excess air for e320 cdi egr delete
excess air for e320 cdi egr delete
Simply I am thinking of replacing the injectors from orginal to c30 amg if the excess will be with egr remove for 1350bars rail pressure. For higher tune the engine is going to be rebuild and transmission, but still waiting for engine to come.
Do somebody know how excess air in a om613/om648 look like before and after delete of egr funktion.
Simply I am thinking of replacing the injectors from orginal to c30 amg if the excess will be with egr remove for 1350bars rail pressure. For higher tune the engine is going to be rebuild and transmission, but still waiting for engine to come.
After what I have read, the gt2256v of the OM612 is good for about 200hp. The GT2359v of the OM613 can do about 280hp. The AMG injectors is able to give about 55-60hp/syl, so the turbo really limits the potential of the injectors.
A upgrade intercooler is one of the best mods for a CDI engine.
I have deleted the egr on my ML270 cdi (OM612). This leads to more rapid turbospoolup, and good boost is achieved at 1900 rpm, compared to 2200 rpm before the mod. This leads to lower consumption at low/moderate speeds. Currently 8,6L/100km combined. Engine also run nicer/more quiet at idle. I have not noticed any change in performance at full throttle. The overall advantage by deleting the egr is to avoid carbon buildup in the intake.
After what I have read, the gt2256v of the OM612 is good for about 200hp. The GT2359v of the OM613 can do about 280hp. The AMG injectors is able to give about 55-60hp/syl, so the turbo really limits the potential of the injectors.
A upgrade intercooler is one of the best mods for a CDI engine.
I had a e270cdi with om612 before and one of the engine blow up in a smoke cloud like a formula one engine do sometime, it was not that fun at 200km/h when visibility become zero in 1 second and the road was turning at the same time, properly one injector staid open all time and welding it self though the piston,
yes the GT2359V do not pump that much air but will do for the moment, I will be shifting to a efr7163 later, according to my calculations it will give 10psi at 1500 rpm and about 40 psi at 4500 at reasonably back pressure and by that 440hp in reach should be no problem if it was not for that the amg injectors is not big enough by them self, just need to harvest the pressure pulsation in the right way to boost turbine at low speeds
I was asking bosch motorsport for price it an interesting experience that let me know that I have the wrong work if I was suppose to aim for the big money.
maybe water/methanol injections is the way to take all the way I do know know so far, time will tell
I bought some engine from a guy here at the forum but it has been all problem, the guy said in autumn that he had a heart attack, but it does not make full sense so my two new projekt has been on ice, anyway find a nice low pressure turbo for one of the project yesterday
With the right lampda sond I will measure excess air and see if I can swoop in the new injectors since I am starting to get a little bit bad patient
(05-22-2014, 06:17 AM)merc mek I have deleted the egr on my ML270 cdi (OM612). This leads to more rapid turbospoolup, and good boost is achieved at 1900 rpm, compared to 2200 rpm before the mod. This leads to lower consumption at low/moderate speeds. Currently 8,6L/100km combined. Engine also run nicer/more quiet at idle. I have not noticed any change in performance at full throttle. The overall advantage by deleting the egr is to avoid carbon buildup in the intake.
After what I have read, the gt2256v of the OM612 is good for about 200hp. The GT2359v of the OM613 can do about 280hp. The AMG injectors is able to give about 55-60hp/syl, so the turbo really limits the potential of the injectors.
A upgrade intercooler is one of the best mods for a CDI engine.
Yes the original intercooler is a real joke that's for sure
I had a e270cdi with om612 before and one of the engine blow up in a smoke cloud like a formula one engine do sometime, it was not that fun at 200km/h when visibility become zero in 1 second and the road was turning at the same time, properly one injector staid open all time and welding it self though the piston,
yes the GT2359V do not pump that much air but will do for the moment, I will be shifting to a efr7163 later, according to my calculations it will give 10psi at 1500 rpm and about 40 psi at 4500 at reasonably back pressure and by that 440hp in reach should be no problem if it was not for that the amg injectors is not big enough by them self, just need to harvest the pressure pulsation in the right way to boost turbine at low speeds
I was asking bosch motorsport for price it an interesting experience that let me know that I have the wrong work if I was suppose to aim for the big money.
maybe water/methanol injections is the way to take all the way I do know know so far, time will tell
I bought some engine from a guy here at the forum but it has been all problem, the guy said in autumn that he had a heart attack, but it does not make full sense so my two new projekt has been on ice, anyway find a nice low pressure turbo for one of the project yesterday
With the right lampda sond I will measure excess air and see if I can swoop in the new injectors since I am starting to get a little bit bad patient
(05-22-2014, 06:17 AM)merc mek I have deleted the egr on my ML270 cdi (OM612). This leads to more rapid turbospoolup, and good boost is achieved at 1900 rpm, compared to 2200 rpm before the mod. This leads to lower consumption at low/moderate speeds. Currently 8,6L/100km combined. Engine also run nicer/more quiet at idle. I have not noticed any change in performance at full throttle. The overall advantage by deleting the egr is to avoid carbon buildup in the intake.
After what I have read, the gt2256v of the OM612 is good for about 200hp. The GT2359v of the OM613 can do about 280hp. The AMG injectors is able to give about 55-60hp/syl, so the turbo really limits the potential of the injectors.
A upgrade intercooler is one of the best mods for a CDI engine.
I have done a bit of budgeting, and turbo, injectors, intercooler, pressurepump, map and railsensors, custom exhaust, transmission strengthening and a good map. will cut me loose of close to 10.000€!
BTW: I would be interesting to see if a egr delete, oxydizer delete, new intercooler and a map with aggressive timing, can max out the stock potential in the more expensive parts like turbo, injectors and transmission. If so, this would be a very cost effective tuning solution...
I have done a bit of budgeting, and turbo, injectors, intercooler, pressurepump, map and railsensors, custom exhaust, transmission strengthening and a good map. will cut me loose of close to 10.000€!
but as well some times I can understand some people when you are prepared to pay for get things done they disappear? and some time you look and look and just suddenly it is right in front of your nose when you are not looking for it...
I think I was looking on 15 e320 cdi cars before I get one I like, rust was a very limeted factors and I met a lot of people even some story with a guy when i got stuck in customs in Norway. But the car I get hold to now I just love it
I am actually thing of buying equipment so I can measure the pressure cykle in the engine sins it will reveal a lot if interesting information and it would be much easier to see how the tuning is proceeding
Do you have the plastic intake on your om612?
when are you to proceed with your plans?
(05-23-2014, 06:34 AM)merc mek BTW: I would be interesting to see if a egr delete, oxydizer delete, new intercooler and a map with aggressive timing, can max out the stock potential in the more expensive parts like turbo, injectors and transmission. If so, this would be a very cost effective tuning solution...
I have done a bit of budgeting, and turbo, injectors, intercooler, pressurepump, map and railsensors, custom exhaust, transmission strengthening and a good map. will cut me loose of close to 10.000€!
Unfutunate "smakar det så kostar det" but I can also say that some times I get amazed how cheep things can be found for if you just look at the right places
but as well some times I can understand some people when you are prepared to pay for get things done they disappear? and some time you look and look and just suddenly it is right in front of your nose when you are not looking for it...
I think I was looking on 15 e320 cdi cars before I get one I like, rust was a very limeted factors and I met a lot of people even some story with a guy when i got stuck in customs in Norway. But the car I get hold to now I just love it
I am actually thing of buying equipment so I can measure the pressure cykle in the engine sins it will reveal a lot if interesting information and it would be much easier to see how the tuning is proceeding
Do you have the plastic intake on your om612?
when are you to proceed with your plans?
(05-23-2014, 06:34 AM)merc mek BTW: I would be interesting to see if a egr delete, oxydizer delete, new intercooler and a map with aggressive timing, can max out the stock potential in the more expensive parts like turbo, injectors and transmission. If so, this would be a very cost effective tuning solution...
I have done a bit of budgeting, and turbo, injectors, intercooler, pressurepump, map and railsensors, custom exhaust, transmission strengthening and a good map. will cut me loose of close to 10.000€!
Yes I have the plastic inlet manifold with the swirl flaps. When cleaning up the egr gunk, I've also removed the flaps, and the M55 motor. Like the egr, I just wired inn some resistor to avoid "limp mode". I got some pictures from the process. I threaded the holes with M16 threads. Then I screwed in peaces of threaded studs, with epoxy glue on them. To be absolutely safe, I drilled 2mm holes in the studs, securing them with a steel wire. While having the fuel rail out of the way I also changed the glowplugs.
I do know the swirl is there to make the combustion more optimal while cruising. In what I have experienced so far, I is better to have the inlet manifold airtight, than keeping the flaps. A new mainfold/flap assembly can be picked up on alibaba at about 500USD, or at a Dealer for almost 1200EUR!
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As going forward with my project, I need the ML to work as my daily drive. Its also my tow-car, pulling 3,5tonns legally. We live approx 40km outside the nearest city. I have 2 other "veteran" 280SE in my shop, and I was thinking about buying a Gelandewagen! So I probably need to have one of the S-classes working, before going on larger projects with my ML. Maybe I just sell on all the oldtimer cars, and buy some shitty Toyota to have as a backup (if I buy another MB it's just another project!).
However! Next up is the Intercooler. If anyone has any recommendations for a easy fit, or what parts is needed, please let me know!
Edit: Also I'm planing to get the GT2359V and some new Injectors. Is there any dieselshop in Scandinavia that can modify the original injectors, or are the AMG injectors the only choice?
Hehe "det kostar det det kostar"
Yes I have the plastic inlet manifold with the swirl flaps. When cleaning up the egr gunk, I've also removed the flaps, and the M55 motor. Like the egr, I just wired inn some resistor to avoid "limp mode". I got some pictures from the process. I threaded the holes with M16 threads. Then I screwed in peaces of threaded studs, with epoxy glue on them. To be absolutely safe, I drilled 2mm holes in the studs, securing them with a steel wire. While having the fuel rail out of the way I also changed the glowplugs.
I do know the swirl is there to make the combustion more optimal while cruising. In what I have experienced so far, I is better to have the inlet manifold airtight, than keeping the flaps. A new mainfold/flap assembly can be picked up on alibaba at about 500USD, or at a Dealer for almost 1200EUR!
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8E...oto%2c.jpg
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8E...oto%2c.jpg
As going forward with my project, I need the ML to work as my daily drive. Its also my tow-car, pulling 3,5tonns legally. We live approx 40km outside the nearest city. I have 2 other "veteran" 280SE in my shop, and I was thinking about buying a Gelandewagen! So I probably need to have one of the S-classes working, before going on larger projects with my ML. Maybe I just sell on all the oldtimer cars, and buy some shitty Toyota to have as a backup (if I buy another MB it's just another project!).
However! Next up is the Intercooler. If anyone has any recommendations for a easy fit, or what parts is needed, please let me know!
Edit: Also I'm planing to get the GT2359V and some new Injectors. Is there any dieselshop in Scandinavia that can modify the original injectors, or are the AMG injectors the only choice?
I´m the most unhappy owner of a C270, with the 612, is the worst Mercedes i ever had, and i got 3.
first was hardware like MAP sensor, RPM sensor, pressure sensor etc on electrics, after turbo collapsed, almost swallowed those bloody valves in the intake,water/fuel heather exchanger, and a few other things i really don't remember and ended dead, before the death was announced killed the gearbox, the hell with auto trans. died with a piston melted and crankshaft at cylinder 4 damaged. the melted piston is in cylinder 2.
Ended up with 3500€ short , was the tag for a used engine and a gearbox, and now the hell with the gear box, just don't work as it suppose to.
hope u are not so unhappy as i am. will put him on fire one of these days.
regards
FD,
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hello there,
I´m the most unhappy owner of a C270, with the 612, is the worst Mercedes i ever had, and i got 3.
first was hardware like MAP sensor, RPM sensor, pressure sensor etc on electrics, after turbo collapsed, almost swallowed those bloody valves in the intake,water/fuel heather exchanger, and a few other things i really don't remember and ended dead, before the death was announced killed the gearbox, the hell with auto trans. died with a piston melted and crankshaft at cylinder 4 damaged. the melted piston is in cylinder 2.
Ended up with 3500€ short , was the tag for a used engine and a gearbox, and now the hell with the gear box, just don't work as it suppose to.
hope u are not so unhappy as i am. will put him on fire one of these days.
regards
FD,
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Also these motors respond very negative to tuningboxes connected to the rail pressure sensor. All these boxes are pure knockoff! It's not physically possible to tune the engine properly in this way. The only possible effect is higher fuel pressure. That can give you maybe at best 5hp/syl gain, but the high pressure fuelpump will suffer from it! The ECU does not understand the extra fueling, and heat starts building up! First it kills your turbo, then fries your exhaust valves, before finally melts your pistons! Also I suspect this so-called "tuning" can mess up your auto-trans, as it is controlled by the ecu. I have friends with broken engine and gearboxes due to "tuning-box" tuning. I have even seen a "bulletproof" Toyota LC 120 "Prado" having engine and transmission failure!
If tuned properly, you rewrite the firmware for timing, quantity and pressure in the ecu, so the enginemanagement works like it should. It's essential to monitor the exhaust gas temperature (EGT) when tuning a turbodiesel engine.
I have not gotten further with my engine mods. Currently I'm working om the suspension as i have premature outside wear om my rear tires. Probably too much toe-in!
I think the OM612 is good, but you have to address the known issues before they become expensive faults. The EGR, and the flapping inlet has the potential to kill the motor.
Also these motors respond very negative to tuningboxes connected to the rail pressure sensor. All these boxes are pure knockoff! It's not physically possible to tune the engine properly in this way. The only possible effect is higher fuel pressure. That can give you maybe at best 5hp/syl gain, but the high pressure fuelpump will suffer from it! The ECU does not understand the extra fueling, and heat starts building up! First it kills your turbo, then fries your exhaust valves, before finally melts your pistons! Also I suspect this so-called "tuning" can mess up your auto-trans, as it is controlled by the ecu. I have friends with broken engine and gearboxes due to "tuning-box" tuning. I have even seen a "bulletproof" Toyota LC 120 "Prado" having engine and transmission failure!
If tuned properly, you rewrite the firmware for timing, quantity and pressure in the ecu, so the enginemanagement works like it should. It's essential to monitor the exhaust gas temperature (EGT) when tuning a turbodiesel engine.
I have not gotten further with my engine mods. Currently I'm working om the suspension as i have premature outside wear om my rear tires. Probably too much toe-in!
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