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W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 05-31-2015
My plan is simple. Get 320 CDI horsepower (maybe more) from 115 HP 200 CDI OM611.
I have done:
1) EGR off - so far by resistance
2) Swirl flaps with their engine are out
3) Now I installed AMG Injectors (C30 AMG). Surprisingly no smoke with orig program. Car goes really much better, without limp mode. But unfortunately when the engine is warm up, it can´t start up. These injectors much flows into the overflow. They aren´t new, maybe they need to be remanufactured. But I think, that the CP3 pump from AMG should solve this problem. So, now i´m finding the pump from 400 CDI.
4) Today i have installed turbo GT 2359V from 320 CDI. Fits good, but i must remake the catalyst outlet.
After install the CP3 pump i will go to remap the ECU. With 3 bar MAP in my hand
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 05-31-2015
Some pictures:
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - RobRaziel - 05-31-2015
looks good!
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - Turbo - 06-02-2015
Looking good
But I must say it is not fare to put a cp3 pump on that engine you have in compare to om648 so much space
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 06-02-2015
Here is really plenty of space :-)
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 06-04-2015
CP3 pump is at home
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - lajuz - 06-04-2015
What's the to do list to fit the CP3 pump?
I know you need the line to rail from AMG, but do you need to drill som new holes or something?
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 06-04-2015
I have the line from 400CDI. I think, that i can easily adapt it in my engine. Tomorrow know what I'm going to have to do. Maybe 1 or 2 holes...i don´t know it yet. Maybe some plastic lines have to be remade. I will see..
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - F.R.A.S - 06-05-2015
This is awesome, I love it
Good luck man, great project.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 06-05-2015
Thank you. Most hope that I will not have to repair the injectors, which flows too much (without limp mode). I hope that it is normal fot AMG injectors. Does anyone know?
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 06-06-2015
Saturday... 32 degrees celsius. F..k everything
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 06-07-2015
Some progress. Today I tried to put the pump on Test-engine. I have to drill 2 holes - on the left and down. I think It is prepared for this holes. Next - holders for fuel lines under the pump have to be cutted and also thermostat body little bit. Some modifications have to be done also on 400CDI timing cover. It will not be difficult to do it... I hope
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 06-15-2015
Is alive ! Short video without MAF sensor. Exhaust is still only catalysator.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - turbi - 07-06-2015
I, very nice project. I have the same turbo on my w202 220cdi. Your car had lag turbo??mine yes. It begin to run well after 2000rpm...before i had no torque... The turbo dont do boost...
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - starynovy - 07-07-2015
Rad vidim ze sa niekto chyta aj novsich dieslov.
Tu CP3 si nechaj pretesnit rovno, trosku to v BOSCHi pokaslali s velkostou O-kruzkov a kedze polka pumpy je hlinik a druha ocel tak to vplivom rozdielnych roztaznosti zacne skor ci neskor tiect, super to potom za tepla startuje-ak je slabsi starter/baterka tak to ani nechyti. Zapasil som s tym na 3.3TDI V8. Vstreky mas jednoduche, odpoj konektory k selenoidom na prepady napoj flasticky a startuj. Ak su dobre nemali by natlacit nic.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 07-08-2015
These days must install better Intercooler. I found one from Iveco EuroCargo
. Photos are from beginning with assembly...starynovy:
Super, že je tu i někdo z blízka
. Zatím uvidím jak dopadnu po úpravě jednotky. Když bude nějaký problém, tak vyndat to čerpadlo je na pět minut. Bojím se spíš, že ty AMG vstřiky budou na tom hůř. Ani nevím, jestli je budou umět normálně opravit..jsou uvnitř odlišné od běžných vstřiků z Mercedesa. Teď se ale soustředím na intercooler.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 07-08-2015
turbi: You have to modify the map in your ECU. After that I think everything will be ok
. My ECU is also original. After install the bigger IC, I will go to modify ECU. But I think the car now goes like original.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - turbi - 07-09-2015
I had modified it but without sucsess...i dont know if my ecu have vnt map pulse and vnt map or vnt map only....it is a edc15c5
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 07-10-2015
I think, you have to go to better tuner. Your older turbo (no vnt) was also controled by ECU. VNT is like a wastegate. So it must go.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - Punchi - 07-26-2015
MartinB: How do you feed your CP3 pump?. You adapted a fuel pump?.
Thanks
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 07-26-2015
Feed pump is inside of CP3 pump.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 08-03-2015
Finally
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 08-03-2015
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 08-11-2015
Now, I am ready for remap next week
All for this is done. 4 bar (3 bar) MAP also ready for install.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - turbi - 08-21-2015
I would like to see a video of this car and the graph. Very nice...
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - dcm - 08-22-2015
Cool project and very smart looking car!
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 08-23-2015
Thanks. Remap will be on September because of some Dyno innovations at the tuner.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 09-21-2015
Today on Dyno...misery...some air leak. Maybe between turbo and intercooler. Catalysator is maybe the 2nd problem. On the road from 3000-3500 rpm it smokes like locomotive. I have to get rid of air leak. Injectors are chattering - bad sound.
But on the road. From original software is this the big difference.
158 hp/ 353 Nm
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - kaloyanski - 10-02-2015
Lool, super nice car
I have project for my W210 OM611 (125 hp). I bought turbo from OM612 (270CDI - GT22V) and now i need some intercooler tube fitting and chip tuning. Can u give me some advices for my little project?
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - turbi - 10-05-2015
The dino is with or without remap?
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - starynovy - 10-05-2015
A potom to vyssie hulit prestane alebo lokomotiva stale?
Presiel som na 320CDI a pomaly ju davam do stavu hodneho uprav, ale okolo 3500 to zacne hulit tak ze cez zadne okno nevidim. Podozrivam dieru v sani tiez..
Podozrivam dieru v sani tiez..RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 10-07-2015
On the graph you can see the differences between original and remap.
158 whp and 353 Nm is on the wheels.
about 185 hp and 410 Nm on the crank. (With air leak and catalic converter
)
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 10-07-2015
Jojo, taky tak. Ale pak jsem našel olej na vedení vzduchu, takže vím po čem mám jít. Bohužel teď řeším trochu větší problém. Protočily se mi hlavní šály na klice. Nevím jestli to bylo chybou mazání, ale každopádně už na tom pracuji a motor bude jak nový. Zároveň nechám přezkoušet AMG vstřiky, jelikož jeden z nich cvaká.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - PedroFerreira - 10-08-2015
can you translate to inglish?
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 10-10-2015
Nothing to say. Problem with crankshaft bearings. But the build on better new engine is already in progress
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-20-2015
New engine build
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - barrote - 12-21-2015
hy,
I had one 612 blowing the rod bearings out, and was 2nd time, used engine dadada...
It seems to me that this 611/12/13 are week in rods, even to use the stock power.... the seem is more less "they are week"
I dont know if the 613 rod is same part number as the 11 and 12, the 13 is the only engine of this family wich i never heard about blasted rods or bearings....
Maybe u can consider using other type of rod!!! there must be useable rods from other engines since the pin and main bearing are the same size.
regards ,
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-21-2015
My rod bearings was OK. I had problem with crankshaft bearings. I think, it was because of some problem with lubrication. But i heard, that these engines has some problem with bearings.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - barrote - 12-22-2015
yep, they have but the problema is not the engine, is the bearing caps.... both main bearings and rod bearings!!!
i´m not sure, i haven´t gone in the CDI world, i´m still fighting low press direct injection, but i belive the 611 12 13 family are week concerning bearing caps.... well... not so (hugely) strong as the 60X series, this were made for 1 milion plus km.
if u suspect the pump (lub issues), u can fit a 605 oil pump in it, this type of pump has a lot more flow and, the pressure relief is 8 bar. just small changes to fit it.
regards.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-22-2015
I looked into EPC and OM611/12/13/46/47/48 have the same crankshaft bearings like OM602.982 (2.9TD).
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - barrote - 12-22-2015
Humm, the bearings in the 602.982, are same size as the 605.960, maybe diff part number , but they fit i´ve done that swap.
if the bearings are the same , in all engine families wich wouldn´t be any mystery , something is killing them!!! in my 612 was most probaly rod housing damage, most probably.
i dont have access to a EPC, but i would be very interested to compare part numbers from 602´s 605´s and 611´s .
could u do that , or send me a place where i can acess a EPC form...
regards.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-23-2015
Completely remanufactured AMG injectors. They had too high leak. Now, it´s ok. Bonus for me is, that they are tuned for more flow.
Injectors now flows ~155mm with 1500bar/ 1,5ms
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - Turbo - 12-23-2015
how are they turned for more flow?
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-24-2015
I dont know it exactly. I think higher stroke needle...
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - tuikku - 12-25-2015
(12-24-2015, 05:16 AM)MartinB I dont know it exactly. I think higher stroke needle...
It does not give more flow, it gives more fuel, but in longer time.
Nozzle size is what it is.
Bigger nozzles gives a possibility to have more flow in the same time.
I am not sure about the true size of AMG´s, but as I remember, it is ~110mm^3/13500bar/1,5ms.
155mm sounds quite a big amount.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-25-2015
This is original AMG injectors. Only new internals and nozzles. He told me, that the injectors could set to a little bit higher dose of fuel.
155mm he tested at 1500bar/1,5ms (not 1350bar)
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - Turbo - 12-25-2015
can I ask who did fix the injectors?
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-25-2015
Man who fixes injectors, CR pumps, heads... in Czech Republic.
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - Turbo - 12-26-2015
perhaps you can send me his contact information since I a looking for some nice injectors
RE: W210 200 CDI, 200-250 HP/ 450-500 Nm - MartinB - 12-26-2015
I think the best way for you is contact Dieselmeken from your country