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W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 03-16-2011
hi, i have a W124 with the om606 engine, what parts can i use to a 400+hp engine??
planning to buy a getrag 717 450 from a CE 300-24, and i have a flywheel from a OM603 engine.
sprinter clutch??
is there machinework to get the getrag, om603 flywheel, and sprinter-clutch to fit in my car??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - winmutt - 03-17-2011
The sprinter clutch disc is one solution. They are harder to source over here. You might want to ask around in the W201 forums about how strong the trans are. You will need a solution for the driveshaft I think unless the one from the CE is the proper fit on the front half. Also be aware that the w124s had 2 different types of DS, one larger than the other with larger flexdisks etc.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 03-17-2011
(03-17-2011, 11:24 AM)winmutt The sprinter clutch disc is one solution. They are harder to source over here. You might want to ask around in the W201 forums about how strong the trans are. You will need a solution for the driveshaft I think unless the one from the CE is the proper fit on the front half. Also be aware that the w124s had 2 different types of DS, one larger than the other with larger flexdisks etc.
the only thing i need to know is, how to get this parts together? how much machinework, or is it "bolt-on"?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - winmutt - 03-17-2011
Other than the driveshaft it is all bolt on in my experience and a few others. We dont have many manual 300CE-24s here so I cant really comment on that.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - muuris - 03-18-2011
You need to change engine internals so it is equivalent to original turbo OM606.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 03-18-2011
(03-18-2011, 02:40 PM)muuris You need to change engine internals so it is equivalent to original turbo OM606.And when that is done. Sprinter cluch cant handle that power wery long.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 03-18-2011
hmm.. ok
i have ordered the transmission today, the next i need is the clutch.
i have a flywheel from om603, is this ok, or do i need another part??
give me some good input!
(03-18-2011, 02:40 PM)muuris You need to change engine internals so it is equivalent to original turbo OM606.
what engine internals?? and why??
my 606 engine is a original turbo engine.
thanks for all help! fantastic forum!
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 03-18-2011
(03-18-2011, 03:09 PM)Diesel-Frank what engine internals?? and why??In first post you say at your engine is from w124.
my 606 engine is a original turbo engine.
w124 newer got turbo OM606
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - winmutt - 03-18-2011
(03-18-2011, 03:27 PM)jeemu w124 newer got turbo OM606
That did not translate properly? I think you meant to say that only models newer than w124 got turbo 606.
Frank, what year is yours?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 03-18-2011
(03-18-2011, 03:35 PM)winmuttNewer is ever(03-18-2011, 03:27 PM)jeemu w124 newer got turbo OM606
That did not translate properly? I think you meant to say that only models newer than w124 got turbo 606.
Frank, what year is yours?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 03-18-2011
(03-18-2011, 03:27 PM)jeemu(03-18-2011, 03:09 PM)Diesel-Frank what engine internals?? and why??In first post you say at your engine is from w124.
my 606 engine is a original turbo engine.
w124 newer got turbo OM606
ohh, sorry, i wrote it wrong..
the engine is from a 98 w210.
tha car is a 86 300d OM603 non-turbo.
to the 606 turbo engine i have a myna pump with ALDA and a new cam, KKD header with external wastegate, and å holset HX40.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - muuris - 03-20-2011
Good thing it's a turbo-engine. But the Sprinter clutch will slip.
I have Sachs ..765 pressure plate on a custom flywheel. It's 240mm and reasonable price.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 03-20-2011
(03-20-2011, 02:08 AM)muuris Good thing it's a turbo-engine. But the Sprinter clutch will slip.
I have Sachs ..765 pressure plate on a custom flywheel. It's 240mm and reasonable price.
ok, i have not ordered the sprinter clutch yet.
can you help me with the flywheel and clutch?? what is the price on this parts??
the 717.450 transmission is on it`s way to me now. it`s from a 300CE-24
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - aaa - 03-20-2011
The om603 flywheel should already be 240mm.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - muuris - 03-20-2011
(03-20-2011, 05:49 AM)aaa The om603 flywheel should already be 240mm.Yes, but 765 pressure plate is for BMW M5 (E34) and won't bolt on to Merc flywheel without modifications.
765 cost around 300 euros here. I use normal clutch disc from C250 turbodiesel.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 03-22-2011
(03-20-2011, 01:09 PM)muuris(03-20-2011, 05:49 AM)aaa The om603 flywheel should already be 240mm.Yes, but 765 pressure plate is for BMW M5 (E34) and won't bolt on to Merc flywheel without modifications.
765 cost around 300 euros here. I use normal clutch disc from C250 turbodiesel.
what is the difference between the stock 603 flywheel and a dual mass flywheel??
can i use my 603 flywheel for my getrag 717.450??
do you have a link to a shop that have this sachs 765 pressure plate??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 03-22-2011
(03-22-2011, 04:34 AM)Diesel-Frank(03-20-2011, 01:09 PM)muuris(03-20-2011, 05:49 AM)aaa The om603 flywheel should already be 240mm.Yes, but 765 pressure plate is for BMW M5 (E34) and won't bolt on to Merc flywheel without modifications.
765 cost around 300 euros here. I use normal clutch disc from C250 turbodiesel.
what is the difference between the stock 603 flywheel and a dual mass flywheel??
can i use my 603 flywheel for my getrag 717.450??
do you have a link to a shop that have this sachs 765 pressure plate??
Better to do on 200d FW. Is there any performance parts sale company?
That pressure plate number is 883082 999765 and made by Sachs.
Disk can use MB c250dt. Luk, Sachs etc.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - erling66 - 03-25-2011
Hi Diesel Frank
The 60x single mass FW are very different from a dual mass FW. A google search will give you the info you need, and you will quickly find out why you can forget about the dual mass FW for your project.
Where in Norway are you located? I am in Skien
Jeemu; why do you like the 200D(601?) FW? less weight?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 03-31-2011
(03-25-2011, 10:03 AM)erling66 Jeemu; why do you like the 200D(601?) FW? less weight?It s easy and cheap to get. That can machined better cluch.
Still best way is to machine total new FW CrMo like i have.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - offroadbakos - 04-02-2011
(03-31-2011, 02:45 PM)jeemu(03-25-2011, 10:03 AM)erling66 Jeemu; why do you like the 200D(601?) FW? less weight?It s easy and cheap to get. That can machined better cluch.
Still best way is to machine total new FW CrMo like i have.
and how much would a new CrMo macined FW like the one you have cost??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - muuris - 04-04-2011
(04-02-2011, 12:37 PM)offroadbakos and how much would a new CrMo macined FW like the one you have cost??
It costs upwards from 300-350 euros in Finland, but if I were you, I'd ask the local machine shop..
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 04-04-2011
There is ready model to om6xx and long clutch axle combo CrMo wheel and it cost 250eur asked today. There fit that -765 pressureplate
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - winmutt - 04-06-2011
(03-20-2011, 01:09 PM)muuris I use normal clutch disc from C250 turbodiesel.
On which flywheel? m103?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - muuris - 04-06-2011
(04-06-2011, 09:19 AM)winmutt On which flywheel? m103?
(03-20-2011, 02:08 AM)muuris I have Sachs ..765 pressure plate on a custom flywheel.
Pic.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - 300D50 - 04-06-2011
NICE! Do I see a step to increase clamping force, or are my eyes deceiving me?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 04-06-2011
(04-04-2011, 02:57 PM)jeemu There is ready model to om6xx and long clutch axle combo CrMo wheel and it cost 250eur asked today. There fit that -765 pressureplate
do i have long or short clutch axle on my 717.450 getrag??
I`m interested in this custom FW!
(04-06-2011, 02:26 PM)muuris(04-06-2011, 09:19 AM)winmutt On which flywheel? m103?
(03-20-2011, 02:08 AM)muuris I have Sachs ..765 pressure plate on a custom flywheel.
Pic.
nice!.)
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - muuris - 04-07-2011
(04-06-2011, 02:35 PM)300D50 NICE! Do I see a step to increase clamping force, or are my eyes deceiving me?
Pressure plate is for a BMW, which has 10mm disc. The Merc disc I use is thinner, so the step is needed in order to achieve the specified clamping force.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - 300D50 - 04-07-2011
Makes sense, a lot of people don't take that into account when doing a clutch swap-out.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-05-2011
(04-06-2011, 02:26 PM)muuris(04-06-2011, 09:19 AM)winmutt On which flywheel? m103?
(03-20-2011, 02:08 AM)muuris I have Sachs ..765 pressure plate on a custom flywheel.
Pic.
hi again! now i have the transmission home
is the FW on the picture to a short clutch axle??
as i can see, the FW on the picture is the one i need!
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - willbhere4u - 05-05-2011
On this thread you can see the solid mass fly wheel I am using on my om603 6spd project it is for a sprinter 2.2 CDI to replace the original dual mass flywheel! http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-om603-clutch-options
Notice the pilot bearing in the flywheel not the crank shaft it's for the shorter style input shaft transmissios
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-05-2011
(05-05-2011, 12:00 PM)willbhere4u On this thread you can see the solid mass fly wheel I am using on my om603 6spd project it is for a sprinter 2.2 CDI to replace the original dual mass flywheel! http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-om603-clutch-options
Notice the pilot bearing in the flywheel not the crank shaft it's for the shorter style input shaft transmissios
nice! where to buy?? link??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - willbhere4u - 05-05-2011
I got mine off of eBay as an entire kit http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-SOLID-FLYWHEEL-CLUTCH-KIT-MERCEDES-SPRINTER-/130499009758?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e6258dcde
VALEO NUMBER IS 835013
I think they make the flywheel?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-05-2011
(05-05-2011, 03:05 PM)willbhere4u I got mine off of eBay as an entire kit http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-SOLID-FLYWHEEL-CLUTCH-KIT-MERCEDES-SPRINTER-/130499009758?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e6258dcde
VALEO NUMBER IS 835013
I think they make the flywheel?
thank you! interesting!
the kit is in my "watch list"...
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - willbhere4u - 05-05-2011
I bought the same kit but with the concentric slave cylinder http://cgi.ebay.com/SOLID-FLYWHEEL-VALEO-CLUTCH-KIT-CSC-MERCEDES-SPRINTER-/130424896075?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e5dedfa4b
It's a bit more money! But the shipping was 40 euro's less so it made up for the price a bit plus it comes with the slave cylinder witch I needed any ways
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-05-2011
(05-05-2011, 06:47 PM)willbhere4u I bought the same kit but with the concentric slave cylinder http://cgi.ebay.com/SOLID-FLYWHEEL-VALEO-CLUTCH-KIT-CSC-MERCEDES-SPRINTER-/130424896075?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e5dedfa4b
It's a bit more money! But the shipping was 40 euro's less so it made up for the price a bit plus it comes with the slave cylinder witch I needed any ways
what is a concentric slave sylinder??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 05-06-2011
Any Mercedes Cluch kit not hold up there long
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-06-2011
(05-06-2011, 01:30 AM)jeemu Any Mercedes Cluch kit not hold up there long
maybe i will order this FW and modify it for the sachs 765 pressure plate.
what do you think??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 05-06-2011
(05-06-2011, 04:13 AM)Diesel-FrankThat works. How much it will cost?(05-06-2011, 01:30 AM)jeemu Any Mercedes Cluch kit not hold up there long
maybe i will order this FW and modify it for the sachs 765 pressure plate.
what do you think??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - willbhere4u - 05-06-2011
I would call and see if they can get you just the flywheel!
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-06-2011
(05-06-2011, 10:01 AM)willbhere4u I would call and see if they can get you just the flywheel!
nice, thank you!
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - mantahead - 05-06-2011
hi guys,
sorry to go away from om606 but what solid flywheel and clutch can i use for my om605 that has standard dual mass at the minute. The clutch is not done but is slipping at 260 hp. This will maybe give you an idea of what power standard clutches can take.
I can get uprated pressure plate made with more clamping force and paddle clutch but i am afraid of the dual mass flywheel.
wayne
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - willbhere4u - 05-06-2011
(05-05-2011, 11:37 PM)Diesel-Frank what is a concentric slave sylinder??
here is pic of one
It a slave cylinder that mounts inside of the transmission. The 6spd I have uses this set up
Its a slave cylinder and through out bearing all in one. no clutch fork!
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-06-2011
(05-06-2011, 03:07 PM)willbhere4u(05-05-2011, 11:37 PM)Diesel-Frank what is a concentric slave sylinder??
here is pic of one
It a slave cylinder that mounts inside of the transmission. The 6spd I have uses this set up
Its a slave cylinder and through out bearing all in one. no clutch fork!
i don`t need it on my transmission??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - willbhere4u - 05-06-2011
(05-06-2011, 02:29 PM)mantahead hi guys,
sorry to go away from om606 but what solid flywheel and clutch can i use for my om605 that has standard dual mass at the minute. The clutch is not done but is slipping at 260 hp. This will maybe give you an idea of what power standard clutches can take.
I can get uprated pressure plate made with more clamping force and paddle clutch but i am afraid of the dual mass flywheel.
wayne
I think the flywheel above would still fit it built for an om611. sprinter
But I think it should bolt up to any om60x engine I'm using it for an om603 turbo
(05-05-2011, 11:37 PM)Diesel-Frank i don`t need it on my transmission??
Only if you transmission was set up for one originally. If not you don't need it
My transmission is out of an 02 C230 kompressor and that's what they came with stock
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-06-2011
(05-06-2011, 03:14 PM)willbhere4u(05-06-2011, 02:29 PM)mantahead hi guys,
sorry to go away from om606 but what solid flywheel and clutch can i use for my om605 that has standard dual mass at the minute. The clutch is not done but is slipping at 260 hp. This will maybe give you an idea of what power standard clutches can take.
I can get uprated pressure plate made with more clamping force and paddle clutch but i am afraid of the dual mass flywheel.
wayne
I think the flywheel above would still fit it built for an om611. sprinter
But I think it should bolt up to any om60x engine I'm using it for an om603 turbo
(05-05-2011, 11:37 PM)Diesel-Frank i don`t need it on my transmission??
Only if you transmission was set up for one originally. If not you don't need it
My transmission is out of an 02 C230 kompressor and that's what they came with stock
yes, but i thinking about the slave cylinder, should i order the kit with the "normal" slave cylinder, or the one that is inside the clutch house?
(05-06-2011, 02:29 PM)mantahead hi guys,
sorry to go away from om606 but what solid flywheel and clutch can i use for my om605 that has standard dual mass at the minute. The clutch is not done but is slipping at 260 hp. This will maybe give you an idea of what power standard clutches can take.
I can get uprated pressure plate made with more clamping force and paddle clutch but i am afraid of the dual mass flywheel.
wayne
i`m not sure, but i think you can use the same parts as on the 606 engine.
(05-06-2011, 09:22 AM)jeemu(05-06-2011, 04:13 AM)Diesel-FrankThat works. How much it will cost?(05-06-2011, 01:30 AM)jeemu Any Mercedes Cluch kit not hold up there long
maybe i will order this FW and modify it for the sachs 765 pressure plate.
what do you think??
I`m not sure yet, i will post it here when i have the parts home,
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - willbhere4u - 05-06-2011
(05-06-2011, 03:27 PM)Diesel-Frank yes, but i thinking about the slave cylinder, should i order the kit with the "normal" slave cylinder, or the one that is inside the clutch house?
The first link I gave you is just the clutch kit with out any slave cylinder
concentric slave cylinders Will only fit it the transmission originally had one!
All of the sprinters/newer model Mercedes 2000ish? and newer use them stock
don't quote me on the year but that's what on my 02 6spd
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - mantahead - 05-07-2011
hi,
removed my dual mass flywheel and on the back it has 5 raised markers for the crank sensor and 1 marker is like drilled. Is there any solid flywheel i can use and keep my sensor working?
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 05-08-2011
Hi. I ordered my friend 605 + short axle tranny special made FW
Original sensors work.
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - Diesel-Frank - 05-08-2011
(05-08-2011, 07:15 AM)jeemu Hi. I ordered my friend 605 + short axle tranny special made FW
Original sensors work.
NICE!
what prussure plate and disc is on the picture??
RE: W124 OM606, manual setup - jeemu - 05-08-2011
(05-08-2011, 07:26 AM)Diesel-Frank(05-08-2011, 07:15 AM)jeemu Hi. I ordered my friend 605 + short axle tranny special made FW
Original sensors work.
NICE!
what prussure plate and disc is on the picture??
Hi. Sachs Race pressure plate to Bmw m3 and Mercedes 250d disk.
same pressure plate found my own car.