STD Tuning Engine Om602.982 with pump m 5.5mm

Om602.982 with pump m 5.5mm

Om602.982 with pump m 5.5mm

 
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bans21
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01-10-2016, 11:28 AM #1
i am new to the forum and live in Spain.
I have a Mercedes 190D 2.5TD which I've done a 2.9 td swap ip m om602.982 with the 2.5TD engine works well but lacks performance achievement no longer fill the idi injectors.
I need help as I go with the standard 5.5m elememtos wanted to put something bigger to do that functions well and do not pull me poor white smoke Injecion thought but not in 6mm. not looking for a car to drag just to go a little better.

Thanks bans21
bans21
01-10-2016, 11:28 AM #1

i am new to the forum and live in Spain.
I have a Mercedes 190D 2.5TD which I've done a 2.9 td swap ip m om602.982 with the 2.5TD engine works well but lacks performance achievement no longer fill the idi injectors.
I need help as I go with the standard 5.5m elememtos wanted to put something bigger to do that functions well and do not pull me poor white smoke Injecion thought but not in 6mm. not looking for a car to drag just to go a little better.

Thanks bans21

barrote
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1,627
01-10-2016, 03:40 PM #2
hehee hombre , que has echo???
well u have to be more specific, the 602.98X is a DI engine how the hell u manage to put that in a 201?
Even if u had managed to install a M pump in a 602.98X how did u get around the advance mechanism?
Even if u had installed the advance mechanism the M pump in a 5.5 configuration wont inject fast enough to open the DI injectors.
I can help u with that , but u have to explain better what u had done there.
Saludos

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barrote
01-10-2016, 03:40 PM #2

hehee hombre , que has echo???
well u have to be more specific, the 602.98X is a DI engine how the hell u manage to put that in a 201?
Even if u had managed to install a M pump in a 602.98X how did u get around the advance mechanism?
Even if u had installed the advance mechanism the M pump in a 5.5 configuration wont inject fast enough to open the DI injectors.
I can help u with that , but u have to explain better what u had done there.
Saludos


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01-10-2016, 03:51 PM #3
Is there no VP pump that can be made to fit? I was just wondering this last week... I like this engine!

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'88 300CD Turbo Coupé - OM603
DiseaselWeasel
01-10-2016, 03:51 PM #3

Is there no VP pump that can be made to fit? I was just wondering this last week... I like this engine!


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'88 300CD Turbo Coupé - OM603

bans21
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01-10-2016, 04:40 PM #4
A picture is worth a thousand words. I had to spend the hand block (11 mm) of the whole area where you will see the pump to mount the pump pes. without having to craft fuel lines to be made compatible with pump injectors. to all this is the centrifugal propeller governor and many aspirins 602 non stop.

How put image in forum

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Thanks bans21
This post was last modified: 01-10-2016, 04:57 PM by bans21.
bans21
01-10-2016, 04:40 PM #4

A picture is worth a thousand words. I had to spend the hand block (11 mm) of the whole area where you will see the pump to mount the pump pes. without having to craft fuel lines to be made compatible with pump injectors. to all this is the centrifugal propeller governor and many aspirins 602 non stop.

How put image in forum

[Image: 30cn4o1.jpg]

[Image: scet02.jpg]

Thanks bans21

bans21
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01-10-2016, 05:13 PM #5
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bans21
01-10-2016, 05:13 PM #5

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barrote
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1,627
01-10-2016, 05:39 PM #6
i see,
nevertheless, to keep this engine in DI configuration runing with a M pump u need at least a 7.5 mm pump and maybe it wont be fast enough,
the advance mechanism must be made to fit the DI engine needs...
as far as i know is possible to turn one audi 5 cylinder VE mechanichal pump into a 5 cylinder able to operate this engine...
dieselmeken knows the trick i do too , but that wont be cheap.
for the block, u have to mill the chamber where to fit the advance mechanism , in my case i had to disassemble and take it to a friend with a universal mill, and it wasn´t easy to cut it.
those weldings wont last they´l break and now they are disturbing the flow, solution is a hyd hose shop and they´ll do hard lines for u. or u by the nuts and hard lines and u make them yourself.
i´m planning to do the same but mine will be a 100HP cylinder monster... 4 valves big ones and dada ... all fancy things
it seems to me that u have a problema in hands... if u can´t get it to work properly we may work toguether since i´m trying the same .
post a picture of the pump and sprocket.
regards

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barrote
01-10-2016, 05:39 PM #6

i see,
nevertheless, to keep this engine in DI configuration runing with a M pump u need at least a 7.5 mm pump and maybe it wont be fast enough,
the advance mechanism must be made to fit the DI engine needs...
as far as i know is possible to turn one audi 5 cylinder VE mechanichal pump into a 5 cylinder able to operate this engine...
dieselmeken knows the trick i do too , but that wont be cheap.
for the block, u have to mill the chamber where to fit the advance mechanism , in my case i had to disassemble and take it to a friend with a universal mill, and it wasn´t easy to cut it.
those weldings wont last they´l break and now they are disturbing the flow, solution is a hyd hose shop and they´ll do hard lines for u. or u by the nuts and hard lines and u make them yourself.
i´m planning to do the same but mine will be a 100HP cylinder monster... 4 valves big ones and dada ... all fancy things
it seems to me that u have a problema in hands... if u can´t get it to work properly we may work toguether since i´m trying the same .
post a picture of the pump and sprocket.
regards


FD,
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bans21
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01-11-2016, 09:41 AM #7
hello bar your engine will be very powerful with that idea, so you used the head of the block om602.982 om605 but as you do with the pre-chamber injeccion remember that the injectors are different or is it that will create a threaded adapter injector . the other thing I just want to get out of my modest 170 hp engine with its corresponding torque. it looks pump audi I have thought but I understand that suffer from premature wear so I leave it aside. with pump m deceo only take out those 170hp to not break the gearbox or differential, the trouble is that my engine pulls bad injeccion smoke without some acceleration and in-gear acceleration jam still have not raised the rate to pump nesecito know that well. I take more aspirin jejejeje I head hurts. I forget to go with turbo factory 2.5TD but have read that they pay 1bar smoothly if that I get what I want I'm super happy not ask a beast racing only able jhon deer lol.

Thank bans21.


Pd. Barrote que tal todo por lisboa saludos desde madrid
bans21
01-11-2016, 09:41 AM #7

hello bar your engine will be very powerful with that idea, so you used the head of the block om602.982 om605 but as you do with the pre-chamber injeccion remember that the injectors are different or is it that will create a threaded adapter injector . the other thing I just want to get out of my modest 170 hp engine with its corresponding torque. it looks pump audi I have thought but I understand that suffer from premature wear so I leave it aside. with pump m deceo only take out those 170hp to not break the gearbox or differential, the trouble is that my engine pulls bad injeccion smoke without some acceleration and in-gear acceleration jam still have not raised the rate to pump nesecito know that well. I take more aspirin jejejeje I head hurts. I forget to go with turbo factory 2.5TD but have read that they pay 1bar smoothly if that I get what I want I'm super happy not ask a beast racing only able jhon deer lol.

Thank bans21.


Pd. Barrote que tal todo por lisboa saludos desde madrid

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
01-11-2016, 10:23 AM #8
Hola , Madrid!!!
Bans21, i was trying to tell u that u can´t run your DI engine with a M pump straight swap!!!!
The reason your engine work bad is due to the fact that the M pump is not suited to DI injectors!!!!
My engine will run in IDI for a certain amount of time wile i´m making trials to transform it in a DI. Wich in this case i plan to use a special M type pump with 8mm elements and a special made advance mechanism. if this wont work as desired i´ll move to a rotary style pump wich will work for sure. and eventhough the rotary does not suit my goals the engine will return to IDI.
Basically what u have to deal with is the IP, or u find a way to modify your M to DI, or u find a rotary 5 cyl with left rotation , MB flange and mech governor, wich i don´t know any. but that can be made and after a lot of euros too.
saludos, lisboa esta muy buena

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barrote
01-11-2016, 10:23 AM #8

Hola , Madrid!!!
Bans21, i was trying to tell u that u can´t run your DI engine with a M pump straight swap!!!!
The reason your engine work bad is due to the fact that the M pump is not suited to DI injectors!!!!
My engine will run in IDI for a certain amount of time wile i´m making trials to transform it in a DI. Wich in this case i plan to use a special M type pump with 8mm elements and a special made advance mechanism. if this wont work as desired i´ll move to a rotary style pump wich will work for sure. and eventhough the rotary does not suit my goals the engine will return to IDI.
Basically what u have to deal with is the IP, or u find a way to modify your M to DI, or u find a rotary 5 cyl with left rotation , MB flange and mech governor, wich i don´t know any. but that can be made and after a lot of euros too.
saludos, lisboa esta muy buena


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bans21
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01-11-2016, 01:39 PM #9
so I will read it because I lack relenti fuel but raise the amount of fuel is only accelerated by which I advance the injeccion so you can now burn time I take 14 degrees.
I think if you give more fuel to idle but in 12 degrees or less should not be a problem and to fill up well in the best would load up 90cc but not if I can do it with 5.5 I read that only render 70cc.
investigating the truth I will have another propeller governor Mercedes and I will modify to make it more so when forward progress can perform well. it looks pump have thought to use the E290 and turn to electronic to manual audi some part but I have to go and buy a pump that when I bought my engine had no pump.
Likewise I keep looking to do know if om622la pump is true for something that I have 2 m of the motor pump and an extra.

Thank bans21
bans21
01-11-2016, 01:39 PM #9

so I will read it because I lack relenti fuel but raise the amount of fuel is only accelerated by which I advance the injeccion so you can now burn time I take 14 degrees.
I think if you give more fuel to idle but in 12 degrees or less should not be a problem and to fill up well in the best would load up 90cc but not if I can do it with 5.5 I read that only render 70cc.
investigating the truth I will have another propeller governor Mercedes and I will modify to make it more so when forward progress can perform well. it looks pump have thought to use the E290 and turn to electronic to manual audi some part but I have to go and buy a pump that when I bought my engine had no pump.
Likewise I keep looking to do know if om622la pump is true for something that I have 2 m of the motor pump and an extra.

Thank bans21

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
01-11-2016, 02:41 PM #10
Hy everybody i will try to help this member in spanish , so forgive me all
Hombre , nom puedes hacerlo assy, La bomba M no es capable de rodar um injector DI. porque lo tiempo te injection es muy largo , los injectores DI necessitam una injection de 5 / 8 grados . para que se pueda hacerlo una bomba com êmbolos mas grandes será necessária,
el motor 662 es IDI tambiem la bomba que tiene nom hace nada .
yo tengo um motor desses 602.980 para que pudesse usar una bomba M tive de cortar em um taller , se tiene que cortar mucho material , para que se pueda utilizar el mecanismo de Avanzo. sin esse mecanismo la bomba M nom avanza com lá rotacion .
el motor nom funciona bien , e hace mucho humo. um mecanismo de avanzo normal se tiene que modificar para que llheve el avanzo ideal.
las bombas audi 5 cylindros rodam para la derecha e lo MB para isquierda, tambien no es possible de hacerlo assy, pero se puede hacer una bomba para esso. como esse hombre aqui
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtXrxlyMjE

pos no lo se come vas hacer....... los pistones del 662 son 89mm diâmetro pero lo pin es 26 e lo 602.982 es 28 mm la cabeza de un 662 o 602 puede usar-se o una 605 mas isso tiene muy modificacion ....

manhãna o despues te voy dicer qual es el timing para montage de la bomba, e qual es el avanzo necessário. se entretanto puedes experimentar a 8/10 grados , me parece mas logico.

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barrote
01-11-2016, 02:41 PM #10

Hy everybody i will try to help this member in spanish , so forgive me all
Hombre , nom puedes hacerlo assy, La bomba M no es capable de rodar um injector DI. porque lo tiempo te injection es muy largo , los injectores DI necessitam una injection de 5 / 8 grados . para que se pueda hacerlo una bomba com êmbolos mas grandes será necessária,
el motor 662 es IDI tambiem la bomba que tiene nom hace nada .
yo tengo um motor desses 602.980 para que pudesse usar una bomba M tive de cortar em um taller , se tiene que cortar mucho material , para que se pueda utilizar el mecanismo de Avanzo. sin esse mecanismo la bomba M nom avanza com lá rotacion .
el motor nom funciona bien , e hace mucho humo. um mecanismo de avanzo normal se tiene que modificar para que llheve el avanzo ideal.
las bombas audi 5 cylindros rodam para la derecha e lo MB para isquierda, tambien no es possible de hacerlo assy, pero se puede hacer una bomba para esso. como esse hombre aqui
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtXrxlyMjE

pos no lo se come vas hacer....... los pistones del 662 son 89mm diâmetro pero lo pin es 26 e lo 602.982 es 28 mm la cabeza de un 662 o 602 puede usar-se o una 605 mas isso tiene muy modificacion ....

manhãna o despues te voy dicer qual es el timing para montage de la bomba, e qual es el avanzo necessário. se entretanto puedes experimentar a 8/10 grados , me parece mas logico.


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bans21
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01-11-2016, 03:30 PM #11
Barrote tienes razon yo se de alguien que me dijo subelo a 10 grados y abre el caudal lo mas que puedas lo que pasa que el relenti queda en 1000 rpm parece yo pense en elementos gordos de 6 o 7 mm.
Ahora biene que no tengo ninguna bomba ve a mano nesecito o una de audi y hacer la modificacion para montarla o consegir la del e290 .
Lo que pasa es mi motor solo llego sin bomba y por eso hice lo que pude para traerlo a la vida.
Tengo que hacer lineas nuevas de gasoil y buscar la bomba me veo gastando mucho mucho dinero.
Si pudiera hacer que cargue con esa bomba estoy salvado mi presupuesto es malo ahora mismo.
Estoy muy agradecido por su ayuda barrote.

Saludos bans21
This post was last modified: 01-11-2016, 03:36 PM by bans21.
bans21
01-11-2016, 03:30 PM #11

Barrote tienes razon yo se de alguien que me dijo subelo a 10 grados y abre el caudal lo mas que puedas lo que pasa que el relenti queda en 1000 rpm parece yo pense en elementos gordos de 6 o 7 mm.
Ahora biene que no tengo ninguna bomba ve a mano nesecito o una de audi y hacer la modificacion para montarla o consegir la del e290 .
Lo que pasa es mi motor solo llego sin bomba y por eso hice lo que pude para traerlo a la vida.
Tengo que hacer lineas nuevas de gasoil y buscar la bomba me veo gastando mucho mucho dinero.
Si pudiera hacer que cargue con esa bomba estoy salvado mi presupuesto es malo ahora mismo.
Estoy muy agradecido por su ayuda barrote.

Saludos bans21

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
01-11-2016, 03:44 PM #12
la bomba del E290 es una VE EDC no vas lograr nadie com ella. la bomba del audi tiene el flage non MB.
ell raleti puedes apertar el tornilho de arriba para cortar, una vuelta dai 200.
timing entre 8 e 10 grados , e assy va rodar mal o bien
los elementos de 7 mm van a reducir lo tiempo de injection , pero esso és necessário um banco de pruevas para hacerlo.
si esso seria lo bueno , 2 bombas de ford transit , tienem 7mm com máximo de 80cc mas buenas para redicir lo tiempo de injection.
This post was last modified: 01-11-2016, 03:48 PM by barrote.

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barrote
01-11-2016, 03:44 PM #12

la bomba del E290 es una VE EDC no vas lograr nadie com ella. la bomba del audi tiene el flage non MB.
ell raleti puedes apertar el tornilho de arriba para cortar, una vuelta dai 200.
timing entre 8 e 10 grados , e assy va rodar mal o bien
los elementos de 7 mm van a reducir lo tiempo de injection , pero esso és necessário um banco de pruevas para hacerlo.
si esso seria lo bueno , 2 bombas de ford transit , tienem 7mm com máximo de 80cc mas buenas para redicir lo tiempo de injection.


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bans21
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01-11-2016, 05:45 PM #13
Barrote quizas no lo dije bien pero a mi block om602.982 le e comido su interior para poder meter el avance centrifugo que trae el motor om602.962 dicho asi meti la bomba con su polea.
Yo no use la polea de la bomba vp use la polea de la bomba m.
Ahora estoy buscando la bomba del audi 100 c3 2.0 td que es 5 cil pero no se el codigo de la bomba para poder buscarla.

Lo otro tengo el polea e290 es posible adaptarla a la bomba audi y asi meterla con suerte en mi motor.

Dios mio nesecito aspirinas por que esto me esta matando de dolor de cabezas.

Dices que con elementos de 7mm la bomba m podria funcionar casi bien

Saludos bans21
bans21
01-11-2016, 05:45 PM #13

Barrote quizas no lo dije bien pero a mi block om602.982 le e comido su interior para poder meter el avance centrifugo que trae el motor om602.962 dicho asi meti la bomba con su polea.
Yo no use la polea de la bomba vp use la polea de la bomba m.
Ahora estoy buscando la bomba del audi 100 c3 2.0 td que es 5 cil pero no se el codigo de la bomba para poder buscarla.

Lo otro tengo el polea e290 es posible adaptarla a la bomba audi y asi meterla con suerte en mi motor.

Dios mio nesecito aspirinas por que esto me esta matando de dolor de cabezas.

Dices que con elementos de 7mm la bomba m podria funcionar casi bien

Saludos bans21

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
01-12-2016, 04:52 AM #14
Hola , essa bomba audi no va resultar , pq la rotacion es isquierda e la MB es derecha, pero se puede cambiar la cabeza MB em una audi e despues maquinar la flange p que pueda apertar en el motor MB, pero esso n vá resultar biem porque lo dibito de la cabeza se tiene que modificar a que resulte biem , las cam plate teria de ver qual seria buena , no es cosa que haca en uns minutos o horas.
Aguarda unas horitas que te dire que números para montar la M e como puedes hacer com el avanzo.
saludos

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barrote
01-12-2016, 04:52 AM #14

Hola , essa bomba audi no va resultar , pq la rotacion es isquierda e la MB es derecha, pero se puede cambiar la cabeza MB em una audi e despues maquinar la flange p que pueda apertar en el motor MB, pero esso n vá resultar biem porque lo dibito de la cabeza se tiene que modificar a que resulte biem , las cam plate teria de ver qual seria buena , no es cosa que haca en uns minutos o horas.
Aguarda unas horitas que te dire que números para montar la M e como puedes hacer com el avanzo.
saludos


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bans21
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01-12-2016, 05:13 AM #15
Sr.barrote muchas gracias por la ayuda sinceramente cuando mi 190d este armado ire a lisboa a verlo con mucho gusto.
La verdad que me ha abierto a las idea he visto que el video del sr diesel habla de tener bomba e290 con control de una bomba iveco 2.8 hay que investigar para nuestras maquinas.

Saludos bans21
bans21
01-12-2016, 05:13 AM #15

Sr.barrote muchas gracias por la ayuda sinceramente cuando mi 190d este armado ire a lisboa a verlo con mucho gusto.
La verdad que me ha abierto a las idea he visto que el video del sr diesel habla de tener bomba e290 con control de una bomba iveco 2.8 hay que investigar para nuestras maquinas.

Saludos bans21

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
01-12-2016, 06:17 AM #16
Hola,
seja o que seja hay tambien essa posiblidad http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...p?tid=6975
mira que se esse systema fora funcional , puedes colocar en tu motor la bomba VE EDC que es del E290, e assy será lo mehor , para ti que non buscas mucha pontencia.
para mi no va resultar , al momento nom hai cabezas de grand flow para essa bomba.
mira que seja lo que for hacer una bomba VE mecânica para esse motor será sempre duvidoso.
saludos

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barrote
01-12-2016, 06:17 AM #16

Hola,
seja o que seja hay tambien essa posiblidad http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...p?tid=6975
mira que se esse systema fora funcional , puedes colocar en tu motor la bomba VE EDC que es del E290, e assy será lo mehor , para ti que non buscas mucha pontencia.
para mi no va resultar , al momento nom hai cabezas de grand flow para essa bomba.
mira que seja lo que for hacer una bomba VE mecânica para esse motor será sempre duvidoso.
saludos


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barrote
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1,627
01-12-2016, 02:22 PM #17
hola , bans 21
no se como lo vas hacer pero em tiempo correcto de injection para el motor 602.982 es 8,1º BTDC al relanti
lo avanzo es 6.2 a 2000 e 6.1 a 2500 , lo avanzo esta todo a 2000RPM, portanto lo avanzo es de 3 grados.
bien a um motor 605 la bomba se pone para que injecte a 18 grados BTDC. e se puene la crankshaft a 14.5 ATDC para intalacion de la bomba M.
assy se me sigues tienes de instalar la M a 24 grados em la crankshaft para que la injection se haça a 8º BTDC , se tengas una pistola de timing seria lo melhor.
lo mecanismo de avanzo teras que limitar a um máximo de 5 grados. limita-lo fisicamente.
despues me diz como passó
saludos

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barrote
01-12-2016, 02:22 PM #17

hola , bans 21
no se como lo vas hacer pero em tiempo correcto de injection para el motor 602.982 es 8,1º BTDC al relanti
lo avanzo es 6.2 a 2000 e 6.1 a 2500 , lo avanzo esta todo a 2000RPM, portanto lo avanzo es de 3 grados.
bien a um motor 605 la bomba se pone para que injecte a 18 grados BTDC. e se puene la crankshaft a 14.5 ATDC para intalacion de la bomba M.
assy se me sigues tienes de instalar la M a 24 grados em la crankshaft para que la injection se haça a 8º BTDC , se tengas una pistola de timing seria lo melhor.
lo mecanismo de avanzo teras que limitar a um máximo de 5 grados. limita-lo fisicamente.
despues me diz como passó
saludos


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bans21
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01-12-2016, 03:29 PM #18
Yo investigando he visto videos que los elementos de 6mm a relenti injectan mas gasoil que los de 5.5.
Una teoria mia seria que compre elementos de 6mm subirle el caudal a relenti para que cumpla lo minimo de los injectores d.i. en relenti y adelantar el tiempo de inicio ( recordemos que si lo llevo como la bomba m va de serie subiria el relenti asi ya no pasaria eso) aqui biene lo del pole dinamica si su maximo era de 5 grados no habra alguna modificacion para llevarla un poquito mas.
Asi mas menos poder hacer compatible el invento barrote tengamos suerte de que todo saldra bien.
Lo otro te envie un mensaje privado con mi whatsapp escribeme si deceas y te puedo enviar un video de como va la cosa y alguna fotillo de mi mercedes.

Saludos bans21
bans21
01-12-2016, 03:29 PM #18

Yo investigando he visto videos que los elementos de 6mm a relenti injectan mas gasoil que los de 5.5.
Una teoria mia seria que compre elementos de 6mm subirle el caudal a relenti para que cumpla lo minimo de los injectores d.i. en relenti y adelantar el tiempo de inicio ( recordemos que si lo llevo como la bomba m va de serie subiria el relenti asi ya no pasaria eso) aqui biene lo del pole dinamica si su maximo era de 5 grados no habra alguna modificacion para llevarla un poquito mas.
Asi mas menos poder hacer compatible el invento barrote tengamos suerte de que todo saldra bien.
Lo otro te envie un mensaje privado con mi whatsapp escribeme si deceas y te puedo enviar un video de como va la cosa y alguna fotillo de mi mercedes.

Saludos bans21

barrote
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1,627
01-12-2016, 04:14 PM #19
hombre las bombas M o VE o Lucas o outra que sea al relanti tiene sempre lo mismo debito mas cc menos cc.
um motor de DI lleva como 7 a 10 cc , para 700 rpm , se subes el cc las rotaciones suben tambien e assim .
los que tienes que hacer es loque te digo injection timing a 8º grados e despues se vera como el motor esta.
saludos

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barrote
01-12-2016, 04:14 PM #19

hombre las bombas M o VE o Lucas o outra que sea al relanti tiene sempre lo mismo debito mas cc menos cc.
um motor de DI lleva como 7 a 10 cc , para 700 rpm , se subes el cc las rotaciones suben tambien e assim .
los que tienes que hacer es loque te digo injection timing a 8º grados e despues se vera como el motor esta.
saludos


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bans21
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01-12-2016, 04:40 PM #20
Mañana ire por un pack de juntas y sacare la bomba y cambiare la bomba de posicion la voy bloquear a 10 grados para poder jugar con el tiempo.
Tendre que subir el caudal para que no quede con mucho taca taca jejeje.
Si veo que va mejorando intentare comprar los elementos de 6mm haber si me da la economia para todo.
Tu sabes cuanto pueden costar ( te soy sincero no soy mecanico soy tecnico en computadoras pero mi hobby es este y hago todo lo posible por lograr este projecto).
Asi mismo entiendo bastante y lo hago relativamente bien jeje te queria mandar un video de eso.

Saludos bans21
bans21
01-12-2016, 04:40 PM #20

Mañana ire por un pack de juntas y sacare la bomba y cambiare la bomba de posicion la voy bloquear a 10 grados para poder jugar con el tiempo.
Tendre que subir el caudal para que no quede con mucho taca taca jejeje.
Si veo que va mejorando intentare comprar los elementos de 6mm haber si me da la economia para todo.
Tu sabes cuanto pueden costar ( te soy sincero no soy mecanico soy tecnico en computadoras pero mi hobby es este y hago todo lo posible por lograr este projecto).
Asi mismo entiendo bastante y lo hago relativamente bien jeje te queria mandar un video de eso.

Saludos bans21

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
01-12-2016, 05:18 PM #21
hahaha
yo mire que serias muy ingenuo de mecânica..... una bomba IDI para un injector DI Wink
passa que puede resultar si nom se transforma esse motor en IDI e para isso necessitas una bomba com cojones...
yo tengo elementos 7.5 a 55€ cada uno , los de 6mm bosch son mas o menos lo mismo nuevos.
esso e mas 350€ yo te haço una bomba capaz de 70HP por cylindro...
se quieras manda-me una PM.
se lograres a poner lo tiempo de injection a 8 grados el motor ira funcionar bien , despues es el tema de avanzo, un passito despues de outro
Wink
saludos

FD,
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barrote
01-12-2016, 05:18 PM #21

hahaha
yo mire que serias muy ingenuo de mecânica..... una bomba IDI para un injector DI Wink
passa que puede resultar si nom se transforma esse motor en IDI e para isso necessitas una bomba com cojones...
yo tengo elementos 7.5 a 55€ cada uno , los de 6mm bosch son mas o menos lo mismo nuevos.
esso e mas 350€ yo te haço una bomba capaz de 70HP por cylindro...
se quieras manda-me una PM.
se lograres a poner lo tiempo de injection a 8 grados el motor ira funcionar bien , despues es el tema de avanzo, un passito despues de outro
Wink
saludos


FD,
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bans21
Naturally-aspirated

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01-13-2016, 08:22 AM #22
Por fin encuentro alguien que tiene voluntad de dar ideas barrote aqui los españoles pocos quieren hacer estas cosas eso si los que le hechan horas a los mercedes sacan aparatos muy buenos.
Hay una cosa yo no soy español soy de uruguay por eso vez que le hecho unos cojones muy gordos al tema
Cuando me dicen no es imposible es que realmente no tienen gana de trabajar las neuronas por eso te agradesco la actitud ya me ha da mas ganas de tenerlo funcionando a todo poder.
Lo de la bomba fue la falta de dinero imagina que tengo 2 bombas m por error jajajja.

Saludos bans21.
This post was last modified: 01-13-2016, 04:15 PM by bans21.
bans21
01-13-2016, 08:22 AM #22

Por fin encuentro alguien que tiene voluntad de dar ideas barrote aqui los españoles pocos quieren hacer estas cosas eso si los que le hechan horas a los mercedes sacan aparatos muy buenos.
Hay una cosa yo no soy español soy de uruguay por eso vez que le hecho unos cojones muy gordos al tema
Cuando me dicen no es imposible es que realmente no tienen gana de trabajar las neuronas por eso te agradesco la actitud ya me ha da mas ganas de tenerlo funcionando a todo poder.
Lo de la bomba fue la falta de dinero imagina que tengo 2 bombas m por error jajajja.

Saludos bans21.

bans21
Naturally-aspirated

16
01-13-2016, 08:22 AM #23
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Lo que vivo en madrid hace 10 años
This post was last modified: 01-13-2016, 08:24 AM by bans21.
bans21
01-13-2016, 08:22 AM #23

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Lo que vivo en madrid hace 10 años

starynovy
Holset

338
01-13-2016, 08:35 AM #24
Barrotee, you think that M-pump will work even with 8mm elements? I think not, profile of cam lobes in pump are main problem, not even pumping element displacement. DI uses steep ramp up of injection pressure to pop injector while IDI uses mild sine like profile. Same goes for VE pump cam plate, look at pictures you will see. I f you want to run DI in-line pump you have to go IF i recall correctly wit A-type pump.

Looks something like this, you can see difference in profile and pressure rise with it.
IDI   ~ ~ ~ ~
DI    I\ I\ I\ I\

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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
starynovy
01-13-2016, 08:35 AM #24

Barrotee, you think that M-pump will work even with 8mm elements? I think not, profile of cam lobes in pump are main problem, not even pumping element displacement. DI uses steep ramp up of injection pressure to pop injector while IDI uses mild sine like profile. Same goes for VE pump cam plate, look at pictures you will see. I f you want to run DI in-line pump you have to go IF i recall correctly wit A-type pump.

Looks something like this, you can see difference in profile and pressure rise with it.
IDI   ~ ~ ~ ~
DI    I\ I\ I\ I\


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
01-13-2016, 01:37 PM #25
Mr starynovy,
i have back up!!!! for faill Wink wether a VE or any other , why would it be better to have a M , the injection quantities in a M is off absolutly insane quantities , wile a VE wont reach more than 100 120cc even with a 12mm head. trials were made the 180bar injector wich will be used in my case works pretty fine in bench with the 8mm M.
and is just easyer to run a M pump , we will see if it works or not.
i also dought that a 5.5 mm run the injector on the 602.98X but it will idle and acelerate at least mid rpm, and that would be ok.
high revolutions like the IDI will be a lot more tricky to do but it will in the end work ok.

sorry for the spanish above , some members have dificult in english too.

FD,
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barrote
01-13-2016, 01:37 PM #25

Mr starynovy,
i have back up!!!! for faill Wink wether a VE or any other , why would it be better to have a M , the injection quantities in a M is off absolutly insane quantities , wile a VE wont reach more than 100 120cc even with a 12mm head. trials were made the 180bar injector wich will be used in my case works pretty fine in bench with the 8mm M.
and is just easyer to run a M pump , we will see if it works or not.
i also dought that a 5.5 mm run the injector on the 602.98X but it will idle and acelerate at least mid rpm, and that would be ok.
high revolutions like the IDI will be a lot more tricky to do but it will in the end work ok.

sorry for the spanish above , some members have dificult in english too.


FD,
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bans21
Naturally-aspirated

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01-13-2016, 03:06 PM #26
Barrote te envie un mp y un email si los tienes escribeme gratis a el cellular
bans21
01-13-2016, 03:06 PM #26

Barrote te envie un mp y un email si los tienes escribeme gratis a el cellular

starynovy
Holset

338
01-13-2016, 03:48 PM #27
Well fingers crossed for you, I dont think it will ever be ideal with IDI cam in pump but it may work to your satisfaction. I am curious about that high revs as with DI efficient combustion fails really soon. Keeps us posted with results! Wink

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
starynovy
01-13-2016, 03:48 PM #27

Well fingers crossed for you, I dont think it will ever be ideal with IDI cam in pump but it may work to your satisfaction. I am curious about that high revs as with DI efficient combustion fails really soon. Keeps us posted with results! Wink


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW

bans21
Naturally-aspirated

16
01-13-2016, 04:12 PM #28
the engine that was designed to pump -ve but keep in mind that I did copying the project to other guys who did it and it works well maybe not but it works. biene now the idea to make it work better these injectors work at 190 bar and gave my pump m 135bar for the poor now have to investigate how to make them work.
I do not want to have a performance of rocket reaction just to make it work well with what little I have is that my injectors nesesitan something like 90cc to open second phase and elements 5.5 only pay 70cc hopefully why talk about upload to 6mm for 90cc reach those here the problem will rise much idle or can be left under 800 rpm the other ire always pulling a thin white smoke that's what I hate. and in the worst case I'll have to kill the car (dear god I do go up in flames or throw me into a ravine please helpSmile.

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bans21
01-13-2016, 04:12 PM #28

the engine that was designed to pump -ve but keep in mind that I did copying the project to other guys who did it and it works well maybe not but it works. biene now the idea to make it work better these injectors work at 190 bar and gave my pump m 135bar for the poor now have to investigate how to make them work.
I do not want to have a performance of rocket reaction just to make it work well with what little I have is that my injectors nesesitan something like 90cc to open second phase and elements 5.5 only pay 70cc hopefully why talk about upload to 6mm for 90cc reach those here the problem will rise much idle or can be left under 800 rpm the other ire always pulling a thin white smoke that's what I hate. and in the worst case I'll have to kill the car (dear god I do go up in flames or throw me into a ravine please helpSmile.

Thanks bans21 Sad

 
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