Ford’s new 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel… will it be a Power Joke?
Ford’s new 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel… will it be a Power Joke?
11-16-2009, 01:59 PM
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(11-10-2009, 09:50 PM)dropnosky Say what you will about the 6.0 and the 6.4, I totally agree, but the earlier ones were decent power, easy to maintain, cheap on parts, and very reliable.
Cummins is in a totally different class certainly and is and was at the top, but lets not overlook the 1998.5 to 2002 24 valve addled engine computer problems that can be so annoying.
Taken on the whole, before the introduction of the 'straight from hell' 6.0, Ford was making a very decent, useful engine for a good price that worked well for a lot of years; I gotta give them credit for that.
I see your point(s). I turned wrenches at an ambulance shop for ~5 years on 7.3 IDIs all the way through the last generation 7.3L Power Stroke...so my opinion of them isn't helped by the fact that I always saw them on their worst days. We did put a LOT of hard miles at full GVW on them too...which doesn't help.
I had enough high pressure oil system, injector driver module and injector harness failures on Power Strokes to last me a lifetime. Whoever dreamed up that high pressure oil fired injector idea should be barred from ever doing engine design work ever again.
The IDI engines (in their day) didn't have anything decent to compare to...except the GM 6.2/6.5 (which I had mostly good personal experiences with) - all offerings back then were very warm blooded, gutless wonders - but that's all we had at the time. More than once, I was dispatched out in the field with a can of ether to start a 7.3L IDI that the crews couldn't get going for various reasons.
The '98.5-'02 Cummins ISB's failures could almost be traced entirely to the horrible lift pump design. Sure, the early ISB's also had issues with the VP44 injection pump...but when your lift pump is weak, you're not going to get a whole lot of cool fuel to help that IP last long.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
11-16-2009, 01:59 PM #10(11-10-2009, 09:50 PM)dropnosky Say what you will about the 6.0 and the 6.4, I totally agree, but the earlier ones were decent power, easy to maintain, cheap on parts, and very reliable.
Cummins is in a totally different class certainly and is and was at the top, but lets not overlook the 1998.5 to 2002 24 valve addled engine computer problems that can be so annoying.
Taken on the whole, before the introduction of the 'straight from hell' 6.0, Ford was making a very decent, useful engine for a good price that worked well for a lot of years; I gotta give them credit for that.
I see your point(s). I turned wrenches at an ambulance shop for ~5 years on 7.3 IDIs all the way through the last generation 7.3L Power Stroke...so my opinion of them isn't helped by the fact that I always saw them on their worst days. We did put a LOT of hard miles at full GVW on them too...which doesn't help.
I had enough high pressure oil system, injector driver module and injector harness failures on Power Strokes to last me a lifetime. Whoever dreamed up that high pressure oil fired injector idea should be barred from ever doing engine design work ever again.
The IDI engines (in their day) didn't have anything decent to compare to...except the GM 6.2/6.5 (which I had mostly good personal experiences with) - all offerings back then were very warm blooded, gutless wonders - but that's all we had at the time. More than once, I was dispatched out in the field with a can of ether to start a 7.3L IDI that the crews couldn't get going for various reasons.
The '98.5-'02 Cummins ISB's failures could almost be traced entirely to the horrible lift pump design. Sure, the early ISB's also had issues with the VP44 injection pump...but when your lift pump is weak, you're not going to get a whole lot of cool fuel to help that IP last long.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
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