-2012, 01:34 PM)Turbo How do the boost level look like?

1.6 bar only, we need a 4 bar map sensor and find the calibration in the ECU to achieve higher boost levels.

You can see in the original map, the dip in the dyno sheet is because the turbo spools faster then stock, it hits the boost limit & cuts down, then picks up again...

majesty78
GT2559V

226
11-01-2012, 04:48 AM #16
Also make sure to correct the open and closed loop boost mappings for achieving good boost control ;-)

Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin
majesty78
11-01-2012, 04:48 AM #16

Also make sure to correct the open and closed loop boost mappings for achieving good boost control ;-)


Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin

Turbo
Holset

489
11-01-2012, 03:38 PM #17
austincarnut I would be very interested of the turbo, please pm me if you still is interested in selling it

[quote='Austincarnut' pid='45537' dateline='1351733168']
I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

diesel2fast4u do you have how the boost as function of rev is responding?
This post was last modified: 11-01-2012, 03:44 PM by Turbo.
Turbo
11-01-2012, 03:38 PM #17

austincarnut I would be very interested of the turbo, please pm me if you still is interested in selling it

[quote='Austincarnut' pid='45537' dateline='1351733168']
I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.


diesel2fast4u do you have how the boost as function of rev is responding?

gaiex
K26-2

33
11-28-2012, 07:42 PM #18
If possible and for a good information on this thread, and if anyone knows it, the teorical/real maximum values for:

-Injectors mm^3/hp
-mass air flow rate lb/min
-cylinder heads cfm's
-turbo boost BAR
etc...

I will do some measurements on air flow and injection soon and will post my results. If you have any please post. Wink
gaiex
11-28-2012, 07:42 PM #18

If possible and for a good information on this thread, and if anyone knows it, the teorical/real maximum values for:

-Injectors mm^3/hp
-mass air flow rate lb/min
-cylinder heads cfm's
-turbo boost BAR
etc...

I will do some measurements on air flow and injection soon and will post my results. If you have any please post. Wink

jaro4444
Unregistered

 
01-16-2013, 02:58 PM #19
(02-18-2012, 01:06 PM)diesel2fast4u It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]

Hi guys!
I have a question about mounting GTB2260VKLR on the motor OM642.920.
I know that the flanges are identical as GT2056V. I know about part number A6420961145 - turbo mount, gasket A 6421420681 and A6421420981. I know how make water output from the turbo.
My question is how make the water inlet to the turbo? Just drill a hole as shown gasket A 6421420681 in motor block?
Thanks for your help
jaro4444
01-16-2013, 02:58 PM #19

(02-18-2012, 01:06 PM)diesel2fast4u It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]

Hi guys!
I have a question about mounting GTB2260VKLR on the motor OM642.920.
I know that the flanges are identical as GT2056V. I know about part number A6420961145 - turbo mount, gasket A 6421420681 and A6421420981. I know how make water output from the turbo.
My question is how make the water inlet to the turbo? Just drill a hole as shown gasket A 6421420681 in motor block?
Thanks for your help

Alastair E
Moderator?--Nah...

266
01-16-2013, 04:15 PM #20
(10-31-2012, 08:26 PM)Austincarnut I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

Yup--Its the DPF situation that causes most of the incompatability issues with BioDiesel....

Its pretty nice then that the OM.642 imported to the UK market--Doesnt Have that Nasty Device fitted, as far as I'm aware!

Here in the UK, DPF's cause more trouble than anything else on diesel-vehicles! 'Orrible bloody things! There's loads of Co's doing DPF deletes here!

[Image: 300TDnoplate.jpg]
Alastair E
01-16-2013, 04:15 PM #20

(10-31-2012, 08:26 PM)Austincarnut I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

Yup--Its the DPF situation that causes most of the incompatability issues with BioDiesel....

Its pretty nice then that the OM.642 imported to the UK market--Doesnt Have that Nasty Device fitted, as far as I'm aware!

Here in the UK, DPF's cause more trouble than anything else on diesel-vehicles! 'Orrible bloody things! There's loads of Co's doing DPF deletes here!


[Image: 300TDnoplate.jpg]

majesty78
GT2559V

226
01-17-2013, 12:37 AM #21
(10-30-2012, 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.

Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin
majesty78
01-17-2013, 12:37 AM #21

(10-30-2012, 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.


Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin

bqik
Unregistered

 
01-28-2013, 08:09 AM #22
(01-17-2013, 12:37 AM)majesty78
(10-30-2012, 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.

yes, there is a "secret menu" and there you will find a dyno mode submenu.

regards
bqik
01-28-2013, 08:09 AM #22

(01-17-2013, 12:37 AM)majesty78
(10-30-2012, 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.

yes, there is a "secret menu" and there you will find a dyno mode submenu.

regards

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
09-24-2013, 07:53 AM #23
(01-28-2013, 08:09 AM)bqik
(01-17-2013, 12:37 AM)majesty78
(10-30-2012, 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.

yes, there is a "secret menu" and there you will find a dyno mode submenu.

regards

It's in a jeep grand cherokee

(01-16-2013, 02:58 PM)jaro4444
(02-18-2012, 01:06 PM)diesel2fast4u It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]

Hi guys!
I have a question about mounting GTB2260VKLR on the motor OM642.920.
I know that the flanges are identical as GT2056V. I know about part number A6420961145 - turbo mount, gasket A 6421420681 and A6421420981. I know how make water output from the turbo.
My question is how make the water inlet to the turbo? Just drill a hole as shown gasket A 6421420681 in motor block?
Thanks for your help

just take water before and after the radiator or do like I did, tapped the block and out into the reservoir
This post was last modified: 09-24-2013, 07:55 AM by diesel2fast4u.

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
09-24-2013, 07:53 AM #23

(01-28-2013, 08:09 AM)bqik
(01-17-2013, 12:37 AM)majesty78
(10-30-2012, 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.

yes, there is a "secret menu" and there you will find a dyno mode submenu.

regards

It's in a jeep grand cherokee

(01-16-2013, 02:58 PM)jaro4444
(02-18-2012, 01:06 PM)diesel2fast4u It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]

Hi guys!
I have a question about mounting GTB2260VKLR on the motor OM642.920.
I know that the flanges are identical as GT2056V. I know about part number A6420961145 - turbo mount, gasket A 6421420681 and A6421420981. I know how make water output from the turbo.
My question is how make the water inlet to the turbo? Just drill a hole as shown gasket A 6421420681 in motor block?
Thanks for your help

just take water before and after the radiator or do like I did, tapped the block and out into the reservoir


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-07-2017, 06:33 AM #24
After I broke 400Hp and 900nm on my audi 3.0tdi I am picking up this project again.

Could anyone help me with:
- DAMOS file EDC16 OM642
- 4 bar Map (PNP if possible)
- 2000+ bar rail pressure sender

thanks

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-07-2017, 06:33 AM #24

After I broke 400Hp and 900nm on my audi 3.0tdi I am picking up this project again.

Could anyone help me with:
- DAMOS file EDC16 OM642
- 4 bar Map (PNP if possible)
- 2000+ bar rail pressure sender

thanks


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

starynovy
Holset

338
04-07-2017, 08:23 AM #25
You will find this 400kPa MAP on OM651, costs 20€ brand new BOSCH.

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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
starynovy
04-07-2017, 08:23 AM #25

You will find this 400kPa MAP on OM651, costs 20€ brand new BOSCH.


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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW

Austincarnut
Holset

298
04-08-2017, 03:29 PM #26
(12-27-2011, 08:15 AM)diesel2fast4u look what I got in the mail

[Image: 2260_2.JPG]
[Image: 2260_1.JPG]

now let's see what DPF removal, EGR blocking, GTB2260VKLR & a tuner with experience will get out off this diesel...

Do you guys see any aftermarket parts for main and rod bearings available in europe after machine work?  We can't get anything from what I've seen
Austincarnut
04-08-2017, 03:29 PM #26

(12-27-2011, 08:15 AM)diesel2fast4u look what I got in the mail

[Image: 2260_2.JPG]
[Image: 2260_1.JPG]

now let's see what DPF removal, EGR blocking, GTB2260VKLR & a tuner with experience will get out off this diesel...

Do you guys see any aftermarket parts for main and rod bearings available in europe after machine work?  We can't get anything from what I've seen

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-08-2017, 08:34 PM #27
I can check for you, what do you need exactly?

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-08-2017, 08:34 PM #27

I can check for you, what do you need exactly?


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-08-2017, 08:35 PM #28
(04-07-2017, 08:23 AM)starynovy You will find this 400kPa MAP on OM651, costs 20€ brand new BOSCH.

thanks!!

Rail pressure sender pnp ? Smile

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-08-2017, 08:35 PM #28

(04-07-2017, 08:23 AM)starynovy You will find this 400kPa MAP on OM651, costs 20€ brand new BOSCH.

thanks!!

Rail pressure sender pnp ? Smile


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

WSchotty
K26-2

42
04-16-2017, 10:22 AM #29
The part number for that 4 bar sensor is 0101537228.

The OM642LS rail pressure is higher on these by default, but only by 200 bar. The om651 uses 2000 bar, check this out:

http://ae-plus.com/features/mercedes-ben...sel/page:3

I haven't tried swapping the om651 sensor to the om642, not sure of the correct part number or if the threads are the same. Here are the om651 rail and sensor numbers I could find:
Fuel rail number:     A6510700495
Sensor number:     9307Z521A or 55PP22-01

The original CP3 on my wk has started to make some noise (A6420700301), I just ordered a pump for the LS engine (A6420701201). Will find out soon if it is plug and play. Over time I will slowly upgrade the whole fuel system to the later type. I also have a GTB2060V (same compressor as 2260, slightly larger exhaust turbine) from a w222 and a new pedestal that I am going to swap in using your above method when I do the oil cooler seals and EGR delete. Thank you for the inspiration! Looking forward to your next maps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHexdNW_N0Y
WSchotty
04-16-2017, 10:22 AM #29

The part number for that 4 bar sensor is 0101537228.

The OM642LS rail pressure is higher on these by default, but only by 200 bar. The om651 uses 2000 bar, check this out:

http://ae-plus.com/features/mercedes-ben...sel/page:3

I haven't tried swapping the om651 sensor to the om642, not sure of the correct part number or if the threads are the same. Here are the om651 rail and sensor numbers I could find:
Fuel rail number:     A6510700495
Sensor number:     9307Z521A or 55PP22-01

The original CP3 on my wk has started to make some noise (A6420700301), I just ordered a pump for the LS engine (A6420701201). Will find out soon if it is plug and play. Over time I will slowly upgrade the whole fuel system to the later type. I also have a GTB2060V (same compressor as 2260, slightly larger exhaust turbine) from a w222 and a new pedestal that I am going to swap in using your above method when I do the oil cooler seals and EGR delete. Thank you for the inspiration! Looking forward to your next maps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHexdNW_N0Y

Austincarnut
Holset

298
04-16-2017, 10:26 AM #30
(04-08-2017, 08:34 PM)diesel2fast4u I can check for you, what do you need exactly?

In general, We see 642's come in seized at the mains at 100K miles.  They don't seem to hold up well after an oil cooler but we've had more than a few that have seized with all maintenances done and no repairs to the engine.  I have a 2008 164 with one that I wish I could swap out with a 606.  I guess we'd like to know if anyone was supplying oversized mains, rod bearings.  Its crap that rods have to be replaced if loosened...
Austincarnut
04-16-2017, 10:26 AM #30

(04-08-2017, 08:34 PM)diesel2fast4u I can check for you, what do you need exactly?

In general, We see 642's come in seized at the mains at 100K miles.  They don't seem to hold up well after an oil cooler but we've had more than a few that have seized with all maintenances done and no repairs to the engine.  I have a 2008 164 with one that I wish I could swap out with a 606.  I guess we'd like to know if anyone was supplying oversized mains, rod bearings.  Its crap that rods have to be replaced if loosened...

Turbo
Holset

489
04-17-2017, 09:10 AM #31
(04-16-2017, 10:22 AM)WSchotty I also have a GTB2060V (same compressor as 2260, slightly larger exhaust turbine)
I suppose you mean smaller Wink
Turbo
04-17-2017, 09:10 AM #31

(04-16-2017, 10:22 AM)WSchotty I also have a GTB2060V (same compressor as 2260, slightly larger exhaust turbine)
I suppose you mean smaller Wink

WSchotty
K26-2

42
04-17-2017, 10:30 AM #32
(04-17-2017, 09:10 AM)Turbo
(04-16-2017, 10:22 AM)WSchotty I also have a GTB2060V (same compressor as 2260, slightly larger exhaust turbine)
I suppose you mean smaller Wink

That is right, not sure what I was thinking about there. Here are the sizes for each for future reference:

comparison between GTB2260VKLR and GTB2060VKLR:

stock power: ______265hp __________240/258hp

compressor (mm): _ 44,5/60 ________ 44,5/60

turbine (mm): _____ 50/46 _________ 47/44

turbine tip high: ____ca.8,5mm ______ca.8,5mm

VNT nozzle high: ___ 8,5mm ________ 7,5mm
WSchotty
04-17-2017, 10:30 AM #32

(04-17-2017, 09:10 AM)Turbo
(04-16-2017, 10:22 AM)WSchotty I also have a GTB2060V (same compressor as 2260, slightly larger exhaust turbine)
I suppose you mean smaller Wink

That is right, not sure what I was thinking about there. Here are the sizes for each for future reference:

comparison between GTB2260VKLR and GTB2060VKLR:

stock power: ______265hp __________240/258hp

compressor (mm): _ 44,5/60 ________ 44,5/60

turbine (mm): _____ 50/46 _________ 47/44

turbine tip high: ____ca.8,5mm ______ca.8,5mm

VNT nozzle high: ___ 8,5mm ________ 7,5mm

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
04-17-2017, 03:04 PM #33
Sorry to interrupt, are those the ones with ball bearings?

FD,
Powered by tractor fuel
barrote
04-17-2017, 03:04 PM #33

Sorry to interrupt, are those the ones with ball bearings?


FD,
Powered by tractor fuel

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
04-17-2017, 03:05 PM #34
How many blades have the turbines?

FD,
Powered by tractor fuel
barrote
04-17-2017, 03:05 PM #34

How many blades have the turbines?


FD,
Powered by tractor fuel

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-17-2017, 03:10 PM #35
yes ceramic ball bearing

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-17-2017, 03:10 PM #35

yes ceramic ball bearing


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Turbo
Holset

489
04-22-2017, 01:16 AM #36
(04-17-2017, 03:05 PM)barrote How many blades have the turbines?

9 on gtb2260vklr
Turbo
04-22-2017, 01:16 AM #36

(04-17-2017, 03:05 PM)barrote How many blades have the turbines?

9 on gtb2260vklr

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-22-2017, 02:18 PM #37
(04-16-2017, 10:26 AM)Austincarnut
(04-08-2017, 08:34 PM)diesel2fast4u I can check for you, what do you need exactly?

In general, We see 642's come in seized at the mains at 100K miles.  They don't seem to hold up well after an oil cooler but we've had more than a few that have seized with all maintenances done and no repairs to the engine.  I have a 2008 164 with one that I wish I could swap out with a 606.  I guess we'd like to know if anyone was supplying oversized mains, rod bearings.  Its crap that rods have to be replaced if loosened...

We see a lot of high mileage engines here and not so many reports of problems

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-22-2017, 02:18 PM #37

(04-16-2017, 10:26 AM)Austincarnut
(04-08-2017, 08:34 PM)diesel2fast4u I can check for you, what do you need exactly?

In general, We see 642's come in seized at the mains at 100K miles.  They don't seem to hold up well after an oil cooler but we've had more than a few that have seized with all maintenances done and no repairs to the engine.  I have a 2008 164 with one that I wish I could swap out with a 606.  I guess we'd like to know if anyone was supplying oversized mains, rod bearings.  Its crap that rods have to be replaced if loosened...

We see a lot of high mileage engines here and not so many reports of problems


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Turbo
Holset

489
04-22-2017, 02:52 PM #38
why not go up in viscosity grade on motor oil for better protection then?
Turbo
04-22-2017, 02:52 PM #38

why not go up in viscosity grade on motor oil for better protection then?

Turbo
Holset

489
04-22-2017, 02:52 PM #39
diesel2fast4u, how did it go with the boat engine with double GTB2056vl turbos?
Turbo
04-22-2017, 02:52 PM #39

diesel2fast4u, how did it go with the boat engine with double GTB2056vl turbos?

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-24-2017, 02:22 AM #40
I took the dust of the project this weekend. I moved the whole company and that was a priority Smile

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-24-2017, 02:22 AM #40

I took the dust of the project this weekend. I moved the whole company and that was a priority Smile


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Turbo
Holset

489
04-27-2017, 12:57 PM #41
Why has it been standing so long?
Turbo
04-27-2017, 12:57 PM #41

Why has it been standing so long?

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-29-2017, 04:42 PM #42
business wise to busy.
I have a company that I moved to a new place.

And I was busy with my daily audi 3.0 tdi

[Image: CLMa92KLs3RDB3zQiXXv6gSxxhROq11GCUKtqOQ3...90-h666-no]
This post was last modified: 04-29-2017, 04:43 PM by diesel2fast4u.

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-29-2017, 04:42 PM #42

business wise to busy.
I have a company that I moved to a new place.

And I was busy with my daily audi 3.0 tdi

[Image: CLMa92KLs3RDB3zQiXXv6gSxxhROq11GCUKtqOQ3...90-h666-no]


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Turbo
Holset

489
04-29-2017, 04:47 PM #43
may I ask what you did with the turbos?
Turbo
04-29-2017, 04:47 PM #43

may I ask what you did with the turbos?

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
04-30-2017, 10:28 PM #44
I still have them why?

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
04-30-2017, 10:28 PM #44

I still have them why?


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Turbo
Holset

489
04-30-2017, 11:30 PM #45
I was thinking of what you did to the turbo to get 400 on your daily audi 3.0 tdi or you just turn them up?
Turbo
04-30-2017, 11:30 PM #45

I was thinking of what you did to the turbo to get 400 on your daily audi 3.0 tdi or you just turn them up?

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
05-01-2017, 05:32 PM #46
(04-30-2017, 11:30 PM)Turbo I was thinking of what you did to the turbo to get 400 on your daily audi 3.0 tdi or you just turn them up?

hybrid ball bearing turbo 51/49,  its a really light and efficient 9 blade design with small 'heart' looks like stock under the bonnet
This post was last modified: 05-01-2017, 05:33 PM by diesel2fast4u.

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
05-01-2017, 05:32 PM #46

(04-30-2017, 11:30 PM)Turbo I was thinking of what you did to the turbo to get 400 on your daily audi 3.0 tdi or you just turn them up?

hybrid ball bearing turbo 51/49,  its a really light and efficient 9 blade design with small 'heart' looks like stock under the bonnet


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Turbo
Holset

489
05-02-2017, 11:52 AM #47
ok, you must be rarfshore on tdiclub.com I guess then Wink
Turbo
05-02-2017, 11:52 AM #47

ok, you must be rarfshore on tdiclub.com I guess then Wink

Josht
Naturally-aspirated

2
06-11-2017, 11:00 AM #48
Anymore progress on this build?
Josht
06-11-2017, 11:00 AM #48

Anymore progress on this build?

diesel2fast4u
GT2256V

107
06-12-2017, 07:05 PM #49
(06-11-2017, 11:00 AM)Josht Anymore progress on this build?

yeah I received my new hybrid, will mount soon

Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
06-12-2017, 07:05 PM #49

(06-11-2017, 11:00 AM)Josht Anymore progress on this build?

yeah I received my new hybrid, will mount soon


Grand cherokee WK (OM642)

Josht
Naturally-aspirated

2
09-04-2017, 05:26 PM #50
Any update
Josht
09-04-2017, 05:26 PM #50

Any update

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