Results of my HE351VE.....
Results of my HE351VE.....
07-29-2016, 06:44 PM
#1
So I am open to ideas. Still only 30psi. My thoughts are I am burning all my fuel or exhaust maybe too restrictive at full 3 inch. My pump says 160cc on it and is turned up all the way. Not sure where I should go at this point. Sell off turbo and go HX52 or try 4 inch exhaust. I may also try messing with my cams because I do have bigger cams and I think advancing them may help a bit. Im going to keep testing and trying. I will read EGP after the turbo and see. If its a bunch I will go full 4 and see if that helps. I may try dropping half of it and see if that help.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
The turbo looks nice and everything looks like it was well done. They even machined the silencer ring so it looks more like a ported housing. Now for the results...
So I am open to ideas. Still only 30psi. My thoughts are I am burning all my fuel or exhaust maybe too restrictive at full 3 inch. My pump says 160cc on it and is turned up all the way. Not sure where I should go at this point. Sell off turbo and go HX52 or try 4 inch exhaust. I may also try messing with my cams because I do have bigger cams and I think advancing them may help a bit. Im going to keep testing and trying. I will read EGP after the turbo and see. If its a bunch I will go full 4 and see if that helps. I may try dropping half of it and see if that help.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-29-2016, 10:24 PM
#3
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
What is your setup?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-29-2016, 10:35 PM
#4
(07-29-2016, 10:24 PM)TurboTim What is your setup?
HE351CW, long tube header, ported wastegate. Not sure is the gate is creeping open limiting my boost or i just dont have enough fuel
Duncansport
07-29-2016, 10:35 PM #4(07-29-2016, 10:24 PM)TurboTim What is your setup?
HE351CW, long tube header, ported wastegate. Not sure is the gate is creeping open limiting my boost or i just dont have enough fuel
07-30-2016, 07:56 AM
#7
(07-29-2016, 10:35 PM)Duncansport(07-29-2016, 10:24 PM)TurboTim What is your setup?
HE351CW, long tube header, ported wastegate. Not sure is the gate is creeping open limiting my boost or i just dont have enough fuel
Not really the same turbo.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
(07-29-2016, 10:35 PM)Duncansport(07-29-2016, 10:24 PM)TurboTim What is your setup?
HE351CW, long tube header, ported wastegate. Not sure is the gate is creeping open limiting my boost or i just dont have enough fuel
Not really the same turbo.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-30-2016, 08:12 AM
#8
(07-30-2016, 02:29 AM)seanyt What's exhaust pressure like with it now.
Even forcing veins closed more won't build more boost now?
Also has spool changed much with new turbine
Its hard to tell if spool changed since it has been so long.
Forcing vanes closed more just backs up system and makes less boost and just higher EGP.
Maybe I am just burning all my fuel. Its a 160cc pump or at least that is what its stamped with.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
(07-30-2016, 02:29 AM)seanyt What's exhaust pressure like with it now.
Even forcing veins closed more won't build more boost now?
Also has spool changed much with new turbine
Its hard to tell if spool changed since it has been so long.
Forcing vanes closed more just backs up system and makes less boost and just higher EGP.
Maybe I am just burning all my fuel. Its a 160cc pump or at least that is what its stamped with.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-30-2016, 08:42 AM
#10
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
EGT's are at 700 to 750c as far as I can tell not much smoke under boost.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-30-2016, 10:22 AM
#12
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Anyone want a good deal on an 8mm injector pump then?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-30-2016, 12:35 PM
#14
(07-30-2016, 10:08 AM)JVanceNot according to this guy(07-30-2016, 08:42 AM)TurboTim ...as far as I can tell not much smoke under boost.
You're out of fuel.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
(07-30-2016, 10:08 AM)JVanceNot according to this guy(07-30-2016, 08:42 AM)TurboTim ...as far as I can tell not much smoke under boost.
You're out of fuel.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-30-2016, 12:42 PM
#15
He351V/OM606
-38mm wg, 110cc IP setting, 3,5" dp, 3" exhaust, 1,8bar boost, (backpressure not listed), 381hp
-46mm wg, 130cc, stiffer valve springs, electric fuel pump, 2,5bar boost, 3,0bar backpressure, 390hp
-same as previous, 2,4bar boost, 2,8bar backpressure, 396hp
-150cc, full 3,5" exhaust, 2,0bar boost, 2,8bar backpressure, 388hp
-130cc, 2,0bar boost, 2,8bar backpressure, 402hp
Some notes from muuris also an om606 he351ve
He351V/OM606
-38mm wg, 110cc IP setting, 3,5" dp, 3" exhaust, 1,8bar boost, (backpressure not listed), 381hp
-46mm wg, 130cc, stiffer valve springs, electric fuel pump, 2,5bar boost, 3,0bar backpressure, 390hp
-same as previous, 2,4bar boost, 2,8bar backpressure, 396hp
-150cc, full 3,5" exhaust, 2,0bar boost, 2,8bar backpressure, 388hp
-130cc, 2,0bar boost, 2,8bar backpressure, 402hp
07-30-2016, 12:50 PM
#17
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
6k to 7k the hp stays pretty much same.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-30-2016, 10:09 PM
#18
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Maybe Dieselmeken set mine up to not put out as much fuel up top since I had a 603 at the time.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 01:10 AM
#19
1978 300D, 373,000km... OM617.912 with a Holset HX30W, 7.5mm IP, 711.113 5 speed (project car, 7 years off the road and counting ;/)
1977 250 270,000km (parts car)
1977 300D (ex 280) 500,000km
1981 240D 498,000
1975 HJ45 ???,000
2001 2.8TD Rodeo 4x2 - 456,000 - DD
Dieselmekens "older" elements need like 40 psi to work full output at high rpm, do you know what your fuel pressure is?
1978 300D, 373,000km... OM617.912 with a Holset HX30W, 7.5mm IP, 711.113 5 speed (project car, 7 years off the road and counting ;/)
1977 250 270,000km (parts car)
1977 300D (ex 280) 500,000km
1981 240D 498,000
1975 HJ45 ???,000
2001 2.8TD Rodeo 4x2 - 456,000 - DD
07-31-2016, 07:47 AM
#22
Have you tried throwing more timing at it? That will put some more heat into it
This post was last modified: 07-31-2016, 08:03 AM by MFSuper90.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
I would say something with your fuel is lacking. 700c is not hot, and if it's burning fairly clean I'd say it's out of fuel. 160cc is a fair amount, but not a lot. Have you confirmed its at full fuel?
Have you tried throwing more timing at it? That will put some more heat into it
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
07-31-2016, 08:46 AM
#23
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Yep ALDA is maxed and fuel screw is also. I did take the back cover off at one point when I was trying to raise the rev max gov RPM to 7k. I did what Goran said but sometimes he isnt the most clear all the time. Maybe I need to mess with tq control capsule?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 08:47 AM
#24
(07-31-2016, 07:31 AM)erx(07-30-2016, 10:09 PM)TurboTim Maybe Dieselmeken set mine up to not put out as much fuel up top since I had a 603 at the time.
Is ALDA max fuel screw turned to max position? Is it smoking when 2bar?
(07-31-2016, 07:47 AM)MFSuper90 I would say something with your fuel is lacking. 700c is not hot, and if it's burning fairly clean I'd say it's out of fuel. 160cc is a fair amount, but not a lot. Have you confirmed its at full fuel?
Have you tried throwing more timing at it? That will put some more heat into it
I think my EGT's are so low because I was spraying nitrous at the same time.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
(07-31-2016, 07:31 AM)erx(07-30-2016, 10:09 PM)TurboTim Maybe Dieselmeken set mine up to not put out as much fuel up top since I had a 603 at the time.
Is ALDA max fuel screw turned to max position? Is it smoking when 2bar?
(07-31-2016, 07:47 AM)MFSuper90 I would say something with your fuel is lacking. 700c is not hot, and if it's burning fairly clean I'd say it's out of fuel. 160cc is a fair amount, but not a lot. Have you confirmed its at full fuel?
Have you tried throwing more timing at it? That will put some more heat into it
I think my EGT's are so low because I was spraying nitrous at the same time.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 09:39 AM
#26
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Pretty close to 30
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 11:10 AM
#27
(07-31-2016, 08:47 AM)TurboTim(07-31-2016, 07:31 AM)erx(07-30-2016, 10:09 PM)TurboTim Maybe Dieselmeken set mine up to not put out as much fuel up top since I had a 603 at the time.
Is ALDA max fuel screw turned to max position? Is it smoking when 2bar?
(07-31-2016, 07:47 AM)MFSuper90 I would say something with your fuel is lacking. 700c is not hot, and if it's burning fairly clean I'd say it's out of fuel. 160cc is a fair amount, but not a lot. Have you confirmed its at full fuel?
Have you tried throwing more timing at it? That will put some more heat into it
I think my EGT's are so low because I was spraying nitrous at the same time.
That could be it. The laughing gas will do funny things
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(07-31-2016, 08:47 AM)TurboTim(07-31-2016, 07:31 AM)erx(07-30-2016, 10:09 PM)TurboTim Maybe Dieselmeken set mine up to not put out as much fuel up top since I had a 603 at the time.
Is ALDA max fuel screw turned to max position? Is it smoking when 2bar?
(07-31-2016, 07:47 AM)MFSuper90 I would say something with your fuel is lacking. 700c is not hot, and if it's burning fairly clean I'd say it's out of fuel. 160cc is a fair amount, but not a lot. Have you confirmed its at full fuel?
Have you tried throwing more timing at it? That will put some more heat into it
I think my EGT's are so low because I was spraying nitrous at the same time.
That could be it. The laughing gas will do funny things
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
07-31-2016, 12:24 PM
#28
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Has anyone personally experimented with a wideband on diesel or even a cheap narrow band?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 12:26 PM
#29
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
I looked yesterday when accelerating and its hard to say but at 80mph there isnt a lot of smoke....really just a hint.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 02:02 PM
#30
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Well I turned my the torque control capsule to the point of run away and turned it back about half turn. I think it was about 1.5 turns total. Will report back with what happens.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 03:26 PM
#31
after 4500engine rpm , superpumps need some extra´s like main galery presurization, and so on... a 160cc pump at 1000 pump rpm might not deliver 160cc at 3000 pump RPM unless force feed...
but i dont think that is the problema of turbo tim , it might well be the set up , or some simple thing as a leak ...
but anyhow having 2 bar in a single set up , is not that bad...
FD,
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got litle to do with the element , old vs new ...
after 4500engine rpm , superpumps need some extra´s like main galery presurization, and so on... a 160cc pump at 1000 pump rpm might not deliver 160cc at 3000 pump RPM unless force feed...
but i dont think that is the problema of turbo tim , it might well be the set up , or some simple thing as a leak ...
but anyhow having 2 bar in a single set up , is not that bad...
FD,
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07-31-2016, 03:36 PM
#32
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Woohoo! 38psi! It also smokes way more at part throttle witch is weird. Shall I try turning up max fuel now also?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 06:08 PM
#33
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Woohoo! 38psi! It also smokes way more at part throttle which is weird. Shall I try turning up max fuel now also?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
07-31-2016, 06:09 PM
#34
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
I should also mention since someone asked....fuel pressure is 10psi and goes up on 1 to 1 under boost so should be roughly 48 psi.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
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02-27-2021, 12:45 AM
#36
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02-27-2021, 12:45 AM #36I know this is old but I had hx35 not building much boost took the turbo off a few times and looked for boost or exhaust leaks took a month to find out it was my fuel filter needed replacing. After new filter 38psi and breaking tires loose at 50mph.
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