STD Tuning Body Mods anyone ever adapt 4lug to 5lug? adapters available?

anyone ever adapt 4lug to 5lug? adapters available?

anyone ever adapt 4lug to 5lug? adapters available?

 
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JB3
Superturbo

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06-01-2012, 05:48 PM #1
heres why, im sitting on this set of perfectly usable VW 15" rims that are 4 lug, but are very close to what a nice set of AMG ronals would have looked like.

I wonder if there is an adapter to take the 4x108 pattern of the tires and make them fit on a MB

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1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
06-01-2012, 05:48 PM #1

heres why, im sitting on this set of perfectly usable VW 15" rims that are 4 lug, but are very close to what a nice set of AMG ronals would have looked like.

I wonder if there is an adapter to take the 4x108 pattern of the tires and make them fit on a MB

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[Image: 008.jpg]


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

Kozuka
I'm_Badass

334
06-01-2012, 06:46 PM #2
Well, VW guys just swap to audi hubs so they don't make adapters, and they probably wouldn't be safe. Plus isn't the offset on those way too high? Need to find something in 5x112 with a low (sub et30) offset or your going to need spacers.

1983 300TD : 4 Speed : SLS Delete : More. Daily Deathcab
1987 190E/16v/OM603 : 5 Speed : SLS Delete : Lots More..W201 Project
Kozuka
06-01-2012, 06:46 PM #2

Well, VW guys just swap to audi hubs so they don't make adapters, and they probably wouldn't be safe. Plus isn't the offset on those way too high? Need to find something in 5x112 with a low (sub et30) offset or your going to need spacers.


1983 300TD : 4 Speed : SLS Delete : More. Daily Deathcab
1987 190E/16v/OM603 : 5 Speed : SLS Delete : Lots More..W201 Project

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
06-01-2012, 07:41 PM #3
I have seen some spacers that change the bolt/lug pattern at the same time, I don't see why you couldn't find one to go from 5 lug to 4, just might take a bit of searching around online

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
06-01-2012, 07:41 PM #3

I have seen some spacers that change the bolt/lug pattern at the same time, I don't see why you couldn't find one to go from 5 lug to 4, just might take a bit of searching around online


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

dieselboy
Rotatin 5500 times a minute

680
06-02-2012, 12:28 AM #4
I've seen 4-5 lug but never a 5-4 lug spacer/ adapter. As for safety... Ive had 2" spacers on my 8,000+ lb truck that gets beat on like it stole something from me. That and I have 42?mm spacers on my Volvo. I've never had a problem with either one.

-Jesse

80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon

10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
dieselboy
06-02-2012, 12:28 AM #4

I've seen 4-5 lug but never a 5-4 lug spacer/ adapter. As for safety... Ive had 2" spacers on my 8,000+ lb truck that gets beat on like it stole something from me. That and I have 42?mm spacers on my Volvo. I've never had a problem with either one.


-Jesse

80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon

10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.

JB3
Superturbo

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06-02-2012, 03:32 AM #5
I was doing research, looks like I can have this company adapterkings.com make them. The stock mb pattern is 5x112 right? The option to go from 5x112 to 4x108 exists on their adapter drop down menu. Looks like it would either cost me 220 bucks, or 440. I need to call and clarify how the pricing works, and if it could be done. Looks like the minimal depth of the adapter they could make would be about 1.25 inches thick, going from wheel bolts to 4 studs, so that might take care of the offset too, all knocked on the head at once

Would be nice to use those rims above, they are powdercoated too. I definitely need to figure out the offset too, id be mounting these to my 115 chassis. 220 bucks might be doable for an AMG look. I don't have centercaps, so potentially I could make something that would benzify these rims


EDIT: 440 bucks. It would be using what would start out as a VW/porshce 5lug to 4lug adapter that is partially custom in hub sizes. Hmmm, ill figure out how thick it would have to be, and then think about it. On one hand, that's not cheap, on the other, I already have a very nice set of balanced and mounted rims that would pass for ronals with the right centercaps
This post was last modified: 06-02-2012, 04:08 AM by JB3.

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
06-02-2012, 03:32 AM #5

I was doing research, looks like I can have this company adapterkings.com make them. The stock mb pattern is 5x112 right? The option to go from 5x112 to 4x108 exists on their adapter drop down menu. Looks like it would either cost me 220 bucks, or 440. I need to call and clarify how the pricing works, and if it could be done. Looks like the minimal depth of the adapter they could make would be about 1.25 inches thick, going from wheel bolts to 4 studs, so that might take care of the offset too, all knocked on the head at once

Would be nice to use those rims above, they are powdercoated too. I definitely need to figure out the offset too, id be mounting these to my 115 chassis. 220 bucks might be doable for an AMG look. I don't have centercaps, so potentially I could make something that would benzify these rims


EDIT: 440 bucks. It would be using what would start out as a VW/porshce 5lug to 4lug adapter that is partially custom in hub sizes. Hmmm, ill figure out how thick it would have to be, and then think about it. On one hand, that's not cheap, on the other, I already have a very nice set of balanced and mounted rims that would pass for ronals with the right centercaps


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

vstef_is
GT2256V

124
06-02-2012, 07:05 AM #6
Wouldn't it be cheaper to

1) sell above rims
2) add $440 to what you get on them
3) buy MB rims that you like

I'm just asking...

1982 s123 300TD TurboDiesel (US Spec) in France
vstef_is
06-02-2012, 07:05 AM #6

Wouldn't it be cheaper to

1) sell above rims
2) add $440 to what you get on them
3) buy MB rims that you like

I'm just asking...


1982 s123 300TD TurboDiesel (US Spec) in France

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
06-02-2012, 07:25 AM #7
(06-02-2012, 07:05 AM)vstef_is Wouldn't it be cheaper to

1) sell above rims
2) add $440 to what you get on them
3) buy MB rims that you like

I'm just asking...

The rims are indeed for sale as we discuss this, but it costs nothing to research and ask questions. Big Grin. I also have another nice set of rims for the benz that will fit no problem, but these VW rims are not common here ATF brand Germany, and they have not generated many calls, so I figured id look into it

If adapters were 220, I would be all about it, but over 400 bucks is not cheap

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
06-02-2012, 07:25 AM #7

(06-02-2012, 07:05 AM)vstef_is Wouldn't it be cheaper to

1) sell above rims
2) add $440 to what you get on them
3) buy MB rims that you like

I'm just asking...

The rims are indeed for sale as we discuss this, but it costs nothing to research and ask questions. Big Grin. I also have another nice set of rims for the benz that will fit no problem, but these VW rims are not common here ATF brand Germany, and they have not generated many calls, so I figured id look into it

If adapters were 220, I would be all about it, but over 400 bucks is not cheap


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

DeliveryValve
Superturbo

1,338
06-02-2012, 09:06 PM #8
Is there enough material to have them redrilled? Or perhaps weld them up and redrilled to the correct pattern?



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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



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DeliveryValve
06-02-2012, 09:06 PM #8

Is there enough material to have them redrilled? Or perhaps weld them up and redrilled to the correct pattern?



.


Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



.

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
06-14-2012, 03:27 PM #9
(06-02-2012, 09:06 PM)DeliveryValve Is there enough material to have them redrilled? Or perhaps weld them up and redrilled to the correct pattern?



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decided I was borrowing trouble. Big Grin Put them on ebay, ill let the VW guys have them if they actually sell. If I can't sell these rims, maybe ill revisit this idea

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
06-14-2012, 03:27 PM #9

(06-02-2012, 09:06 PM)DeliveryValve Is there enough material to have them redrilled? Or perhaps weld them up and redrilled to the correct pattern?



.

decided I was borrowing trouble. Big Grin Put them on ebay, ill let the VW guys have them if they actually sell. If I can't sell these rims, maybe ill revisit this idea


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
06-14-2012, 03:50 PM #10
Machine shop! Use class 10.9 bolts to hold the adapter onto the merc. Get yourself some studs of the size of your liking and put them through the adapter. Should run you like $50 per adapter-

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
06-14-2012, 03:50 PM #10

Machine shop! Use class 10.9 bolts to hold the adapter onto the merc. Get yourself some studs of the size of your liking and put them through the adapter. Should run you like $50 per adapter-


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
06-14-2012, 11:56 PM #11
Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
06-14-2012, 11:56 PM #11

Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
06-15-2012, 05:37 AM #12
(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Maybe someone selling some ronal R9s. Or you could have seen mine, I've got these rims for sale on both ebay and craigslist

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
06-15-2012, 05:37 AM #12

(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Maybe someone selling some ronal R9s. Or you could have seen mine, I've got these rims for sale on both ebay and craigslist


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
06-15-2012, 06:40 AM #13
(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Oh can it you wimp

(06-15-2012, 05:37 AM)JB3
(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Maybe someone selling some ronal R9s. Or you could have seen mine, I've got these rims for sale on both ebay and craigslist

Find some appropriately sized aluminum and I can help you out on the cheap, I have access to a machine shop. No guarantees on how long it will take me though.
This post was last modified: 06-15-2012, 06:41 AM by Simpler=Better.

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
06-15-2012, 06:40 AM #13

(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Oh can it you wimp

(06-15-2012, 05:37 AM)JB3
(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Maybe someone selling some ronal R9s. Or you could have seen mine, I've got these rims for sale on both ebay and craigslist

Find some appropriately sized aluminum and I can help you out on the cheap, I have access to a machine shop. No guarantees on how long it will take me though.


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
06-15-2012, 07:35 AM #14
(06-15-2012, 06:40 AM)Simpler=Better Find some appropriately sized aluminum and I can help you out on the cheap, I have access to a machine shop. No guarantees on how long it will take me though.

Thanks for the offer! Im going to see how they sell though, and revisit if they don't. Ive already got some nice BBS rims I want to use for my MB. These are from a sold project and id rather have the cash than the wheels personally. Big Grin

if they don't sell, I may take you up on this!

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
06-15-2012, 07:35 AM #14

(06-15-2012, 06:40 AM)Simpler=Better Find some appropriately sized aluminum and I can help you out on the cheap, I have access to a machine shop. No guarantees on how long it will take me though.

Thanks for the offer! Im going to see how they sell though, and revisit if they don't. Ive already got some nice BBS rims I want to use for my MB. These are from a sold project and id rather have the cash than the wheels personally. Big Grin

if they don't sell, I may take you up on this!


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
06-15-2012, 03:34 PM #15
(06-15-2012, 06:40 AM)Simpler=Better
(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Oh can it you wimp

Yeah I guess I can't complain, I spent the last 3 days in an air conditioned tractor with a stereo and gps autopilot so all I had to do was make the turns lol Big Grin Tongue Cool

The ones I saw were 5 lug with Mercedes caps
This post was last modified: 06-15-2012, 03:38 PM by sassparilla_kid.

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
06-15-2012, 03:34 PM #15

(06-15-2012, 06:40 AM)Simpler=Better
(06-14-2012, 11:56 PM)sassparilla_kid Seems like I saw some like this on craigslist for $300 recently? Not sure where though, but they were MB. Or maybe it was eBay? I can't remember, getting up at 5:30 to work 10 hours is starting to take its toll

Oh can it you wimp

Yeah I guess I can't complain, I spent the last 3 days in an air conditioned tractor with a stereo and gps autopilot so all I had to do was make the turns lol Big Grin Tongue Cool

The ones I saw were 5 lug with Mercedes caps


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
09-25-2012, 09:25 AM #16
so to follow up, no one ever showed any interest in these rims and I forgot about them on the shelf, but out of the blue one day, some kid in a volvo showed up in response to my ancient craigslist post, and bought them, which was a pleasant surprise.

look pretty good on his car and fit perfectly, I never even knew any volvos had 4-lugs-

[Image: volvorims.jpg]

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
09-25-2012, 09:25 AM #16

so to follow up, no one ever showed any interest in these rims and I forgot about them on the shelf, but out of the blue one day, some kid in a volvo showed up in response to my ancient craigslist post, and bought them, which was a pleasant surprise.

look pretty good on his car and fit perfectly, I never even knew any volvos had 4-lugs-

[Image: volvorims.jpg]


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

 
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