Om606 to s123
Om606 to s123
12-27-2012, 10:53 AM
#1
Mechanically, anything I need to know about? What is not plug- and play/difficult? How many hp would the automatic transmission handle, and what needs to be done to if I want 500hp?
Or is it better to just go for a om603? I want it easy
Hopefully somebody could describe it a bit detailed about that swap/give me a good link
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
Diesel-Wiking
12-27-2012, 10:53 AM #1Hello. What do I need of the electrical lines/system to swap the om606 into an 300tdt s123? I don't know electrical systems well...The start system for example, is there any possibility to drop the key system? What's the easiest way to do the swap, I think about the motor steering and electrical system..
Mechanically, anything I need to know about? What is not plug- and play/difficult? How many hp would the automatic transmission handle, and what needs to be done to if I want 500hp?
Or is it better to just go for a om603? I want it easy
Hopefully somebody could describe it a bit detailed about that swap/give me a good link
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
12-28-2012, 02:19 PM
#2
You'll need to transfer ALL Electronic Systems from the Donor Vehicle, All the systems are interconnected by CAN-BUS and will not work independently.
Ive not heard of anyone doing this successfully, but it has been attempted into various vehicles.
Best bet is Junk the EDC pump on the OM.606 and fit a modified OM.603 pump instead, keep it all simple and mechanical.
--This has been done many times with great success.
As to engine fitting, this is relatively easy providing you can get some engine-mount arms from a 300SD or similar W126 Inline engined vehicle.
You'll need to make up some spacers for fitting the mounts to the engine--two on one side, one on the other, the W123 has a greater mount width than the W126, and is slightly offset.
Gearbox--You have huge choice, from the 6 speed from the CLK series to the diesel auto-box from a W124, although you'll have to make up something for the speedo drive on later 'electronic speedo' pick-up type transmissions......
--May well need to do something with the drive-flanges/flex-disc mounts depending on trans type you choose.....
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Alastair E
12-28-2012, 02:19 PM #2To fit the OM.606 with electronic pump to a W123....
You'll need to transfer ALL Electronic Systems from the Donor Vehicle, All the systems are interconnected by CAN-BUS and will not work independently.
Ive not heard of anyone doing this successfully, but it has been attempted into various vehicles.
Best bet is Junk the EDC pump on the OM.606 and fit a modified OM.603 pump instead, keep it all simple and mechanical.
--This has been done many times with great success.
As to engine fitting, this is relatively easy providing you can get some engine-mount arms from a 300SD or similar W126 Inline engined vehicle.
You'll need to make up some spacers for fitting the mounts to the engine--two on one side, one on the other, the W123 has a greater mount width than the W126, and is slightly offset.
Gearbox--You have huge choice, from the 6 speed from the CLK series to the diesel auto-box from a W124, although you'll have to make up something for the speedo drive on later 'electronic speedo' pick-up type transmissions......
--May well need to do something with the drive-flanges/flex-disc mounts depending on trans type you choose.....
12-28-2012, 05:57 PM
#3
(12-28-2012, 02:19 PM)Alastair E To fit the OM.606 with electronic pump to a W123....
You'll need to transfer ALL Electronic Systems from the Donor Vehicle, All the systems are interconnected by CAN-BUS and will not work independently.
Ive not heard of anyone doing this successfully, but it has been attempted into various vehicles.
Best bet is Junk the EDC pump on the OM.606 and fit a modified OM.603 pump instead, keep it all simple and mechanical.
--This has been done many times with great success.
As to engine fitting, this is relatively easy providing you can get some engine-mount arms from a 300SD or similar W126 Inline engined vehicle.
You'll need to make up some spacers for fitting the mounts to the engine--two on one side, one on the other, the W123 has a greater mount width than the W126, and is slightly offset.
Gearbox--You have huge choice, from the 6 speed from the CLK series to the diesel auto-box from a W124, although you'll have to make up something for the speedo drive on later 'electronic speedo' pick-up type transmissions......
--May well need to do something with the drive-flanges/flex-disc mounts depending on trans type you choose.....
Ok, it would be best to keep it mechanical! K.I.S.S
Is it anything abnormal with this installation? I've heard something about the oil to the pump.. But I don't remember what it exactly was..
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
Diesel-Wiking
12-28-2012, 05:57 PM #3(12-28-2012, 02:19 PM)Alastair E To fit the OM.606 with electronic pump to a W123....
You'll need to transfer ALL Electronic Systems from the Donor Vehicle, All the systems are interconnected by CAN-BUS and will not work independently.
Ive not heard of anyone doing this successfully, but it has been attempted into various vehicles.
Best bet is Junk the EDC pump on the OM.606 and fit a modified OM.603 pump instead, keep it all simple and mechanical.
--This has been done many times with great success.
As to engine fitting, this is relatively easy providing you can get some engine-mount arms from a 300SD or similar W126 Inline engined vehicle.
You'll need to make up some spacers for fitting the mounts to the engine--two on one side, one on the other, the W123 has a greater mount width than the W126, and is slightly offset.
Gearbox--You have huge choice, from the 6 speed from the CLK series to the diesel auto-box from a W124, although you'll have to make up something for the speedo drive on later 'electronic speedo' pick-up type transmissions......
--May well need to do something with the drive-flanges/flex-disc mounts depending on trans type you choose.....
Ok, it would be best to keep it mechanical! K.I.S.S
Is it anything abnormal with this installation? I've heard something about the oil to the pump.. But I don't remember what it exactly was..
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
12-29-2012, 07:31 AM
#4
(12-28-2012, 05:57 PM)Diesel-Wiking(12-28-2012, 02:19 PM)Alastair E To fit the OM.606 with electronic pump to a W123....
You'll need to transfer ALL Electronic Systems from the Donor Vehicle, All the systems are interconnected by CAN-BUS and will not work independently.
Ive not heard of anyone doing this successfully, but it has been attempted into various vehicles.
Best bet is Junk the EDC pump on the OM.606 and fit a modified OM.603 pump instead, keep it all simple and mechanical.
--This has been done many times with great success.
As to engine fitting, this is relatively easy providing you can get some engine-mount arms from a 300SD or similar W126 Inline engined vehicle.
You'll need to make up some spacers for fitting the mounts to the engine--two on one side, one on the other, the W123 has a greater mount width than the W126, and is slightly offset.
Gearbox--You have huge choice, from the 6 speed from the CLK series to the diesel auto-box from a W124, although you'll have to make up something for the speedo drive on later 'electronic speedo' pick-up type transmissions......
--May well need to do something with the drive-flanges/flex-disc mounts depending on trans type you choose.....
Ok, it would be best to keep it mechanical! K.I.S.S
Is it anything abnormal with this installation? I've heard something about the oil to the pump.. But I don't remember what it exactly was..
oil to the pump hassle doesn't affect you as its a different conversion. just make sure you get a 603 turbo pump and not an NA pump (alda/no alda) and it will fit straight in. Course for the power you want your also going to have to send it off to one of the pump shops and spend a fair chunk of money.
(12-28-2012, 05:57 PM)Diesel-Wiking(12-28-2012, 02:19 PM)Alastair E To fit the OM.606 with electronic pump to a W123....
You'll need to transfer ALL Electronic Systems from the Donor Vehicle, All the systems are interconnected by CAN-BUS and will not work independently.
Ive not heard of anyone doing this successfully, but it has been attempted into various vehicles.
Best bet is Junk the EDC pump on the OM.606 and fit a modified OM.603 pump instead, keep it all simple and mechanical.
--This has been done many times with great success.
As to engine fitting, this is relatively easy providing you can get some engine-mount arms from a 300SD or similar W126 Inline engined vehicle.
You'll need to make up some spacers for fitting the mounts to the engine--two on one side, one on the other, the W123 has a greater mount width than the W126, and is slightly offset.
Gearbox--You have huge choice, from the 6 speed from the CLK series to the diesel auto-box from a W124, although you'll have to make up something for the speedo drive on later 'electronic speedo' pick-up type transmissions......
--May well need to do something with the drive-flanges/flex-disc mounts depending on trans type you choose.....
Ok, it would be best to keep it mechanical! K.I.S.S
Is it anything abnormal with this installation? I've heard something about the oil to the pump.. But I don't remember what it exactly was..
oil to the pump hassle doesn't affect you as its a different conversion. just make sure you get a 603 turbo pump and not an NA pump (alda/no alda) and it will fit straight in. Course for the power you want your also going to have to send it off to one of the pump shops and spend a fair chunk of money.
12-29-2012, 12:54 PM
#5
Not sure on that but assume it would be fitting different engines to the W114/5 or R107 cars where the chassis/crossmember/bulkhead/firewall can give issues for the original oil-filter/pipework/sump/oil-pan on some engines....
There should be no issues with fitting a OM.60x to a W123.
Maybe you were thinking of the oil supply to the injection-pump? this isnt an issue with the OM.60x series, its fed with oil through its drive-shaft, not external pipe like some turbo OM.617 engines...
There's specialist trans builders who will make an Auto trans for the holding 500BHP--Standard one wont hold anywhere near. Lots of money probably to have specially made and shipped from somewhere like Finland where they are done...
Recommend stick to Manual ......
Alastair E
12-29-2012, 12:54 PM #5'Oil to the pump'....
Not sure on that but assume it would be fitting different engines to the W114/5 or R107 cars where the chassis/crossmember/bulkhead/firewall can give issues for the original oil-filter/pipework/sump/oil-pan on some engines....
There should be no issues with fitting a OM.60x to a W123.
Maybe you were thinking of the oil supply to the injection-pump? this isnt an issue with the OM.60x series, its fed with oil through its drive-shaft, not external pipe like some turbo OM.617 engines...
There's specialist trans builders who will make an Auto trans for the holding 500BHP--Standard one wont hold anywhere near. Lots of money probably to have specially made and shipped from somewhere like Finland where they are done...
Recommend stick to Manual ......
12-30-2012, 01:01 PM
#6
(12-29-2012, 12:54 PM)Alastair E 'Oil to the pump'....
Not sure on that but assume it would be fitting different engines to the W114/5 or R107 cars where the chassis/crossmember/bulkhead/firewall can give issues for the original oil-filter/pipework/sump/oil-pan on some engines....
There should be no issues with fitting a OM.60x to a W123.
Maybe you were thinking of the oil supply to the injection-pump? this isnt an issue with the OM.60x series, its fed with oil through its drive-shaft, not external pipe like some turbo OM.617 engines...
There's specialist trans builders who will make an Auto trans for the holding 500BHP--Standard one wont hold anywhere near. Lots of money probably to have specially made and shipped from somewhere like Finland where they are done...
Recommend stick to Manual ......
Thanks for info, guys!
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
Diesel-Wiking
12-30-2012, 01:01 PM #6(12-29-2012, 12:54 PM)Alastair E 'Oil to the pump'....
Not sure on that but assume it would be fitting different engines to the W114/5 or R107 cars where the chassis/crossmember/bulkhead/firewall can give issues for the original oil-filter/pipework/sump/oil-pan on some engines....
There should be no issues with fitting a OM.60x to a W123.
Maybe you were thinking of the oil supply to the injection-pump? this isnt an issue with the OM.60x series, its fed with oil through its drive-shaft, not external pipe like some turbo OM.617 engines...
There's specialist trans builders who will make an Auto trans for the holding 500BHP--Standard one wont hold anywhere near. Lots of money probably to have specially made and shipped from somewhere like Finland where they are done...
Recommend stick to Manual ......
Thanks for info, guys!
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
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