STD Other Projects Syncro_G's G-wagen

Syncro_G's G-wagen

Syncro_G's G-wagen

 
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
 
Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
07-28-2009, 12:41 AM #1
I bought this G-wagen in 2007 with the intention of changing it to diesel.
I wanted a rust-free, good condition truck to start with and spent half a year looking before getting this one.

The engine plan is..
gas > diesel > biodiesel > WVO > horsepower.
with the hope of getting about 200 HP without sacrificing mpg or reliability.

   

I'm still working out fitment details with the engine swap. I wasn't happy with the stock engine position and various other brackets that don't seem to fit perfectly in the conversion.

Overall, it's a pretty fun project vehicle.
BTW, that's the donor car in the background. It had 53K miles on it before getting T-boned.
This post was last modified: 07-28-2009, 12:45 AM by Syncro_G.
Attached Files
Image(s)
   

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
07-28-2009, 12:41 AM #1

I bought this G-wagen in 2007 with the intention of changing it to diesel.
I wanted a rust-free, good condition truck to start with and spent half a year looking before getting this one.

The engine plan is..
gas > diesel > biodiesel > WVO > horsepower.
with the hope of getting about 200 HP without sacrificing mpg or reliability.

   

I'm still working out fitment details with the engine swap. I wasn't happy with the stock engine position and various other brackets that don't seem to fit perfectly in the conversion.

Overall, it's a pretty fun project vehicle.


BTW, that's the donor car in the background. It had 53K miles on it before getting T-boned.

Attached Files
Image(s)
   

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

MB TECH
GT2559V

188
07-28-2009, 01:14 PM #2
thats sharp, awesome job! could you send a couple pics of the engine bay?

1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

MB TECH
07-28-2009, 01:14 PM #2

thats sharp, awesome job! could you send a couple pics of the engine bay?


1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

DeliveryValve
Superturbo

1,338
07-28-2009, 11:23 PM #3
Both of those vehicles look great! Too bad the TD got T-Boned. I was thinking how convenient, but I am sure you weren't thinking that! That car is too nice to tear apart.



BTW - Is the front sway bar from that TD salvageable? If so, do you want to sell it?
This post was last modified: 07-28-2009, 11:24 PM by DeliveryValve.

Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



.
DeliveryValve
07-28-2009, 11:23 PM #3

Both of those vehicles look great! Too bad the TD got T-Boned. I was thinking how convenient, but I am sure you weren't thinking that! That car is too nice to tear apart.



BTW - Is the front sway bar from that TD salvageable? If so, do you want to sell it?


Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



.

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
07-28-2009, 11:30 PM #4
(07-28-2009, 01:14 PM)MB TECH thats sharp, awesome job! could you send a couple pics of the engine bay?

I don't have many pictures of the engine bay yet. here's the engine with the harness and cardboard scratch guards still in place (I haven't removed it since the engine coming back out shortly)
   

and here is the engine as it's going in (with a buddy's white G in the background)
   
(07-28-2009, 11:23 PM)DeliveryValve Too bad the TD got T-Boned.
yeah, my thinking too but it would have been out of my price range if it hadn't been t-boned.

Quote:
BTW - Is the front sway bar from that TD salvageable? If so, do you want to sell it?
I'm pretty sure its good but I might have a local buyer for what remains. In anycase, I'm sitting on the car until the G is dialed in -- just in case there's something else I need. After that, I'll let you know.
This post was last modified: 07-28-2009, 11:39 PM by Syncro_G.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
07-28-2009, 11:30 PM #4

(07-28-2009, 01:14 PM)MB TECH thats sharp, awesome job! could you send a couple pics of the engine bay?

I don't have many pictures of the engine bay yet. here's the engine with the harness and cardboard scratch guards still in place (I haven't removed it since the engine coming back out shortly)
   

and here is the engine as it's going in (with a buddy's white G in the background)
   
(07-28-2009, 11:23 PM)DeliveryValve Too bad the TD got T-Boned.
yeah, my thinking too but it would have been out of my price range if it hadn't been t-boned.

Quote:
BTW - Is the front sway bar from that TD salvageable? If so, do you want to sell it?
I'm pretty sure its good but I might have a local buyer for what remains. In anycase, I'm sitting on the car until the G is dialed in -- just in case there's something else I need. After that, I'll let you know.


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
10-12-2009, 12:01 AM #5
Update: worked intermittently through the summer, designed new engine mounts that I'll be offering to the G-wagen community soon (through gwagenpreserve.com)

Solved some nagging fitment problems and now have the engine back the truck for final assembly. Still have a few more brackets, a power steering hose and a drive shaft to cut down but most everything looks straight forward now.

engine mounts:
   

engine in truck:
   

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
10-12-2009, 12:01 AM #5

Update: worked intermittently through the summer, designed new engine mounts that I'll be offering to the G-wagen community soon (through gwagenpreserve.com)

Solved some nagging fitment problems and now have the engine back the truck for final assembly. Still have a few more brackets, a power steering hose and a drive shaft to cut down but most everything looks straight forward now.

engine mounts:
   

engine in truck:
   


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
10-12-2009, 01:11 PM #6
Did you compare the arms to the SD ones by any chance? Or were you sure the om617 gwagen arms were specific for the gwagen?

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
10-12-2009, 01:11 PM #6

Did you compare the arms to the SD ones by any chance? Or were you sure the om617 gwagen arms were specific for the gwagen?


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
10-13-2009, 04:12 AM #7
(10-12-2009, 01:11 PM)winmutt Did you compare the arms to the SD ones by any chance? Or were you sure the om617 gwagen arms were specific for the gwagen?

The mounts are totally different. The mount shape is different and so is the locations for the perches. The G uses really big heavy duty mounts that look more like the tranny triangle mount. the chassis rails are also closer together and one is about 4 inches higher than the other and further forward.

Here's the right side mount in place using the cast iron mount arm from the 300GD (non-turbo 617 version). the bolt hits the wastegate actuator in this position - one of a list of reasons for making custom mounts.
   
This post was last modified: 10-13-2009, 04:17 AM by Syncro_G.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
10-13-2009, 04:12 AM #7

(10-12-2009, 01:11 PM)winmutt Did you compare the arms to the SD ones by any chance? Or were you sure the om617 gwagen arms were specific for the gwagen?

The mounts are totally different. The mount shape is different and so is the locations for the perches. The G uses really big heavy duty mounts that look more like the tranny triangle mount. the chassis rails are also closer together and one is about 4 inches higher than the other and further forward.

Here's the right side mount in place using the cast iron mount arm from the 300GD (non-turbo 617 version). the bolt hits the wastegate actuator in this position - one of a list of reasons for making custom mounts.
   


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
10-13-2009, 11:22 AM #8
Did you use the GWagen 617 oil pan?

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
10-13-2009, 11:22 AM #8

Did you use the GWagen 617 oil pan?


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
10-13-2009, 09:26 PM #9
(10-13-2009, 11:22 AM)winmutt Did you use the GWagen 617 oil pan?

I haven't had the opportunity to compare the two but those who have say there are enough differences that it's not worth trying to use it.
Also, many people think that having a two piece pan with steel in the sump is much better than the one piece cast aluminum pan from the N/A 617 when out in the field. If you dent the sedan pan, you can beat it out with a hammer or rock while with the cast one, you're screwed.

also the TD pan has lots of gussetting to the rear that helps with the torque to the transmission.
This post was last modified: 10-13-2009, 09:27 PM by Syncro_G.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
10-13-2009, 09:26 PM #9

(10-13-2009, 11:22 AM)winmutt Did you use the GWagen 617 oil pan?

I haven't had the opportunity to compare the two but those who have say there are enough differences that it's not worth trying to use it.
Also, many people think that having a two piece pan with steel in the sump is much better than the one piece cast aluminum pan from the N/A 617 when out in the field. If you dent the sedan pan, you can beat it out with a hammer or rock while with the cast one, you're screwed.

also the TD pan has lots of gussetting to the rear that helps with the torque to the transmission.


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
10-14-2009, 03:14 PM #10
Dont you people carry JB weld? Fixed my friends BMW oil pan with that (solid aluminum 1 piece). I can see the argument though, the steel pan is dirty cheap and easy to find.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
10-14-2009, 03:14 PM #10

Dont you people carry JB weld? Fixed my friends BMW oil pan with that (solid aluminum 1 piece). I can see the argument though, the steel pan is dirty cheap and easy to find.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

ForcedInduction
Banned

3,628
10-14-2009, 11:06 PM #11
(10-14-2009, 03:14 PM)winmutt the steel pan is dirty cheap

Yep, costs about $7 more than it's gasket. Rolleyes
ForcedInduction
10-14-2009, 11:06 PM #11

(10-14-2009, 03:14 PM)winmutt the steel pan is dirty cheap

Yep, costs about $7 more than it's gasket. Rolleyes

SurfRodder
Jackass Extraordinaire

611
10-15-2009, 02:38 AM #12
(10-14-2009, 11:06 PM)ForcedInduction
(10-14-2009, 03:14 PM)winmutt the steel pan is dirty cheap

Yep, costs about $7 more than it's gasket. Rolleyes

the fukkin local part yard tried to charge me 40 bux for one (which I almost did 'cause I needed it) but I told them to shove it and the next day discovered my (now regular) new parts place and got one for ~20... brand new vs. slightly beat up... anyway, I though it was just a NOS fluke of some sort, but its good to hear thats a repeatable price.

W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62
SurfRodder
10-15-2009, 02:38 AM #12

(10-14-2009, 11:06 PM)ForcedInduction
(10-14-2009, 03:14 PM)winmutt the steel pan is dirty cheap

Yep, costs about $7 more than it's gasket. Rolleyes

the fukkin local part yard tried to charge me 40 bux for one (which I almost did 'cause I needed it) but I told them to shove it and the next day discovered my (now regular) new parts place and got one for ~20... brand new vs. slightly beat up... anyway, I though it was just a NOS fluke of some sort, but its good to hear thats a repeatable price.


W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62

ForcedInduction
Banned

3,628
10-15-2009, 03:16 AM #13
(10-15-2009, 02:38 AM)SurfRodder but its good to hear thats a repeatable price.

My post was kind of an inside joke. On Tuesday I needed the lower pan gasket and the local stealership wanted $45 for it and only $7 more for the lower pan itself.
I ended up ordering the gasket and a bunch of other stuff online for the same $45 as the dealer's gasket alone.
This post was last modified: 10-15-2009, 03:18 AM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
10-15-2009, 03:16 AM #13

(10-15-2009, 02:38 AM)SurfRodder but its good to hear thats a repeatable price.

My post was kind of an inside joke. On Tuesday I needed the lower pan gasket and the local stealership wanted $45 for it and only $7 more for the lower pan itself.
I ended up ordering the gasket and a bunch of other stuff online for the same $45 as the dealer's gasket alone.

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
12-11-2009, 01:42 AM #14
Good news - Got the engine running last weekend and had the truck certified diesel this morning. It's still running a bit rough - need to go back over the valve clearances and injector pressures because the idle feels like it's going to knock my fillings loose. Not getting full throttle yet - still need to tweak the linkage.
But horse power is there - feels better than the gas motor ever did.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
12-11-2009, 01:42 AM #14

Good news - Got the engine running last weekend and had the truck certified diesel this morning. It's still running a bit rough - need to go back over the valve clearances and injector pressures because the idle feels like it's going to knock my fillings loose. Not getting full throttle yet - still need to tweak the linkage.
But horse power is there - feels better than the gas motor ever did.


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

SurfRodder
Jackass Extraordinaire

611
12-11-2009, 11:33 AM #15
That's awesome brotha! Nice work, when you get the bugs worked out, post a vid.

W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62
SurfRodder
12-11-2009, 11:33 AM #15

That's awesome brotha! Nice work, when you get the bugs worked out, post a vid.


W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
01-02-2010, 01:38 PM #16
(12-11-2009, 01:42 AM)Syncro_G It's still running a bit rough

Still sorting out details. Engine idles like glass now.
The roughness turned out to be residual gas. took a couple tanks to smooth it out.

I need to make some room under the hood so I'm going to remove the EGR system but need to figure out how to keep the vacuum amplifier to transmission properly hooked up.
   
   
   
This post was last modified: 01-02-2010, 01:42 PM by Syncro_G.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
01-02-2010, 01:38 PM #16

(12-11-2009, 01:42 AM)Syncro_G It's still running a bit rough

Still sorting out details. Engine idles like glass now.
The roughness turned out to be residual gas. took a couple tanks to smooth it out.

I need to make some room under the hood so I'm going to remove the EGR system but need to figure out how to keep the vacuum amplifier to transmission properly hooked up.
   
   
   


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

ForcedInduction
Banned

3,628
01-03-2010, 06:34 AM #17
That air filter is begging for a snorkel....
ForcedInduction
01-03-2010, 06:34 AM #17

That air filter is begging for a snorkel....

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
01-03-2010, 10:41 AM #18
(01-03-2010, 06:34 AM)ForcedInduction That air filter is begging for a snorkel....
It's an easy mod with this air filter but in doing the engine swap, I nolonger have a waterproofed engine and transmission.
Putting the iron 5-speed in should get it mostly ready.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
01-03-2010, 10:41 AM #18

(01-03-2010, 06:34 AM)ForcedInduction That air filter is begging for a snorkel....
It's an easy mod with this air filter but in doing the engine swap, I nolonger have a waterproofed engine and transmission.
Putting the iron 5-speed in should get it mostly ready.


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
02-27-2010, 06:53 PM #19
I've done a bit more work since the previous post -
- deleted EGR
- smaller SD water pump pulley (thanks DeliveryValve!)
- dual batteries (so I can suck away even more horsepower from the drivetrain)
- new heater hoses
(still haven't hooked up the pyrometer - I'm hoping to get a w115 intake soon and want to do all of that at the same time)

   

BTW, a moderator can move this thread to the trucks section - (I didn't realize there was an MB trucks forum when I started this thread)
This post was last modified: 02-27-2010, 06:58 PM by Syncro_G.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
02-27-2010, 06:53 PM #19

I've done a bit more work since the previous post -
- deleted EGR
- smaller SD water pump pulley (thanks DeliveryValve!)
- dual batteries (so I can suck away even more horsepower from the drivetrain)
- new heater hoses
(still haven't hooked up the pyrometer - I'm hoping to get a w115 intake soon and want to do all of that at the same time)

   

BTW, a moderator can move this thread to the trucks section - (I didn't realize there was an MB trucks forum when I started this thread)


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

ForcedInduction
Banned

3,628
02-28-2010, 07:18 AM #20
(02-27-2010, 06:53 PM)Syncro_G BTW, a moderator can move this thread to the trucks section - (I didn't realize there was an MB trucks forum when I started this thread)

Its a profile of your vehicle, its where it should be.
ForcedInduction
02-28-2010, 07:18 AM #20

(02-27-2010, 06:53 PM)Syncro_G BTW, a moderator can move this thread to the trucks section - (I didn't realize there was an MB trucks forum when I started this thread)

Its a profile of your vehicle, its where it should be.

DeliveryValve
Superturbo

1,338
02-28-2010, 06:45 PM #21
I have say... That is one nice factory-esque looking engine compartment. Great job!





.

Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



.
DeliveryValve
02-28-2010, 06:45 PM #21

I have say... That is one nice factory-esque looking engine compartment. Great job!





.


Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



.

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
03-01-2010, 12:26 AM #22
(02-28-2010, 06:45 PM)DeliveryValve I have say... That is one nice factory-esque looking engine compartment. Great job!

Thanks! That was the hope all along. I went to some effort to re-use brackets and bolts from the donor w123 car and there's a number of parts from the 300GD that are direct bolt on. So between the two and some patience, it can look pretty much like it would have if it were a factory motor.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
03-01-2010, 12:26 AM #22

(02-28-2010, 06:45 PM)DeliveryValve I have say... That is one nice factory-esque looking engine compartment. Great job!

Thanks! That was the hope all along. I went to some effort to re-use brackets and bolts from the donor w123 car and there's a number of parts from the 300GD that are direct bolt on. So between the two and some patience, it can look pretty much like it would have if it were a factory motor.


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
04-07-2010, 12:28 AM #23
OK, engine bay (and rest of truck) is no-longer immaculate...
   

Last weekend I rode through some very muddy trails along the Humbolt Co. "Lost Coast" It was a hoot - lots of fast paced trail driving and a few deep mud bogs to tow each other through.

   

   

And the last outlook before the light was gone...
   

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
04-07-2010, 12:28 AM #23

OK, engine bay (and rest of truck) is no-longer immaculate...
   

Last weekend I rode through some very muddy trails along the Humbolt Co. "Lost Coast" It was a hoot - lots of fast paced trail driving and a few deep mud bogs to tow each other through.

   

   

And the last outlook before the light was gone...
   


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

MB TECH
GT2559V

188
04-07-2010, 12:49 PM #24
Does the 617 give you enough power through the trails and mud bogs?

1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

MB TECH
04-07-2010, 12:49 PM #24

Does the 617 give you enough power through the trails and mud bogs?


1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

fj four o
Naturally-aspirated

17
04-07-2010, 07:36 PM #25
man, i hope you say "yes!"
i'm in the process of swapping an om617 into my fj40.

nice work on the swap, i can really appreciate the amount of thought and planning you put into it.

(04-07-2010, 12:49 PM)MB TECH Does the 617 give you enough power through the trails and mud bogs?

another toyota fj40 transplant thanks to luke, mercedes, gm, toyota, extreme bends.... superturbodiesel!
fj four o
04-07-2010, 07:36 PM #25

man, i hope you say "yes!"
i'm in the process of swapping an om617 into my fj40.

nice work on the swap, i can really appreciate the amount of thought and planning you put into it.

(04-07-2010, 12:49 PM)MB TECH Does the 617 give you enough power through the trails and mud bogs?


another toyota fj40 transplant thanks to luke, mercedes, gm, toyota, extreme bends.... superturbodiesel!

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
04-08-2010, 08:33 PM #26
(04-07-2010, 12:49 PM)MB TECH Does the 617 give you enough power through the trails and mud bogs?

Totally. You don't really need much to drive at trail speeds. The G also has a 4:1 transfere case but I never felt the need to drop it down.

On the freeway I'd love to get more hp though

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
04-08-2010, 08:33 PM #26

(04-07-2010, 12:49 PM)MB TECH Does the 617 give you enough power through the trails and mud bogs?

Totally. You don't really need much to drive at trail speeds. The G also has a 4:1 transfere case but I never felt the need to drop it down.

On the freeway I'd love to get more hp though


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

MB TECH
GT2559V

188
04-09-2010, 08:33 AM #27
have you tried any hill climbs?

1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

MB TECH
04-09-2010, 08:33 AM #27

have you tried any hill climbs?


1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
04-09-2010, 09:45 AM #28
(04-09-2010, 08:33 AM)MB TECH have you tried any hill climbs?

I live in the hills. I drive small steep roads and inclined freeways every day.
On that trail ride, I climbed a really steep muddy section that I had to engauge the rear locker for.

The engine is plenty strong enough for the small roads and trail--actually feels peppy. But at freeway speeds, I don't have enough torque at higher RPMs (horsepower) to keep up so I end up slowing to 50-60 depending on the incline. Overdrive should help out a lot (in the plans).

Keep in mind the dry weight of the G is 5500lbs

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
04-09-2010, 09:45 AM #28

(04-09-2010, 08:33 AM)MB TECH have you tried any hill climbs?

I live in the hills. I drive small steep roads and inclined freeways every day.
On that trail ride, I climbed a really steep muddy section that I had to engauge the rear locker for.

The engine is plenty strong enough for the small roads and trail--actually feels peppy. But at freeway speeds, I don't have enough torque at higher RPMs (horsepower) to keep up so I end up slowing to 50-60 depending on the incline. Overdrive should help out a lot (in the plans).

Keep in mind the dry weight of the G is 5500lbs


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

MB TECH
GT2559V

188
04-09-2010, 09:59 AM #29
Excellent, thanks for the responses. Good job with the project by the way.

1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

MB TECH
04-09-2010, 09:59 AM #29

Excellent, thanks for the responses. Good job with the project by the way.


1979 450SEL 6.9 - stock

1960 220SE
111 tube chassis car/undergoing full restoration. Body work in progress. Merging with a 1996 S500 (119 engine, 722.6 trans, and both subframes)

2005 S55 AMG - stock

1999 SLK230 Kompressor - stock

2006 SLK55 AMG - stock

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
04-09-2010, 10:29 AM #30
(04-09-2010, 09:59 AM)MB TECH Excellent, thanks for the responses. Good job with the project by the way.

Thanks!

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
04-09-2010, 10:29 AM #30

(04-09-2010, 09:59 AM)MB TECH Excellent, thanks for the responses. Good job with the project by the way.

Thanks!


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

fj four o
Naturally-aspirated

17
04-09-2010, 07:27 PM #31
(04-09-2010, 09:45 AM)Syncro_G
(04-09-2010, 08:33 AM)MB TECH have you tried any hill climbs?

I live in the hills. I drive small steep roads and inclined freeways every day.
On that trail ride, I climbed a really steep muddy section that I had to engauge the rear locker for.

The engine is plenty strong enough for the small roads and trail--actually feels peppy. But at freeway speeds, I don't have enough torque at higher RPMs (horsepower) to keep up so I end up slowing to 50-60 depending on the incline. Overdrive should help out a lot (in the plans).

Keep in mind the dry weight of the G is 5500lbs

could you tell us what your gear ratios are (rear end, top tranny gear, transfer high and tire size). being able to pull a grade on the freeway is definitely a concern of mine for my build.
thanks much!

another toyota fj40 transplant thanks to luke, mercedes, gm, toyota, extreme bends.... superturbodiesel!
fj four o
04-09-2010, 07:27 PM #31

(04-09-2010, 09:45 AM)Syncro_G
(04-09-2010, 08:33 AM)MB TECH have you tried any hill climbs?

I live in the hills. I drive small steep roads and inclined freeways every day.
On that trail ride, I climbed a really steep muddy section that I had to engauge the rear locker for.

The engine is plenty strong enough for the small roads and trail--actually feels peppy. But at freeway speeds, I don't have enough torque at higher RPMs (horsepower) to keep up so I end up slowing to 50-60 depending on the incline. Overdrive should help out a lot (in the plans).

Keep in mind the dry weight of the G is 5500lbs

could you tell us what your gear ratios are (rear end, top tranny gear, transfer high and tire size). being able to pull a grade on the freeway is definitely a concern of mine for my build.
thanks much!


another toyota fj40 transplant thanks to luke, mercedes, gm, toyota, extreme bends.... superturbodiesel!

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
04-10-2010, 09:37 PM #32
(04-09-2010, 07:27 PM)fj four o could you tell us what your gear ratios are (rear end, top tranny gear, transfer high and tire size). being able to pull a grade on the freeway is definitely a concern of mine for my build.
thanks much!

Unfortunately I don't know the rear diff gearing. with a little math, you should be able to figure it out from the following:

transfer case is 1:1 for street, transmission is 1:1 and tires are 31"
at 3000 RPM in top gear, it goes about 60MPH (depending on the torque converter load)

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
04-10-2010, 09:37 PM #32

(04-09-2010, 07:27 PM)fj four o could you tell us what your gear ratios are (rear end, top tranny gear, transfer high and tire size). being able to pull a grade on the freeway is definitely a concern of mine for my build.
thanks much!

Unfortunately I don't know the rear diff gearing. with a little math, you should be able to figure it out from the following:

transfer case is 1:1 for street, transmission is 1:1 and tires are 31"
at 3000 RPM in top gear, it goes about 60MPH (depending on the torque converter load)


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

fj four o
Naturally-aspirated

17
04-13-2010, 01:12 AM #33
according to my calculations, you have a 4.60 ring and pinion.
thanks for the info, should help to focus my tire selection.
sweet wagen!!

another toyota fj40 transplant thanks to luke, mercedes, gm, toyota, extreme bends.... superturbodiesel!
fj four o
04-13-2010, 01:12 AM #33

according to my calculations, you have a 4.60 ring and pinion.
thanks for the info, should help to focus my tire selection.
sweet wagen!!


another toyota fj40 transplant thanks to luke, mercedes, gm, toyota, extreme bends.... superturbodiesel!

rdirtycar
flash gordon

145
07-02-2010, 04:59 PM #34
have you considered using the 617 a/c compressor for on board air? can it be done?

1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo
rdirtycar
07-02-2010, 04:59 PM #34

have you considered using the 617 a/c compressor for on board air? can it be done?


1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo

saburai
Naturally-aspirated

11
05-25-2011, 08:50 AM #35
(04-09-2010, 09:45 AM)Syncro_G
(04-09-2010, 08:33 AM)MB TECH have you tried any hill climbs?

I live in the hills. I drive small steep roads and inclined freeways every day.
On that trail ride, I climbed a really steep muddy section that I had to engauge the rear locker for.

The engine is plenty strong enough for the small roads and trail--actually feels peppy. But at freeway speeds, I don't have enough torque at higher RPMs (horsepower) to keep up so I end up slowing to 50-60 depending on the incline. Overdrive should help out a lot (in the plans).

Keep in mind the dry weight of the G is 5500lbs

This is good news for me!

I'm putting a om617 in my '99 Jeep XJ.
It's pretty heavy for an XJ, at around 4300lbs. I was worried about over the road power at highway speed...
With 31" tires, 4.10 RP and a .79 5th gear, it seems to me that I should be O.K.!

What do you think?

saburai
05-25-2011, 08:50 AM #35

(04-09-2010, 09:45 AM)Syncro_G
(04-09-2010, 08:33 AM)MB TECH have you tried any hill climbs?

I live in the hills. I drive small steep roads and inclined freeways every day.
On that trail ride, I climbed a really steep muddy section that I had to engauge the rear locker for.

The engine is plenty strong enough for the small roads and trail--actually feels peppy. But at freeway speeds, I don't have enough torque at higher RPMs (horsepower) to keep up so I end up slowing to 50-60 depending on the incline. Overdrive should help out a lot (in the plans).

Keep in mind the dry weight of the G is 5500lbs

This is good news for me!

I'm putting a om617 in my '99 Jeep XJ.
It's pretty heavy for an XJ, at around 4300lbs. I was worried about over the road power at highway speed...
With 31" tires, 4.10 RP and a .79 5th gear, it seems to me that I should be O.K.!

What do you think?

Captain America
Boostin' & Roostin'

2,221
05-27-2011, 12:52 AM #36
Thats sounds a bit heavy for an XJ ... subtract 1000lbs?


1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

Captain America
05-27-2011, 12:52 AM #36

Thats sounds a bit heavy for an XJ ... subtract 1000lbs?



1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

saburai
Naturally-aspirated

11
05-27-2011, 06:11 AM #37
(05-27-2011, 12:52 AM)Captain America Thats sounds a bit heavy for an XJ ... subtract 1000lbs?

Nah, just add Skids, rails, OBA, fridge, full Jerry cans, water system, heavy rear deck w/ drawers, dual batt., lots of tools, winch, big bumpers, full size spare and a RTT...
saburai
05-27-2011, 06:11 AM #37

(05-27-2011, 12:52 AM)Captain America Thats sounds a bit heavy for an XJ ... subtract 1000lbs?

Nah, just add Skids, rails, OBA, fridge, full Jerry cans, water system, heavy rear deck w/ drawers, dual batt., lots of tools, winch, big bumpers, full size spare and a RTT...

Captain America
Boostin' & Roostin'

2,221
05-27-2011, 04:10 PM #38
(05-27-2011, 06:11 AM)saburai
(05-27-2011, 12:52 AM)Captain America Thats sounds a bit heavy for an XJ ... subtract 1000lbs?

Nah, just add Skids, rails, OBA, fridge, full Jerry cans, water system, heavy rear deck w/ drawers, dual batt., lots of tools, winch, big bumpers, full size spare and a RTT...

Gotcha. I think pictures and a thread of it is required!


1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

Captain America
05-27-2011, 04:10 PM #38

(05-27-2011, 06:11 AM)saburai
(05-27-2011, 12:52 AM)Captain America Thats sounds a bit heavy for an XJ ... subtract 1000lbs?

Nah, just add Skids, rails, OBA, fridge, full Jerry cans, water system, heavy rear deck w/ drawers, dual batt., lots of tools, winch, big bumpers, full size spare and a RTT...

Gotcha. I think pictures and a thread of it is required!



1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

saburai
Naturally-aspirated

11
05-27-2011, 07:31 PM #39
There are a few pictures in this thread:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/th...?highlight=
saburai
05-27-2011, 07:31 PM #39

There are a few pictures in this thread:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/th...?highlight=

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
05-27-2011, 10:58 PM #40
(07-02-2010, 04:59 PM)rdirtycar have you considered using the 617 a/c compressor for on board air? can it be done?

Unfortunately, the York compressor doesn't fit in front of the turbo.

-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
05-27-2011, 10:58 PM #40

(07-02-2010, 04:59 PM)rdirtycar have you considered using the 617 a/c compressor for on board air? can it be done?

Unfortunately, the York compressor doesn't fit in front of the turbo.


-------------
'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

cjcosta
TA 0301

51
05-30-2011, 08:59 AM #41
Hi Syncro_G

Congratulations for your project.

I only seen your post today Sad i have done a swap too with a short GD300 NA now it has the same engine you have Smile and its a big difference.

Have you done any mods at the IP? Mine need a little more torque, i only have adjust ALDA and its better but to off-road a little more torque at low rpm is welcome.

Best Regards,
Carlos
cjcosta
05-30-2011, 08:59 AM #41

Hi Syncro_G

Congratulations for your project.

I only seen your post today Sad i have done a swap too with a short GD300 NA now it has the same engine you have Smile and its a big difference.

Have you done any mods at the IP? Mine need a little more torque, i only have adjust ALDA and its better but to off-road a little more torque at low rpm is welcome.

Best Regards,
Carlos

JustPassinThru
W123 and W124

491
05-01-2012, 10:29 AM #42
I just want to drop a note in here, so I can conveniently find this thread, and if someone will point me to other OM617-into-G-wagen threads I would appreciate it. I may end up referring to threads on later-model 5-speed manual transmission swaps, too.

I met a young man last evening in a lot, just before closing, he approached me as I was poking around in a 1980 300SD.

Two days ago, he bought from a local MB dealer's used lot a car which strikes me as something of a mystery: a W201 (I know the difference between the smaller, compacter W201 and the slightly larger W124; it is definitely a W201, not a W124) with no trunk badging, no B-pillar manufacture plate. I am not familiar with Mercedes gassers, but, under the hood, it carries a gasoline I6 which looks too big to be a 2.6, and indeed the EPA sticker (which looks new, as if a replacement for the original) says it's a 3-liter. My deduction is, it's an M103 or M104 out of a 1991 (the EPA sticker date) W124. Transmission is a 5-speed manual.

The young man has the idea of extracting the 5-speed from this W201, and buy an OM617 (I led him to an '83 300D whose instrument cluster I pulled a couple weeks ago, odometer says only 143K) and mate it to this 5-speed, and emplace this combination in a G-wagen he owns, which was bought new by his father.

I gave him my contact info; right now, he needs to finish putting a new head he had just finished pulling when he approached me, into a 3-series Beemer. But, after that, I expect he will call me in hope that I am a Mercedes Guru. Which is, mmm, more half-true than not...and, as always, it isn't always *what* ya know, it's *who* ya know...
This post was last modified: 05-01-2012, 10:50 AM by JustPassinThru.

Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
05-01-2012, 10:29 AM #42

I just want to drop a note in here, so I can conveniently find this thread, and if someone will point me to other OM617-into-G-wagen threads I would appreciate it. I may end up referring to threads on later-model 5-speed manual transmission swaps, too.

I met a young man last evening in a lot, just before closing, he approached me as I was poking around in a 1980 300SD.

Two days ago, he bought from a local MB dealer's used lot a car which strikes me as something of a mystery: a W201 (I know the difference between the smaller, compacter W201 and the slightly larger W124; it is definitely a W201, not a W124) with no trunk badging, no B-pillar manufacture plate. I am not familiar with Mercedes gassers, but, under the hood, it carries a gasoline I6 which looks too big to be a 2.6, and indeed the EPA sticker (which looks new, as if a replacement for the original) says it's a 3-liter. My deduction is, it's an M103 or M104 out of a 1991 (the EPA sticker date) W124. Transmission is a 5-speed manual.

The young man has the idea of extracting the 5-speed from this W201, and buy an OM617 (I led him to an '83 300D whose instrument cluster I pulled a couple weeks ago, odometer says only 143K) and mate it to this 5-speed, and emplace this combination in a G-wagen he owns, which was bought new by his father.

I gave him my contact info; right now, he needs to finish putting a new head he had just finished pulling when he approached me, into a 3-series Beemer. But, after that, I expect he will call me in hope that I am a Mercedes Guru. Which is, mmm, more half-true than not...and, as always, it isn't always *what* ya know, it's *who* ya know...


Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
05-01-2012, 12:37 PM #43
The starter is on the LH side of the m103 and the RH side of the om617 ie different bell housings

But a om603/om606 has a LH starter and will bolt right up to that transmission!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
05-01-2012, 12:37 PM #43

The starter is on the LH side of the m103 and the RH side of the om617 ie different bell housings

But a om603/om606 has a LH starter and will bolt right up to that transmission!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

JustPassinThru
W123 and W124

491
05-01-2012, 02:28 PM #44
LOL Once again, the good ol' STD gang of angels keeps me from looking even more foolish than I am! Much thanks, as always. I am vaguely aware, though, that to a *determined* cannibal the RH/LH mismatch may not necessarily be a stopper.
This post was last modified: 05-01-2012, 03:06 PM by JustPassinThru.

Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
05-01-2012, 02:28 PM #44

LOL Once again, the good ol' STD gang of angels keeps me from looking even more foolish than I am! Much thanks, as always. I am vaguely aware, though, that to a *determined* cannibal the RH/LH mismatch may not necessarily be a stopper.


Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).

 
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
Users browsing this thread:
 1 Guest(s)
Users browsing this thread:
 1 Guest(s)