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Best 190E/D Manual Tranny for Auto Conversion

Best 190E/D Manual Tranny for Auto Conversion

 
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Turn1
Naturally-aspirated

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02-08-2013, 08:08 PM #1
I understand that this is an easy conversion. Is there a specific year better than the others are will the lowest mileage unit be the best??

Thx
Turn1
02-08-2013, 08:08 PM #1

I understand that this is an easy conversion. Is there a specific year better than the others are will the lowest mileage unit be the best??

Thx

aaa
GT2256V

913
02-08-2013, 08:33 PM #2
The 16v 190e cars don't have overdrive but are stronger, the clutch disc/flywheel combo is also the second-biggest available (biggest being 300E). Also, around 89 they switched over to dual-mass flywheels, with altered transmission shafts to match.
aaa
02-08-2013, 08:33 PM #2

The 16v 190e cars don't have overdrive but are stronger, the clutch disc/flywheel combo is also the second-biggest available (biggest being 300E). Also, around 89 they switched over to dual-mass flywheels, with altered transmission shafts to match.

benzguy300
K26-2

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02-08-2013, 10:39 PM #3
If you are going to do a conversion in a late model 190E I think 88 and up make sure the flywheel has the timing tabs if you are doing a 190D don't worry about it
benzguy300
02-08-2013, 10:39 PM #3

If you are going to do a conversion in a late model 190E I think 88 and up make sure the flywheel has the timing tabs if you are doing a 190D don't worry about it

Turn1
Naturally-aspirated

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02-09-2013, 07:38 PM #4
Believe it or not english is my primary language but I obviously suck at it. Let me rephrase my question: Which 190E/D manual transmission is best for converting an 87 300D from auto to manual.

PS. Thx for the previous responses and I apologize for wasting your time. Confused


(02-08-2013, 08:08 PM)Turn1 I understand that this is an easy conversion. Is there a specific year better than the others are will the lowest mileage unit be the best??

Thx
This post was last modified: 02-09-2013, 08:00 PM by Turn1.
Turn1
02-09-2013, 07:38 PM #4

Believe it or not english is my primary language but I obviously suck at it. Let me rephrase my question: Which 190E/D manual transmission is best for converting an 87 300D from auto to manual.

PS. Thx for the previous responses and I apologize for wasting your time. Confused


(02-08-2013, 08:08 PM)Turn1 I understand that this is an easy conversion. Is there a specific year better than the others are will the lowest mileage unit be the best??

Thx

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
02-09-2013, 07:46 PM #5
I think they will all be a pain in the ass seeing as how the om60X series engines have a different bolt pattern than the om61X series engines, and the starter is on the wrong side.

That being said, I have no idea, probably one of the earlier ones before they changed to the dual mass flywheel

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
02-09-2013, 07:46 PM #5

I think they will all be a pain in the ass seeing as how the om60X series engines have a different bolt pattern than the om61X series engines, and the starter is on the wrong side.

That being said, I have no idea, probably one of the earlier ones before they changed to the dual mass flywheel


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

aaa
GT2256V

913
02-09-2013, 08:19 PM #6
I would grab any earlier non-dualmass one, and figure out how to get a stronger clutch. The smaller 190d clutches are known for not holding the stock 603's power.
aaa
02-09-2013, 08:19 PM #6

I would grab any earlier non-dualmass one, and figure out how to get a stronger clutch. The smaller 190d clutches are known for not holding the stock 603's power.

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
02-09-2013, 09:34 PM #7
Oh wow I'm a dumbass, disregard my earlier post, I obviously have not had coffee yet today

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
02-09-2013, 09:34 PM #7

Oh wow I'm a dumbass, disregard my earlier post, I obviously have not had coffee yet today


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

benzguy300
K26-2

33
02-10-2013, 01:03 AM #8
I have a dual mass flywheel in my 87 300TD and works very good because the dual mass flywheel is heavier than the single mass and diesel engine needs a heavier flywheel and the clutch is 9.5'' You can use any 190 transmission but the flywheel needs to be for a 9'' clutch at least don't use the 8.5'' flywheel
benzguy300
02-10-2013, 01:03 AM #8

I have a dual mass flywheel in my 87 300TD and works very good because the dual mass flywheel is heavier than the single mass and diesel engine needs a heavier flywheel and the clutch is 9.5'' You can use any 190 transmission but the flywheel needs to be for a 9'' clutch at least don't use the 8.5'' flywheel

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
02-11-2013, 07:53 AM #9
The trans from a 190e 16v is the strongest but it has a 1:1 5th gear so your top gear ratio will be unchanged. This is good from a performance perspective since the ratios are closer but you'll miss out on some fuel economy. I have one of these transmissions and my fuel economy did improve when I installed it. I get 26-27mpg in my 603 W124 and a very heavy foot. On road trips setting the cruise at 78mph and a little city driving I've seen 36mpg. The 190e 16v has a 9" clutch and the early cars have a single mass flywheel with the required longer input shaft on the trans. These are the most desirable for modding.

The overdrive 5 speeds are easier to get but there are many complaints about them breaking when you throw power at them.
raysorenson
02-11-2013, 07:53 AM #9

The trans from a 190e 16v is the strongest but it has a 1:1 5th gear so your top gear ratio will be unchanged. This is good from a performance perspective since the ratios are closer but you'll miss out on some fuel economy. I have one of these transmissions and my fuel economy did improve when I installed it. I get 26-27mpg in my 603 W124 and a very heavy foot. On road trips setting the cruise at 78mph and a little city driving I've seen 36mpg. The 190e 16v has a 9" clutch and the early cars have a single mass flywheel with the required longer input shaft on the trans. These are the most desirable for modding.

The overdrive 5 speeds are easier to get but there are many complaints about them breaking when you throw power at them.

 
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