Any 2:47 or 2:47 LSD Actual Experience
Any 2:47 or 2:47 LSD Actual Experience
01-18-2014, 10:46 PM
#1
W123 Chassis Application / OM617.952A engine, tweeked a little.
Has anyone out there run a 2:47 geared differential in their car and what are your views? EXCLUDING thoughts or opinions on perceived reduced get-up-and-go, I am investigating whether or not it is really as sluggish as folks believe. The circa 1985 flavor had 2:88 which is somewhat obtainable, although tougher to come by these days. The 2:47 or 2:47 LSD in a compatible version for the W123 is really tough. I have only seen two in the past three years at the yards, and I let both slip through my fingers. Once it warms up, I am hitting all yards within 150 miles of my home headquarters looking for one if any folks had positive experiences. Alternatively, does anyone have any leads on one?
So, who out there has done it ? Thanks in advance
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Howdy,
W123 Chassis Application / OM617.952A engine, tweeked a little.
Has anyone out there run a 2:47 geared differential in their car and what are your views? EXCLUDING thoughts or opinions on perceived reduced get-up-and-go, I am investigating whether or not it is really as sluggish as folks believe. The circa 1985 flavor had 2:88 which is somewhat obtainable, although tougher to come by these days. The 2:47 or 2:47 LSD in a compatible version for the W123 is really tough. I have only seen two in the past three years at the yards, and I let both slip through my fingers. Once it warms up, I am hitting all yards within 150 miles of my home headquarters looking for one if any folks had positive experiences. Alternatively, does anyone have any leads on one?
So, who out there has done it ? Thanks in advance
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
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Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
01-19-2014, 05:05 AM
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This post was last modified: 01-19-2014, 05:11 AM by Druk.
I've got a 2.47:1 in my 606 to R107SL conversion. It came from a 380SE W126 donor. With a direct gear 1:1 5th (Getrag) it's the perfect ratio. The diff is 'large case' which fits the 107 subframe however the diff as it came had 'plug-in' shafts and had to be converted to the flanged shafts that are on the 107. I had to machine the output bearing housings and convert to countersunk bolts to allow the flanges to fit to the diff. Having done that it works great. This is not a LSD diff. Depends whether you have plug-ins or flanges as to the difficulty.
01-19-2014, 07:27 AM
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BTW -- Beautiful Work !
This post was last modified: 01-19-2014, 07:28 AM by Greazzer.
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I was under the impression that the 1st Gen W126 Differential or W116 (6.9) was a direct bolt-in swap, with no R&D. There was one post on Benzworldo dot com where a person did the swap. The only issue was keeping the original shims since there was a slight spacing issue with the W123 half axles.
BTW -- Beautiful Work !
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01-19-2014, 09:55 AM
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(01-19-2014, 07:27 AM)Greazzer I was under the impression that the 1st Gen W126 Differential or W116 (6.9) was a direct bolt-in swap, with no R&D. There was one post on Benzworldo dot com where a person did the swap. The only issue was keeping the original shims since there was a slight spacing issue with the W123 half axles.
BTW -- Beautiful Work !
Thank-you
. It may well be the case that they're a direct change if your axle-shafts are plug-in type. On my 107 they had been changed to flanged because Merc have stopped supplying plug-in shafts for this model and do a conversion to W123 bolted shafts which my car has had done. The shafts you see in the final pic have 123 part numbers so I suspect that some/all W123's have this type shaft...don't know.
The other consideration is the input flange is approx 10mm lower on the larger case diff as measured from the front mounting flat to the C/L of the spigot. That might clash with the driveshaft alignment?? Don't know about that one as I've also got a one-piece driveshaft which negates that particular problem. The input spider is also a greater diameter PCD. That might/might not be interchangeable with the one from a small case diff
but would cause probs with you bolting your existing shaft straight on. ![[Image: 24-6002.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/24-6002.jpg.html)
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This post was last modified: 01-19-2014, 10:01 AM by Druk.
(01-19-2014, 07:27 AM)Greazzer I was under the impression that the 1st Gen W126 Differential or W116 (6.9) was a direct bolt-in swap, with no R&D. There was one post on Benzworldo dot com where a person did the swap. The only issue was keeping the original shims since there was a slight spacing issue with the W123 half axles.
BTW -- Beautiful Work !
Thank-you
. It may well be the case that they're a direct change if your axle-shafts are plug-in type. On my 107 they had been changed to flanged because Merc have stopped supplying plug-in shafts for this model and do a conversion to W123 bolted shafts which my car has had done. The shafts you see in the final pic have 123 part numbers so I suspect that some/all W123's have this type shaft...don't know.
The other consideration is the input flange is approx 10mm lower on the larger case diff as measured from the front mounting flat to the C/L of the spigot. That might clash with the driveshaft alignment?? Don't know about that one as I've also got a one-piece driveshaft which negates that particular problem. The input spider is also a greater diameter PCD. That might/might not be interchangeable with the one from a small case diff
but would cause probs with you bolting your existing shaft straight on. .
01-19-2014, 01:57 PM
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I wonder if that 10mm makes any difference ? I know there was one person on B W dot org who did it, but he has been on that forum in over a year so I cannot PM him. The only thing he commented on was the shims.
So, maybe the only possible issue will be the 10mm lower placement of the half axles ... ???
Also, is the differential width the same ? I sure looks fatter, so does that effect the half axles ??
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I know that the yokes are swapable, and the 12 pt 30mm nut is the same also, so that's easy.
I wonder if that 10mm makes any difference ? I know there was one person on B W dot org who did it, but he has been on that forum in over a year so I cannot PM him. The only thing he commented on was the shims.
So, maybe the only possible issue will be the 10mm lower placement of the half axles ... ???
Also, is the differential width the same ? I sure looks fatter, so does that effect the half axles ??
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01-19-2014, 05:27 PM
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(01-19-2014, 01:57 PM)Greazzer So, maybe the only possible issue will be the 10mm lower placement of the half axles ... ???
Also, is the differential width the same ? I sure looks fatter, so does that effect the half axles ??
The 10mm drop will only affect the alignment of the main fore/aft driveshaft (in the UK we call it a propshaft) because the rear rubber joint is designed to run at a straight alignment. ie, 0 deg out of true. The 1/2 axleshafts will run at almost any mis-alignment because of the constant velocity nature of their joints. Witness the effect on them if you had a heavy load in the trunk (boot in the UK
) If it helps I can measure the width of both differential cases tomorrow and report back. It can't be that far different however because the flanges and shafts in the new diff were also in the old and ran fine when there; other than me machining 1/16" off the inner faces of the flanges to clear the diff bearing cages. I think it may be an optical illusion. Look at the width of both cases in relation to the width of the rear mounting bolts (which is the same for both cases).
This post was last modified: 01-19-2014, 05:32 PM by Druk.
(01-19-2014, 01:57 PM)Greazzer So, maybe the only possible issue will be the 10mm lower placement of the half axles ... ???
Also, is the differential width the same ? I sure looks fatter, so does that effect the half axles ??
The 10mm drop will only affect the alignment of the main fore/aft driveshaft (in the UK we call it a propshaft) because the rear rubber joint is designed to run at a straight alignment. ie, 0 deg out of true. The 1/2 axleshafts will run at almost any mis-alignment because of the constant velocity nature of their joints. Witness the effect on them if you had a heavy load in the trunk (boot in the UK
) If it helps I can measure the width of both differential cases tomorrow and report back. It can't be that far different however because the flanges and shafts in the new diff were also in the old and ran fine when there; other than me machining 1/16" off the inner faces of the flanges to clear the diff bearing cages. I think it may be an optical illusion. Look at the width of both cases in relation to the width of the rear mounting bolts (which is the same for both cases).
01-19-2014, 06:59 PM
#7
a 2.47 w126gen1 LSD differential on a w123 with an om606. worked good, except the extra torque on the gearbox killed it. probably aiming for a 2.82 or 3.07LSD and a sixspeed 530d gearbox.
neither of them are wider than the stock 3.46 rearend, and no there wasnt any problem at al.
althou if you are doing it correctly you should change the (whatever its called) part that compresses, and tighten the nut of the yoke till you get the correct "feel"
but yeah, the last one we did by hand and without changing that and it worked great (so far)
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w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
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swampmonkey
01-19-2014, 06:59 PM #7i have a w116 450 6.9LSD differential on a w115 with a om617 turbo in it, swaped yokes.
a 2.47 w126gen1 LSD differential on a w123 with an om606. worked good, except the extra torque on the gearbox killed it. probably aiming for a 2.82 or 3.07LSD and a sixspeed 530d gearbox.
neither of them are wider than the stock 3.46 rearend, and no there wasnt any problem at al.
althou if you are doing it correctly you should change the (whatever its called) part that compresses, and tighten the nut of the yoke till you get the correct "feel"
but yeah, the last one we did by hand and without changing that and it worked great (so far)
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-19-2014, 10:22 PM
#8
Anything else (excluding changing the seals and general maintenance stuff) ? I saw somewhere that you have to change the back plate so it will fit (a plate with fins ?)
Thanks again in advance.
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So, the verdit looks like a w116 6.9LSD 2:47 differential or a 2.47 from a w126 gen1 LSD differential as a direct drop in replacement for a W123 excluding the shim issues which should be pretty simple and changing out the yokes which is likewise pretty simple.
Anything else (excluding changing the seals and general maintenance stuff) ? I saw somewhere that you have to change the back plate so it will fit (a plate with fins ?)
Thanks again in advance.
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Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
01-20-2014, 09:00 AM
#9
(01-19-2014, 10:22 PM)Greazzer So, the verdit looks like a w116 6.9LSD 2:47 differential or a 2.47 from a w126 gen1 LSD differential as a direct drop in replacement for a W123 excluding the shim issues which should be pretty simple and changing out the yokes which is likewise pretty simple.
Anything else (excluding changing the seals and general maintenance stuff) ? I saw somewhere that you have to change the back plate so it will fit (a plate with fins ?)
Thanks again in advance.
a 450SE 6.9 isnt 2.47 but 2.65LSD, but other than that you are correct, no need to change backplate, althou you need to turn the back "fastener" 180 degrees around
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you see the part at the back? how it isnt symetrical?
a w115 and w116 has it "leaning inwards the differentail" whilst a w123 has it as shown in the picture, leaning outwards from the differential, easy to change, two bolts and 30 seconds later and you are done.
other than that and the yoke, it is a direct fit..
there is a few tools that makes changing the differential much easier, i can post a picture later, but basicly it is just a longer 19mm socket than usual that enables you to loosen the differential from the back instead of the tight front, saves a lot of time.
This post was last modified: 01-20-2014, 09:02 AM by swampmonkey.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-20-2014, 09:00 AM #9(01-19-2014, 10:22 PM)Greazzer So, the verdit looks like a w116 6.9LSD 2:47 differential or a 2.47 from a w126 gen1 LSD differential as a direct drop in replacement for a W123 excluding the shim issues which should be pretty simple and changing out the yokes which is likewise pretty simple.
Anything else (excluding changing the seals and general maintenance stuff) ? I saw somewhere that you have to change the back plate so it will fit (a plate with fins ?)
Thanks again in advance.
a 450SE 6.9 isnt 2.47 but 2.65LSD, but other than that you are correct, no need to change backplate, althou you need to turn the back "fastener" 180 degrees around
you see the part at the back? how it isnt symetrical?
a w115 and w116 has it "leaning inwards the differentail" whilst a w123 has it as shown in the picture, leaning outwards from the differential, easy to change, two bolts and 30 seconds later and you are done.
other than that and the yoke, it is a direct fit..
there is a few tools that makes changing the differential much easier, i can post a picture later, but basicly it is just a longer 19mm socket than usual that enables you to loosen the differential from the back instead of the tight front, saves a lot of time.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-20-2014, 09:28 AM
#10
More pictures the better.Other than the 2 seals, one on each side for the half axles, fresh gear oil, and a good cleaning inside and out, are there any other maintenance items? A lot easier to do everything on the bench than under the car.
Once we start getting consistent 50F weather, which is about 2-3 weeks away, I am going to hit the yards to find me one. Today it's supposed to hit 65F, but I am determined to see most of my floor in my garage. LOL.
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Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
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Yes, please do. Post away ... More pictures the better.
Other than the 2 seals, one on each side for the half axles, fresh gear oil, and a good cleaning inside and out, are there any other maintenance items? A lot easier to do everything on the bench than under the car.
Once we start getting consistent 50F weather, which is about 2-3 weeks away, I am going to hit the yards to find me one. Today it's supposed to hit 65F, but I am determined to see most of my floor in my garage. LOL.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
01-20-2014, 10:45 AM
#11
(01-20-2014, 09:28 AM)Greazzer Yes, please do. Post away ...
Other than the 2 seals, one on each side for the half axles, fresh gear oil, and a good cleaning inside and out, are there any other maintenance items? A lot easier to do everything on the bench than under the car.
http://mbturbo.com/how-to-change-final-drive-w123/
how to change on a w123.. isch...
the "tool" highjacked into this thread, basic socket+socketwrench, but it shure saved me time to have that longer type of socket.
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the parts i bought was, and if you are changing the "spacer bushing" you need to change the front sealring to. (you can go without changing the spacer bushing and i acctualy skipped that part on the 2.47 LSD, but did it on my 2.65 LSD....
A 025 997 00 47 x1 seal ring
A 020 997 25 47 x2 seal ring
A 108 353 00 42 x1 Spacer bushing (thats the one you "need" to change when changing yoke)
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put some pictures of the dissambly of a 2.88 rearend as a kind of guide. if that helps, but you will probably not have the same type of sealrings on a 2.88 as a 2.47..
http://mbturbo.com/overhauling-a-differential/
![[Image: MG_6335-500x333.jpg]](http://media.mbturbo.com/2014/01/MG_6335.jpg)
a 2.47LSD differential
edit: to properly tighten the spacer bushing you have to dissemle the entire differential, getting the "differential" loose so you can feel any play in the "front" bearing... i gave it a try to just remove yoke, place a smaller and retighten, it is so far silent, but acording to the "masters" thats a risky buisness.. you -might- succed, but no promises...
i know of people that measure the torque that the yoke is tightened with, and then retighten it just a tad more, and have been "somewhat" successful...
This post was last modified: 01-20-2014, 11:15 AM by swampmonkey.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-20-2014, 10:45 AM #11(01-20-2014, 09:28 AM)Greazzer Yes, please do. Post away ...
Other than the 2 seals, one on each side for the half axles, fresh gear oil, and a good cleaning inside and out, are there any other maintenance items? A lot easier to do everything on the bench than under the car.
http://mbturbo.com/how-to-change-final-drive-w123/
how to change on a w123.. isch...
the "tool" highjacked into this thread, basic socket+socketwrench, but it shure saved me time to have that longer type of socket.
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the parts i bought was, and if you are changing the "spacer bushing" you need to change the front sealring to. (you can go without changing the spacer bushing and i acctualy skipped that part on the 2.47 LSD, but did it on my 2.65 LSD....
A 025 997 00 47 x1 seal ring
A 020 997 25 47 x2 seal ring
A 108 353 00 42 x1 Spacer bushing (thats the one you "need" to change when changing yoke)
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put some pictures of the dissambly of a 2.88 rearend as a kind of guide. if that helps, but you will probably not have the same type of sealrings on a 2.88 as a 2.47..
http://mbturbo.com/overhauling-a-differential/
a 2.47LSD differential
edit: to properly tighten the spacer bushing you have to dissemle the entire differential, getting the "differential" loose so you can feel any play in the "front" bearing... i gave it a try to just remove yoke, place a smaller and retighten, it is so far silent, but acording to the "masters" thats a risky buisness.. you -might- succed, but no promises...
i know of people that measure the torque that the yoke is tightened with, and then retighten it just a tad more, and have been "somewhat" successful...
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-20-2014, 12:49 PM
#12
Other options for yard finds..
If you happen to stike out and only find 2nd gen stuff, and if you are willing, you can remove the LSD carrier from a 2nd gen and install it in a 1st gen w126 open diff case.
Also, if you run across a w124 4matic with ASR or a w201 16v LSD at yards, you can swap the clutched carrier into your 3.07 or 2.88 w123 case.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
01-20-2014, 12:49 PM #12Hey Mark, a 1st gen w126 2.47 LSD or a 6.9 2.65 LSD find would be really lucky for you. Most likely you come across a 2nd gen w126 2.47 first or maybe a 1st Gen w126 2.24 than any of those.
Other options for yard finds..
If you happen to stike out and only find 2nd gen stuff, and if you are willing, you can remove the LSD carrier from a 2nd gen and install it in a 1st gen w126 open diff case.
Also, if you run across a w124 4matic with ASR or a w201 16v LSD at yards, you can swap the clutched carrier into your 3.07 or 2.88 w123 case.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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01-20-2014, 01:10 PM
#13
Are they that rare of a find ? I had some great luck last year finding scores of W115s and W116s, aluminum hoods, et cet. But then again, that stuff sold overnight so that got me thinking that luck is just luck. I will keep an eye out for other options and that tag on the driver's side which suggests LSD gearing clutch packs. It's already 60F and our real first sunny day since forever ... but it's too late to hit Augusta or Atlanta. That is a leave at 6AM and make it a day journey. poop ...
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Hi Richard,
Are they that rare of a find ? I had some great luck last year finding scores of W115s and W116s, aluminum hoods, et cet. But then again, that stuff sold overnight so that got me thinking that luck is just luck. I will keep an eye out for other options and that tag on the driver's side which suggests LSD gearing clutch packs. It's already 60F and our real first sunny day since forever ... but it's too late to hit Augusta or Atlanta. That is a leave at 6AM and make it a day journey. poop ...
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
01-20-2014, 01:27 PM
#14
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
01-20-2014, 01:27 PM #14Definitely! You don't run across those LSD's that fit a w123 that often. Even if you find the more available 2.24 ratio, it will not work well with a 617.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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01-20-2014, 01:53 PM
#15
either way, running a fivespeed om617 with a 2.47 is in my opinion a tad to low, especialy if you are going with that fivespeed 717.400 Greazzer...
have a w123 coupe with om602 turbo and a 2.88, and that is perfect, slightly dialed up pump.
and a w123 with om602 turbo and 7.5mm dieselmeken and 3.07 rearend, and that one is smooth as hell to.. doesnt need an extra gear on none of those 2000/2100rpm in 60mph is great.
the w126 with om605 turbo (stock isch) runs great with a 2.47 (LSD i think) but it shure uses that low-end torque, and 1600rpm in 60mph is smooth as hell, but to pass another car one downshifts to third gear. a 2.47 is heavy to pull with a manual fivespeed and nothing id recomend for other uses than highway cruicing, the fifth gear is almost never needed/wanted, althou i got so used to the low rpm i tried to find a sixth gear one time
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-20-2014, 01:53 PM #15good information about the posibility to transfer to another open-diff w126 center (got a 2.47 LSD gen2 laying around to)
either way, running a fivespeed om617 with a 2.47 is in my opinion a tad to low, especialy if you are going with that fivespeed 717.400 Greazzer...
have a w123 coupe with om602 turbo and a 2.88, and that is perfect, slightly dialed up pump.
and a w123 with om602 turbo and 7.5mm dieselmeken and 3.07 rearend, and that one is smooth as hell to.. doesnt need an extra gear on none of those 2000/2100rpm in 60mph is great.
the w126 with om605 turbo (stock isch) runs great with a 2.47 (LSD i think) but it shure uses that low-end torque, and 1600rpm in 60mph is smooth as hell, but to pass another car one downshifts to third gear. a 2.47 is heavy to pull with a manual fivespeed and nothing id recomend for other uses than highway cruicing, the fifth gear is almost never needed/wanted, althou i got so used to the low rpm i tried to find a sixth gear one time
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-20-2014, 02:26 PM
#16
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
I got the venerable Getrag 717.400 five speed and my current DD (still in the paint shop) has a very peppy NA 617, and I am thinking its "peppy" because I got rid of a lot of parasitic drag off the engine, eg, Manual Steering Box, et cet. I really don't have much to play with at 88ish HP. Now, whenever I get my Turbo engine done, I am thinking the current 3:XX whatever I got, will be replaced with at least a 2:88. Since I know where a few 2:88s are lurking, I can grap one of those and install and see how I like the different gearing. If it turns out OK, then I can debate and hunt for the 2:47, since the jump to a 2:47 from 2:88 might be the zinger or might be too slugish as folks predict. I am thinking I will be OK with a little slower off the line speed, but I was hoping to do the ultra cruise at 75 mph on the highway and getting rid of 300-400 RPMs with the lowered gear differential.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
01-20-2014, 02:57 PM
#17
that w126 has around 140hp, so it might be what you are getting from a om617 with 6mm elements. ´
2.47 and fivespeed.
75km/h on speedometer = 100km/h in real speed, 60mph... althou the om605 perhaps is a tad evil to compare to a om617, but it has realy low rpms, and to cruice around at 60mph is no problem...
a om617na w123 will do a 2.88 rearend without a problem if it is a fourspeed for shure! my w115 72torn, realy torn engine has a 3.07 and almost keeps up with a w116 3.07 om617NA automatic 88hp, both being sluggish, but heck, they are heavy and slow to start with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHSqgpQUTdc
240d accelerating/keeping the speed up, 3.07 and speedometer being around 10km/h to low compared to real speed, topspeed = 140km/h.
but the engine is realy freaking torn.
This post was last modified: 01-20-2014, 03:02 PM by swampmonkey.
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-20-2014, 02:57 PM #17http://mbturbo.com/car/w126-sec-om605-turbo/
that w126 has around 140hp, so it might be what you are getting from a om617 with 6mm elements. ´
2.47 and fivespeed.
75km/h on speedometer = 100km/h in real speed, 60mph... althou the om605 perhaps is a tad evil to compare to a om617, but it has realy low rpms, and to cruice around at 60mph is no problem...
a om617na w123 will do a 2.88 rearend without a problem if it is a fourspeed for shure! my w115 72torn, realy torn engine has a 3.07 and almost keeps up with a w116 3.07 om617NA automatic 88hp, both being sluggish, but heck, they are heavy and slow to start with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHSqgpQUTdc
240d accelerating/keeping the speed up, 3.07 and speedometer being around 10km/h to low compared to real speed, topspeed = 140km/h.
but the engine is realy freaking torn.
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-28-2014, 09:44 PM
#18
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
My 617 dynoed 124hp with a hx30 at 18psi, turned up IP, and water to air cooler. So I'd say 140hp with 6mm element a is definitely doable.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
01-30-2014, 11:11 AM
#19
So, just to confirm:
A 1979 450 SEL 6.9 with a 2:65 LSD is a direct, drop in replacement for the W123?
OR
A 1972 W116 6.9 with 2:65 Diff with the Clutch Pack is a direct drop in replacement for the W123 ?
Please let me know
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
OK,
So, just to confirm:
A 1979 450 SEL 6.9 with a 2:65 LSD is a direct, drop in replacement for the W123?
OR
A 1972 W116 6.9 with 2:65 Diff with the Clutch Pack is a direct drop in replacement for the W123 ?
Please let me know
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
01-30-2014, 11:36 AM
#20
(01-30-2014, 11:11 AM)Greazzer OK,
So, just to confirm:
A 1979 450 SEL 6.9 with a 2:65 LSD is a direct, drop in replacement for the W123?
OR
A 1972 W116 6.9 with 2:65 Diff with the Clutch Pack is a direct drop in replacement for the W123 ?
Please let me know
The second vehicle you listed does not exist. All W116 diffs are compatible with W123s.
Here's a link with plenty of pictures of the 2.65.
This post was last modified: 01-30-2014, 11:48 AM by Jooseppi Luna.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
01-30-2014, 11:36 AM #20(01-30-2014, 11:11 AM)Greazzer OK,
So, just to confirm:
A 1979 450 SEL 6.9 with a 2:65 LSD is a direct, drop in replacement for the W123?
OR
A 1972 W116 6.9 with 2:65 Diff with the Clutch Pack is a direct drop in replacement for the W123 ?
Please let me know
The second vehicle you listed does not exist. All W116 diffs are compatible with W123s.
Here's a link with plenty of pictures of the 2.65.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
01-30-2014, 11:50 AM
#21
"The high-performance 450SEL 6.9 version of the S-Class was built on its own assembly line by Daimler-Benz in Stuttgart, Germany and based on the long-wheelbase version of the W116 chassis. The model was generally referred to in the company's literature as the "6.9", to separate it from the regular 450SEL.
The 6.9 was first shown to the motoring press at the Geneva Auto Show in 1974, and produced between 1975 and 1981 in extremely limited numbers. It was billed as the flagship of the Mercedes-Benz car line, and the successor to Mercedes-Benz's original high-performance sedan, the 300SEL 6.3. The 6.9 also has the distinction of being among the first vehicles ever produced with optional electronically controlled anti-lock brakes, first introduced by Mercedes-Benz and Bosch in 1978. The 6.9's successor — the top of range 500 SEL — continued the 6.9's remarkable self-leveling hydropneumatic suspension as an extra-cost option."
I was off by a few years ... lol
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
My bad ... a typo of sorts. Here's the range ...
"The high-performance 450SEL 6.9 version of the S-Class was built on its own assembly line by Daimler-Benz in Stuttgart, Germany and based on the long-wheelbase version of the W116 chassis. The model was generally referred to in the company's literature as the "6.9", to separate it from the regular 450SEL.
The 6.9 was first shown to the motoring press at the Geneva Auto Show in 1974, and produced between 1975 and 1981 in extremely limited numbers. It was billed as the flagship of the Mercedes-Benz car line, and the successor to Mercedes-Benz's original high-performance sedan, the 300SEL 6.3. The 6.9 also has the distinction of being among the first vehicles ever produced with optional electronically controlled anti-lock brakes, first introduced by Mercedes-Benz and Bosch in 1978. The 6.9's successor — the top of range 500 SEL — continued the 6.9's remarkable self-leveling hydropneumatic suspension as an extra-cost option."
I was off by a few years ... lol
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
01-30-2014, 12:24 PM
#22
Also regarding axles, you can use the stock axles, but they will be a tad long. The best bet, would be to install R107 with a 1.3 liter diff (2.47, 2.65, ratio) axles. They will have the correct length.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
01-30-2014, 12:24 PM #22Yes it will fit, with an input flange change out. Just make sure if you are not picking up the diff directly, that the seller verifies that it indeed has clutches. There is a possibility at one point of the car's life the diff was changed out to an open diff.
Also regarding axles, you can use the stock axles, but they will be a tad long. The best bet, would be to install R107 with a 1.3 liter diff (2.47, 2.65, ratio) axles. They will have the correct length.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
01-30-2014, 03:04 PM
#23
(01-20-2014, 02:57 PM)swampmonkey http://mbturbo.com/car/w126-sec-om605-turbo/
that w126 has around 140hp, so it might be what you are getting from a om617 with 6mm elements. ´
2.47 and fivespeed.
75km/h on speedometer = 100km/h in real speed, 60mph... althou the om605 perhaps is a tad evil to compare to a om617, but it has realy low rpms, and to cruice around at 60mph is no problem...
a om617na w123 will do a 2.88 rearend without a problem if it is a fourspeed for shure! my w115 72torn, realy torn engine has a 3.07 and almost keeps up with a w116 3.07 om617NA automatic 88hp, both being sluggish, but heck, they are heavy and slow to start with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHSqgpQUTdc
240d accelerating/keeping the speed up, 3.07 and speedometer being around 10km/h to low compared to real speed, topspeed = 140km/h.
but the engine is realy freaking torn.
Swampmonkey, do you think you could start a thread about your w115 with turbo 617? I'm curious what you did to relocate the oil filter and stuff like that? I looked at your website but I couldn't really tell too much from the pictures
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
01-30-2014, 03:04 PM #23(01-20-2014, 02:57 PM)swampmonkey http://mbturbo.com/car/w126-sec-om605-turbo/
that w126 has around 140hp, so it might be what you are getting from a om617 with 6mm elements. ´
2.47 and fivespeed.
75km/h on speedometer = 100km/h in real speed, 60mph... althou the om605 perhaps is a tad evil to compare to a om617, but it has realy low rpms, and to cruice around at 60mph is no problem...
a om617na w123 will do a 2.88 rearend without a problem if it is a fourspeed for shure! my w115 72torn, realy torn engine has a 3.07 and almost keeps up with a w116 3.07 om617NA automatic 88hp, both being sluggish, but heck, they are heavy and slow to start with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHSqgpQUTdc
240d accelerating/keeping the speed up, 3.07 and speedometer being around 10km/h to low compared to real speed, topspeed = 140km/h.
but the engine is realy freaking torn.
Swampmonkey, do you think you could start a thread about your w115 with turbo 617? I'm curious what you did to relocate the oil filter and stuff like that? I looked at your website but I couldn't really tell too much from the pictures
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
01-30-2014, 04:27 PM
#24
(01-30-2014, 11:11 AM)Greazzer OK,
So, just to confirm:
A 1979 450 SEL 6.9 with a 2:65 LSD is a direct, drop in replacement for the W123?
Please let me know
BioHazard was running a 6.9 2.65 LSD diff in his W123 300D, but he hasn't shown up here in awhile. He was living about 20 miles north of me, we PM'ed back and forth, but I never met him.
Give me a couple days to take care of other pressing business and do a little excavating and I'll photograph the 6.9 2.65 LSD diff which is lurking in my garage. If memory serves, the tang at top rear is shaped differently from the W123 diff, so you need to McGyver-up a custom support bracket solution. Put proper-length axles in, swap over the input flange from your W123, mount it, bolt-up the driveshaft using new bolts and blue Loctite of course, and you're done.
This post was last modified: 01-30-2014, 06:33 PM by JustPassinThru.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-30-2014, 04:27 PM #24(01-30-2014, 11:11 AM)Greazzer OK,
So, just to confirm:
A 1979 450 SEL 6.9 with a 2:65 LSD is a direct, drop in replacement for the W123?
Please let me know
BioHazard was running a 6.9 2.65 LSD diff in his W123 300D, but he hasn't shown up here in awhile. He was living about 20 miles north of me, we PM'ed back and forth, but I never met him.
Give me a couple days to take care of other pressing business and do a little excavating and I'll photograph the 6.9 2.65 LSD diff which is lurking in my garage. If memory serves, the tang at top rear is shaped differently from the W123 diff, so you need to McGyver-up a custom support bracket solution. Put proper-length axles in, swap over the input flange from your W123, mount it, bolt-up the driveshaft using new bolts and blue Loctite of course, and you're done.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
01-30-2014, 06:22 PM
#25
You need to change the flange, and use your old driveshafts, and rotate the "support" 180degrees
Nothing more
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-30-2014, 06:22 PM #25The 2.65 worked great in a w126, and a 2.47LSD in a w123.
You need to change the flange, and use your old driveshafts, and rotate the "support" 180degrees
Nothing more
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-30-2014, 06:44 PM
#26
(01-20-2014, 12:49 PM)DeliveryValve If you happen to stike out and only find 2nd gen stuff, and if you are willing, you can remove the LSD carrier from a 2nd gen and install it in a 1st gen w126 open diff case.
Richard... question.
Can you swap ring gears between the 2.47 and 3.07 or 2.88? That would seem like the ideal solution.
Whatevs... found your answer in PP
DeliveryValve on PeachParts ...the 2.47 LSD carrier for a w126 only fits a 2.47 ring gear.
This post was last modified: 01-30-2014, 07:24 PM by Jooseppi Luna.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
01-30-2014, 06:44 PM #26(01-20-2014, 12:49 PM)DeliveryValve If you happen to stike out and only find 2nd gen stuff, and if you are willing, you can remove the LSD carrier from a 2nd gen and install it in a 1st gen w126 open diff case.
Richard... question.
Can you swap ring gears between the 2.47 and 3.07 or 2.88? That would seem like the ideal solution.
Whatevs... found your answer in PP
DeliveryValve on PeachParts ...the 2.47 LSD carrier for a w126 only fits a 2.47 ring gear.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
01-30-2014, 08:29 PM
#27
(01-30-2014, 06:44 PM)Jooseppi Luna(01-20-2014, 12:49 PM)DeliveryValve If you happen to stike out and only find 2nd gen stuff, and if you are willing, you can remove the LSD carrier from a 2nd gen and install it in a 1st gen w126 open diff case.
Richard... question.
Can you swap ring gears between the 2.47 and 3.07 or 2.88? That would seem like the ideal solution.
Whatevs... found your answer in PP
DeliveryValve on PeachParts ...the 2.47 LSD carrier for a w126 only fits a 2.47 ring gear.
The 2.47 LSD is a 210mm ring gear in a 1.3 Liter housing. The 3.07 and 2.88 is usually a 185mm ring gear in a 1.1 liter housing. But the 3.07 can also be had in a 210mm 1.3 liter housing found in w116 and maybe a r107. The issue now is the placement of the ring gear along the axis as the 2.47 and the 3.07 are placed differently.
There is a possibility you can swap a 2.47 carrier into a 210mm 3.07 by making a custom ring spacer to align the ring and pinion gear properly. This is theory, but I do think it will work.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
01-30-2014, 08:29 PM #27(01-30-2014, 06:44 PM)Jooseppi Luna(01-20-2014, 12:49 PM)DeliveryValve If you happen to stike out and only find 2nd gen stuff, and if you are willing, you can remove the LSD carrier from a 2nd gen and install it in a 1st gen w126 open diff case.
Richard... question.
Can you swap ring gears between the 2.47 and 3.07 or 2.88? That would seem like the ideal solution.
Whatevs... found your answer in PP
DeliveryValve on PeachParts ...the 2.47 LSD carrier for a w126 only fits a 2.47 ring gear.
The 2.47 LSD is a 210mm ring gear in a 1.3 Liter housing. The 3.07 and 2.88 is usually a 185mm ring gear in a 1.1 liter housing. But the 3.07 can also be had in a 210mm 1.3 liter housing found in w116 and maybe a r107. The issue now is the placement of the ring gear along the axis as the 2.47 and the 3.07 are placed differently.
There is a possibility you can swap a 2.47 carrier into a 210mm 3.07 by making a custom ring spacer to align the ring and pinion gear properly. This is theory, but I do think it will work.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
01-30-2014, 09:34 PM
#28
(01-30-2014, 06:22 PM)swampmonkey ...You need to ...rotate the "support" 180degrees
Nothing more
Ah yes, now I remember--you're right, the trick is to just flip the support around 180 degrees. I bought my 6.9 diff about a year ago, had forgotten about this trick, and had not read very far above in this thread.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-30-2014, 09:34 PM #28(01-30-2014, 06:22 PM)swampmonkey ...You need to ...rotate the "support" 180degrees
Nothing more
Ah yes, now I remember--you're right, the trick is to just flip the support around 180 degrees. I bought my 6.9 diff about a year ago, had forgotten about this trick, and had not read very far above in this thread.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
01-30-2014, 10:26 PM
#29
(01-30-2014, 08:29 PM)DeliveryValve The 2.47 LSD is a 210mm ring gear in a 1.3 Liter housing. The 3.07 and 2.88 is usually a 185mm ring gear in a 1.1 liter housing. But the 3.07 can also be had in a 210mm 1.3 liter housing found in w116 and maybe a r107. The issue now is the placement of the ring gear along the axis as the 2.47 and the 3.07 are placed differently.
There is a possibility you can swap a 2.47 carrier into a 210mm 3.07 by making a custom ring spacer to align the ring and pinion gear properly. This is theory, but I do think it will work.
Interesting. So to confirm, the 3.07 and 2.88 diffs found in the W123 and W126 would all be 1.1 L 185 mm diffs but the W116 would be a 1.3 L 210 mm 3.07 diff? There's a W116 300SD parts car located a little bit aways from here for $500... maybe I should look into that more...
Oh, two more questions:
1) At least the 300SDL and maybe the 350SD(L) came with a 2.88. Would this also be a 1.1 L?
2) Why you so smart? :p
Another edit: I see in the diff sticky answers to all my questions:
1) The 300SDL came with a 1.1 L 2.88. The 350 came with a 2.82 1.3 L
2) The 450SE came with a 3.06 or 3.07 rear. The 450SEL came with either the 3.06, 3.07, or 2.65. The 450SL© came with the 3.07 or 2.65.
3) All diesels with 3.07 and 2.88 gear ratios have 1.1 L diffs.
Mark, that 2.82 might work pretty well for you if you can find one... although then I suppose you would need to use the axles from that car too... and who knows if those would fit... yikes...
This post was last modified: 01-30-2014, 10:51 PM by Jooseppi Luna.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
01-30-2014, 10:26 PM #29(01-30-2014, 08:29 PM)DeliveryValve The 2.47 LSD is a 210mm ring gear in a 1.3 Liter housing. The 3.07 and 2.88 is usually a 185mm ring gear in a 1.1 liter housing. But the 3.07 can also be had in a 210mm 1.3 liter housing found in w116 and maybe a r107. The issue now is the placement of the ring gear along the axis as the 2.47 and the 3.07 are placed differently.
There is a possibility you can swap a 2.47 carrier into a 210mm 3.07 by making a custom ring spacer to align the ring and pinion gear properly. This is theory, but I do think it will work.
Interesting. So to confirm, the 3.07 and 2.88 diffs found in the W123 and W126 would all be 1.1 L 185 mm diffs but the W116 would be a 1.3 L 210 mm 3.07 diff? There's a W116 300SD parts car located a little bit aways from here for $500... maybe I should look into that more...
Oh, two more questions:
1) At least the 300SDL and maybe the 350SD(L) came with a 2.88. Would this also be a 1.1 L?
2) Why you so smart? :p
Another edit: I see in the diff sticky answers to all my questions:
1) The 300SDL came with a 1.1 L 2.88. The 350 came with a 2.82 1.3 L
2) The 450SE came with a 3.06 or 3.07 rear. The 450SEL came with either the 3.06, 3.07, or 2.65. The 450SL© came with the 3.07 or 2.65.
3) All diesels with 3.07 and 2.88 gear ratios have 1.1 L diffs.
Mark, that 2.82 might work pretty well for you if you can find one... although then I suppose you would need to use the axles from that car too... and who knows if those would fit... yikes...
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
01-31-2014, 03:21 AM
#30
(01-19-2014, 06:59 PM)swampmonkey ...a 2.47 w126gen1 LSD differential on a w123 with an om606. worked good, except the extra torque on the gearbox killed it. probably aiming for a 2.82 or 3.07LSD and a sixspeed 530d gearbox...
Since I wanted an automatic so my wife could drive it, my plan was to use the 722.311 transmission out of a 1985 Euro-spec 500SE.
1985 Euro 500SE = 245 hp, vehicle weight 3500 pounds (Wikipedia says this engine's output is only 220, but the dealer import manifest said 245; other web sources say 242).
1977 Euro 6.9 = 286 hp, vehicle weight 5300 pounds.
My 1985 300D with larger IP elements, turned up to 95 cc/K = 200 hp, vehicle weight 3250 pounds.
So, I figured, this tranny+diff would easily handle the added power with no need to mix-'n'-match internal parts on the diff, nor build up the tranny. Starter is on the correct (right) side of the 722.311, but I never got as far as actually figuring out how to control shifting.
This post was last modified: 02-02-2014, 01:33 PM by JustPassinThru.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-31-2014, 03:21 AM #30(01-19-2014, 06:59 PM)swampmonkey ...a 2.47 w126gen1 LSD differential on a w123 with an om606. worked good, except the extra torque on the gearbox killed it. probably aiming for a 2.82 or 3.07LSD and a sixspeed 530d gearbox...
Since I wanted an automatic so my wife could drive it, my plan was to use the 722.311 transmission out of a 1985 Euro-spec 500SE.
1985 Euro 500SE = 245 hp, vehicle weight 3500 pounds (Wikipedia says this engine's output is only 220, but the dealer import manifest said 245; other web sources say 242).
1977 Euro 6.9 = 286 hp, vehicle weight 5300 pounds.
My 1985 300D with larger IP elements, turned up to 95 cc/K = 200 hp, vehicle weight 3250 pounds.
So, I figured, this tranny+diff would easily handle the added power with no need to mix-'n'-match internal parts on the diff, nor build up the tranny. Starter is on the correct (right) side of the 722.311, but I never got as far as actually figuring out how to control shifting.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
01-31-2014, 07:43 AM
#31
(01-30-2014, 10:26 PM)Jooseppi Luna Richard... question.
Can you swap ring gears between the 2.47 and 3.07 or 2.88? That would seem like the ideal solution.
just out of curiosity, is the gen2 differentials so much easier to find, or why do you want to change the internals?
seeing that the earlier do fit straight away? can't say the gen2 are much easier to find over here in sweden atleast.
(the 1.1 liter housings seem strong enough to me, 3.69 welded survived a lot of hard driving with om606 530whp, and my 3.07 lives fine behind a om602 turbo 220whp fivespeed.
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w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
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swampmonkey
01-31-2014, 07:43 AM #31(01-30-2014, 10:26 PM)Jooseppi Luna Richard... question.
Can you swap ring gears between the 2.47 and 3.07 or 2.88? That would seem like the ideal solution.
just out of curiosity, is the gen2 differentials so much easier to find, or why do you want to change the internals?
seeing that the earlier do fit straight away? can't say the gen2 are much easier to find over here in sweden atleast.
(the 1.1 liter housings seem strong enough to me, 3.69 welded survived a lot of hard driving with om606 530whp, and my 3.07 lives fine behind a om602 turbo 220whp fivespeed.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-31-2014, 08:32 AM
#32
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
01-31-2014, 08:32 AM #32The 2.47 is the easiest-to-find LSD around here, but I think that gear ration will be too low for the car. My quest for the LSD was at first based in reason, since we live in snow country, but now it has become mostly an irrational obsession to figure out SOME cheap way to get a LSD.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
01-31-2014, 10:53 AM
#33
"One that got away" story: whilst I was looking for a 6.9 diff, I found one through a nationwide yard network, at a yard in south Texas, right on the Mexican border. Price: $60. I called the yard. Nobody there spoke anything but Spanish. One guy came to the phone and said, in heavily accented Spanglish, "It's just the pumpkin! No axles!" (actually, more like "Eats Joes de punkin! No assholes!") to which I replied, "I want to buy it. Can you ship it?" and he hung up on me.
Biohazard was very satisfied with his 6.9 diff.
This post was last modified: 01-31-2014, 09:14 PM by JustPassinThru.
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W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-31-2014, 10:53 AM #33I'm listing my 6.9 diff in the FS section, my "Selling everything" thread, for $500 with local pickup only. But, truth is, if someone were to offer me $1000 (***EDITED: make that $750***), shipped, I'm sure I could find the crate it was shipped to me in (actually, it's at my mom's house in Renton, I have camshafts et cetera in it which have probably rusted to scrap by now).
"One that got away" story: whilst I was looking for a 6.9 diff, I found one through a nationwide yard network, at a yard in south Texas, right on the Mexican border. Price: $60. I called the yard. Nobody there spoke anything but Spanish. One guy came to the phone and said, in heavily accented Spanglish, "It's just the pumpkin! No axles!" (actually, more like "Eats Joes de punkin! No assholes!") to which I replied, "I want to buy it. Can you ship it?" and he hung up on me.
Biohazard was very satisfied with his 6.9 diff.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
01-31-2014, 12:58 PM
#34
Getting close to the target: a 1979 450 SEL 6.9 -- just need to confirm that it has the 2:65 LSD?
Thanks again for the info.
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As for shipping, you can easily and safely ship in a 5 gallon bucket and lid. Being a dumpster diver, you can get "free" high density foam in most dumpsters by stores, and pack the bottom, sides, and top. Get the real lid for the bucket and not the cheapy, thin deal from Loews or Home Depot and you can wrap a ton of duck tape around it and the lid, and it will ship fine. Shipping is about $40 bucks from S.C. to the midwest. Add another $20 to zones 8 and 9. Just an FYI. I have shipped a number of 2.88 diff this way and never an issue. Plus, you got a nice handle to tote it around.
Getting close to the target: a 1979 450 SEL 6.9 -- just need to confirm that it has the 2:65 LSD?
Thanks again for the info.
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01-31-2014, 02:12 PM
#35
(01-31-2014, 12:58 PM)Greazzer Getting close to the target: a 1979 450 SEL 6.9 -- just need to confirm that it has the 2:65 LSD?
Thanks again for the info.
should be a 2.65LSD
the 6.9 never had anything else unless someone has already swapped it had some luck when i bought mine, paid like 350USD including shipping
you still have to change the spacer-washer when changing flange (or buy a lottery ticket and retighten the old
)
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w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
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swampmonkey
01-31-2014, 02:12 PM #35(01-31-2014, 12:58 PM)Greazzer Getting close to the target: a 1979 450 SEL 6.9 -- just need to confirm that it has the 2:65 LSD?
Thanks again for the info.
should be a 2.65LSD
the 6.9 never had anything else unless someone has already swapped it had some luck when i bought mine, paid like 350USD including shipping
you still have to change the spacer-washer when changing flange (or buy a lottery ticket and retighten the old
)
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-31-2014, 03:03 PM
#36
What do you mean by spacer-washer ? Also, I saw on Benzworldo dot org where someone did the swap, and indicated there was an issue with shims ? What the heck are they talking about.
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
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Swampmonkey or DeliveryValve, or whomever ...
What do you mean by spacer-washer ? Also, I saw on Benzworldo dot org where someone did the swap, and indicated there was an issue with shims ? What the heck are they talking about.
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
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01-31-2014, 04:41 PM
#37
(01-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Greazzer Swampmonkey or DeliveryValve, or whomever ...
What do you mean by spacer-washer ? Also, I saw on Benzworldo dot org where someone did the swap, and indicated there was an issue with shims ? What the heck are they talking about.
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
shims, those shims that sits at the half-axels/driveshafts on the side that goes into the differential, some of them can be 0.3mm and some 2.5mm thick, with a new diff it might not be possible to use your old, they are either to thin, or to thick, if you have a couple of spare driveshafts/differentials and a way to get a couple of different sizes you can probably get it going anyway, the same problem you have when shifting a w123 diff for another w123 diff...
w123 half-axels shouldnt be to long, that is NOT a problem, nevermind that. the larger differential aswell as the smaller have the same width regarding half-shaft wise.
spacer-washer, i meant spacer bushing..
http://media.mbturbo.com/2014/01/parts-rearend-1.jpg
that one. sits inside the seal-ring at the front, so you need to change that to, (holds the small gear in the diff chrown whatever)
you do that when you change the flange, or you can go without doing it.
but that is kindof risky.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-31-2014, 04:41 PM #37(01-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Greazzer Swampmonkey or DeliveryValve, or whomever ...
What do you mean by spacer-washer ? Also, I saw on Benzworldo dot org where someone did the swap, and indicated there was an issue with shims ? What the heck are they talking about.
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
shims, those shims that sits at the half-axels/driveshafts on the side that goes into the differential, some of them can be 0.3mm and some 2.5mm thick, with a new diff it might not be possible to use your old, they are either to thin, or to thick, if you have a couple of spare driveshafts/differentials and a way to get a couple of different sizes you can probably get it going anyway, the same problem you have when shifting a w123 diff for another w123 diff...
w123 half-axels shouldnt be to long, that is NOT a problem, nevermind that. the larger differential aswell as the smaller have the same width regarding half-shaft wise.
spacer-washer, i meant spacer bushing..
http://media.mbturbo.com/2014/01/parts-rearend-1.jpg
that one. sits inside the seal-ring at the front, so you need to change that to, (holds the small gear in the diff chrown whatever)
you do that when you change the flange, or you can go without doing it.
but that is kindof risky.
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-31-2014, 04:51 PM
#38
Well, waiting on confirmation from the seller right now to make sure it's a 2:65 LSD, has the ID tag, et cet., and some pictures. Actually, I am buying an entire 6.9 (M100) 450SEL 1979 if everything falls into place.
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OK, got it.
Well, waiting on confirmation from the seller right now to make sure it's a 2:65 LSD, has the ID tag, et cet., and some pictures. Actually, I am buying an entire 6.9 (M100) 450SEL 1979 if everything falls into place.
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01-31-2014, 05:38 PM
#39
(01-31-2014, 04:51 PM)Greazzer OK, got it.
Well, waiting on confirmation from the seller right now to make sure it's a 2:65 LSD, has the ID tag, et cet., and some pictures. Actually, I am buying an entire 6.9 (M100) 450SEL 1979 if everything falls into place.
if you are parting out parts, i know of guys that probably would be interested
and supply me with an email and il email you a partslist aswell as a blueprint/whatever it is called of the differential. (over pm)
il try and upload it later on online.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-31-2014, 05:38 PM #39(01-31-2014, 04:51 PM)Greazzer OK, got it.
Well, waiting on confirmation from the seller right now to make sure it's a 2:65 LSD, has the ID tag, et cet., and some pictures. Actually, I am buying an entire 6.9 (M100) 450SEL 1979 if everything falls into place.
if you are parting out parts, i know of guys that probably would be interested
and supply me with an email and il email you a partslist aswell as a blueprint/whatever it is called of the differential. (over pm)
il try and upload it later on online.
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-31-2014, 06:44 PM
#40
(01-31-2014, 12:58 PM)Greazzer As for shipping, you can easily and safely ship in a 5 gallon bucket...
I wouldn't dare risk damaging it by shipping it in a bucket. The only way I'd ship it would be in a well-cushioned wooden crate, on an Old Dominion Freight Lines truck. But I suppose you're right, $500 for the packing and shipping is a little high. Make the price $750 then.
Photos, Post # 37 of my "Selling everything" thread. Note the 2.65 stamp and SP which stands for ...um, "Sperröl" I think. Special oil for limited slip differentials.
Looks like you'll get yours delivered though in a complete 6.9. Congratulations!
@swampmonkey: I'd like to have that diagram too! ***update: THANK YOU for the diagram!***
This post was last modified: 02-01-2014, 04:21 PM by JustPassinThru.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-31-2014, 06:44 PM #40(01-31-2014, 12:58 PM)Greazzer As for shipping, you can easily and safely ship in a 5 gallon bucket...
I wouldn't dare risk damaging it by shipping it in a bucket. The only way I'd ship it would be in a well-cushioned wooden crate, on an Old Dominion Freight Lines truck. But I suppose you're right, $500 for the packing and shipping is a little high. Make the price $750 then.
Photos, Post # 37 of my "Selling everything" thread. Note the 2.65 stamp and SP which stands for ...um, "Sperröl" I think. Special oil for limited slip differentials.
Looks like you'll get yours delivered though in a complete 6.9. Congratulations!
@swampmonkey: I'd like to have that diagram too! ***update: THANK YOU for the diagram!***
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
01-31-2014, 07:42 PM
#41
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A 5 gallon bucket with lid is almost crush proof. In any event, that is what I did and they made it safe and sound. I will post some pictures of my LSD candidate tomorrow hopefully.
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01-31-2014, 08:34 PM
#42
(01-31-2014, 07:42 PM)Greazzer A 5 gallon bucket with lid is almost crush proof. In any event, that is what I did and they made it safe and sound.
Even though it would probably arrive safe and sound, I still wouldn't ship a priceless diamond in an egg carton. This badboy weighs more than 100 pounds.
This post was last modified: 01-31-2014, 08:51 PM by JustPassinThru.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-31-2014, 08:34 PM #42(01-31-2014, 07:42 PM)Greazzer A 5 gallon bucket with lid is almost crush proof. In any event, that is what I did and they made it safe and sound.
Even though it would probably arrive safe and sound, I still wouldn't ship a priceless diamond in an egg carton. This badboy weighs more than 100 pounds.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
01-31-2014, 08:45 PM
#43
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Wowza ... a 2:88 is no where near that. That is double a 2:88. Maybe a bucket wouldnt work for the LSD flavor then.
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01-31-2014, 09:30 PM
#44
No, I don't think a bucket would work. But thanks for giving me the best laugh I've had all week
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W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
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01-31-2014, 09:30 PM #44 No, I don't think a bucket would work. But thanks for giving me the best laugh I've had all week
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
02-01-2014, 11:35 AM
#45
(01-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Greazzer ...
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
It probably doesn't matter because several have had success using the stock axles.
But my reasoning comes from w116 and w126 experiences. They both have about a 1 inch shorter length for the 1.3L axles compared to the 1.1L axles. I would think the added length would have some long term irregular wear in the joint. But then again, nobody has never reported anything.
(01-31-2014, 07:42 PM)Greazzer A 5 gallon bucket with lid is almost crush proof. In any event, that is what I did and they made it safe and sound. ...
I tried shipping a diff in a bucket and that was a waste of time. I got turned away both from FedEx and USPS. One said it was unstable to stand alone in a moving trailer. They rather have flat sides on the shipping container. So I just boxed it up and all was well.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
02-01-2014, 11:35 AM #45(01-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Greazzer ...
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
It probably doesn't matter because several have had success using the stock axles.
But my reasoning comes from w116 and w126 experiences. They both have about a 1 inch shorter length for the 1.3L axles compared to the 1.1L axles. I would think the added length would have some long term irregular wear in the joint. But then again, nobody has never reported anything.
(01-31-2014, 07:42 PM)Greazzer A 5 gallon bucket with lid is almost crush proof. In any event, that is what I did and they made it safe and sound. ...
I tried shipping a diff in a bucket and that was a waste of time. I got turned away both from FedEx and USPS. One said it was unstable to stand alone in a moving trailer. They rather have flat sides on the shipping container. So I just boxed it up and all was well.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
02-01-2014, 04:06 PM
#46
(02-01-2014, 11:35 AM)DeliveryValve(01-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Greazzer ...
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
It probably doesn't matter because several have had success using the stock axles.
But my reasoning comes from w116 and w126 experiences. They both have about a 1 inch shorter length for the 1.3L axles compared to the 1.1L axles. I would think the added length would have some long term irregular wear in the joint. But then again, nobody has never reported anything.
(01-31-2014, 07:42 PM)Greazzer A 5 gallon bucket with lid is almost crush proof. In any event, that is what I did and they made it safe and sound. ...
I tried shipping a diff in a bucket and that was a waste of time. I got turned away both from FedEx and USPS. One said it was unstable to stand alone in a moving trailer. They rather have flat sides on the shipping container. So I just boxed it up and all was well.
hmm, good point, but the same difference could possibly be accuired when lowering or getting higher springs at the back to...
i have measured, and can measure again the with of the rearend, and i was pretty shure they had the exact same with, 3.69 w115 and 2.65LSD wisch was what i shifted back then, either way, can check again, but i dont think the width are different.
(dont have the w115 equiped with the 2.65 at home right now, but can measure both a 2.47 gen2, gen 1 and a regular 3.46 w123 diff)
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
02-01-2014, 04:06 PM #46(02-01-2014, 11:35 AM)DeliveryValve(01-31-2014, 03:03 PM)Greazzer ...
Also, Richard indicated that the W123 half axles are too long. Does that really matter ?
It probably doesn't matter because several have had success using the stock axles.
But my reasoning comes from w116 and w126 experiences. They both have about a 1 inch shorter length for the 1.3L axles compared to the 1.1L axles. I would think the added length would have some long term irregular wear in the joint. But then again, nobody has never reported anything.
(01-31-2014, 07:42 PM)Greazzer A 5 gallon bucket with lid is almost crush proof. In any event, that is what I did and they made it safe and sound. ...
I tried shipping a diff in a bucket and that was a waste of time. I got turned away both from FedEx and USPS. One said it was unstable to stand alone in a moving trailer. They rather have flat sides on the shipping container. So I just boxed it up and all was well.
hmm, good point, but the same difference could possibly be accuired when lowering or getting higher springs at the back to...
i have measured, and can measure again the with of the rearend, and i was pretty shure they had the exact same with, 3.69 w115 and 2.65LSD wisch was what i shifted back then, either way, can check again, but i dont think the width are different.
(dont have the w115 equiped with the 2.65 at home right now, but can measure both a 2.47 gen2, gen 1 and a regular 3.46 w123 diff)
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02-02-2014, 11:50 AM
#47
Getting close maybe ...
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RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
Here is a picture of the differential. What is that canister on the side of the differential ? Got a pic of the VIN plate too. Can anything be told from the VIN ?
Getting close maybe ...
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Image(s)Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
02-02-2014, 01:12 PM
#48
This is a screenshot of the relevant page from the EPC. 1:2.65 diff. Doesn't reproduce very well.
![[Image: vin_zps3a03d269.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/vin_zps3a03d269.jpg.html)
Also doing a vin decode shows up nothing untoward.
This post was last modified: 02-02-2014, 01:20 PM by Druk.
02-02-2014, 02:13 PM
#49
11603612006862
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
I tried a number of sites plugging in the following VIN, and nothing ? Says it's not valid ?
11603612006862
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
02-02-2014, 05:17 PM
#50
(02-02-2014, 02:13 PM)Greazzer I tried a number of sites plugging in the following VIN, and nothing ? Says it's not valid ?
11603612006862
That's the vin I used above^ in the Merc EPC to get the info I posted. Although it's faint, if you look in the box top left in the pic it's your vin that's there. It works fine in the official site. What else do you need to know? (although it doesn't give a lot). Sent you a PM.
This post was last modified: 02-02-2014, 05:23 PM by Druk.
(02-02-2014, 02:13 PM)Greazzer I tried a number of sites plugging in the following VIN, and nothing ? Says it's not valid ?
11603612006862
That's the vin I used above^ in the Merc EPC to get the info I posted. Although it's faint, if you look in the box top left in the pic it's your vin that's there. It works fine in the official site. What else do you need to know? (although it doesn't give a lot). Sent you a PM.
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