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RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Mr.Emo - 02-01-2018
Thanks Baldur. I just need to get my car approved with everything original before I'm able to use your ecu.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 02-01-2018
The EGR and MAF are directly wired into the ECU, so they will come as part of the wiring package. They will work.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - starynovy - 02-09-2018
Have anyone figured out which code block is used? Pretty anoying to do every change 8 times.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - oleg213 - 02-10-2018
(02-09-2018, 02:02 PM)starynovy Have anyone figured out which code block is used? Pretty anoying to do every change 8 times.the system checks the checksum, accordingly all 8 blocks must match
like only 5 and 6 blocks have differences
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Mr.Emo - 03-12-2018
Is there an alternative glow plug relay one can use? Or is the oem only way to go? Seeing the output says (k-line).
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - oleg213 - 03-13-2018
W124 relay works standalone
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Mr.Emo - 03-13-2018
Hmm. Then I would also need the wiring. I have from w210 but I forgot to take out the glow plug relay. That's why I'm asking if the signal from the ecu is just a 12v signal so I can use whichever relay I desire or not.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 03-13-2018
The W210 glow plug relay is controlled by something more complex than a simple 12V "go" signal. Some friends tried to get one to work without the ECU and didn't have any luck at all. The relay also passes data back to the ECU indicating success/failure of the glow cycle. If you are using the W210 instrument cluster, it will report glow plug issues recorded by the ECU.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Mr.Emo - 03-13-2018
The engine is going into a patrol so that's not going to happen. I guess I will have to make a solution myself then.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - oleg213 - 03-13-2018
![[Image: 76141d1263185263-diagnosing-glow-control...-23.46.jpg]](http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/76141d1263185263-diagnosing-glow-controller-problem-screenhunter_06-jan.-10-23.46.jpg)
50- start signal
31- ground
15- ignition sw on
LA- signal lamp
T- engine temperature sensor
30- +12v terminal
61-66 - glow plugs
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Mr.Emo - 06-11-2018
Anyone that know what the signal to 80 Air Conditioning on the schematics looks like? Is it a signal that tells the ECU that the AC compressor is running? Any help greatly appreciated.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 06-12-2018
Is the number 80 a pin number or a circuit number? As far as I can tell there is no connection between the AC and the ECU on the OM606.964. The built-in idle stabilization handles the extra load of the AC compressor all by itself.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Mr.Emo - 06-12-2018
It's the item number in the first post and uses pin 16 on the ecu. I've got no clue tried looking in the workshop manual. But it's really hard to find anything in there.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 06-12-2018
I see. Pin 16 is unused on the G300 (1996->2000). The wiring diagram for the 1997 E300 (non-turbo) shows the pin as unused too.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Mr.Emo - 06-13-2018
My engine comes from a 98 w210 with turbo. And I've got a wire comming out of pin 16. Guess I have to do some more research.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 06-14-2018
Please do. It would be good to know where it goes, what the signal is, and what the ECU actually does differently when it gets the signal.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - starynovy - 04-07-2019
Wiring ´87 W124 with 605 turbo and ECU. My doubt is about ECU being from an automatic trans car. Will it start without EGS? Or alternatively if I programmed EPROMs with dump from manual will it run? Asking for experiences because it is hard to troubleshoot something which cannot be diagnosed and may not run for several reasons at once.
Also I dumped ELAB, I suppose it is enough to disable DTC code for it to start?
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - whipplem104 - 04-07-2019
I do not know about the 605 but here in the U.S. The 606 ecu had a ground signal for N/S from the TCU. I assume it is the same as a manual trans input. I never knew this until a year ago. Also same era gas cars. m120, m119, m104. Me 2.0 This is all it needs to start.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - seanyt - 04-08-2019
I have used many types of ecus automatic and manual om605 and they all work fine without egs ecu.
once youve got the cr1 immobiliser fitted and immo chip programmed no reason it should'nt start and run once turned over.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - starynovy - 04-10-2019
Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem..
It races with RPMs I dont know where, shut it off at 3000. Rack is not stuck, moves freely, doing it with TPS disconnected too. Ehm what the phuck. Havent tinkered with EPROMs yet so it should idle fine and be in limp-EGR and ELAB disconnected.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - INC - 04-11-2019
(04-10-2019, 09:04 AM)starynovy Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem..
Thats a way how ecu test ELAB and know that You remove it
When You shut down engine ECU move rack to add fuel, and close ELAB in same time, if there is jump in rpm
fault code is set, and second derrate limiter is active.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 04-12-2019
(04-11-2019, 01:01 PM)INCNot sure what you were trying to say here, but it sounds interesting. Can you give another try at explaining what you meant?(04-10-2019, 09:04 AM)starynovy Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem..
Thats a way how ecu test ELAB and know that You remove it
When You shut down engine ECU move rack to add fuel, and close ELAB in same time, if there is jump in rpm
fault code is set, and second derrate limiter is active.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - seanyt - 04-13-2019
Never seen an engine start and the revs just go up. Especially with a stock ECU. Doesn't sound like a failsafe mode either.
Have you chopped up the wiring loom. I always advise people to not alter the pump wiring. Is this an msa25 ECU or older style?
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - starynovy - 04-14-2019
Sorted.. idiots put flywheel from 2.5 diesel as per request.. just did not confess about small detail of being from W124 without 5 engine speed teeth.
It somehow picks up magnetic field of some sort so it starts fuel delivery but never picks up correct RPMs so it stays in start position, would run away to destruction.About the loom, made it from scratch. Most of the wires were in sorry state and too long-ECU moved to LHD side. Shortened both pump and VR sensor shielded wires. Nothing is lengthened, proper crimping at ECU connector with new pins.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - starynovy - 04-24-2019
If they tuned something they did main maps, just open any MSA25 hexdump, find those maps (list is even there on first page) and copy them. You dont need exact SW version for this.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - starynovy - 04-29-2019
So it is finished, but man it gave some headaches. In the end I had to remove this pile of errors P1622, P1407, P1402, P1223, P1482, P1221, P0600 from which P1223 came out of nowhere after day of flawless running.. something related to pump itself, never seen it.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - junkyarddawg - 04-29-2019
(04-29-2019, 04:12 AM)starynovy So it is finished, but man it gave some headaches. In the end I had to remove this pile of errors P1622, P1407, P1402, P1223, P1482, P1221, P0600 from which P1223 came out of nowhere after day of flawless running.. something related to pump itself, never seen it.
Nice engineering work !
Will be great fun and daily driver... enjoy
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - Petar - 02-05-2020
Does anybody know if 5 and 6 cylinder ECU's are interchangeable ie. can you use 5 cylinder chips on the 6 cylinder ECU and have it run a 5 cylinder ok ?
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 02-10-2020
I've gotten this work work very well on my OM606a. 80Kmiles of reliable driving. Then I went to make a backup ECU and tried to use the Julie "Universal Emulator" board instead. Following the instructions, it started and ran beautifully. Unfortunately, after about 5 starts, it no longer starts. The documentation for the module suggests:
Quote:If there are problems to start the car, add ACC onto pin 13 of ECU
(take it from second leg of diode). Then, cut off pin 13 from the ECU plug.
A) it isn't clear which leg of the diode is the second one.
B) I'm not keen on hacking up the harness.
C) the earlier CR1 board that I'm using hasn't needed this fix.
Anyone have experience with this particular module?
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 02-11-2020
Answering my own post:
After a tear down, it turns out that the 2Kbyte EEPROM failed, it self-erased to all FFs. I'll be tossing out that batch of chips. Burned the same data into a new (different brand) chip and I'm back in business.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - tanczi - 02-22-2020
Hi everyone! Someone can tell me the map adresses for msa25.2 2.9L W210? Original ecu dump: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WCVym_KsdQfl3vGsDv1X_592Ej5_epHX Thanks for any help!
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - speed883 - 06-09-2020
Ähm,
Ich muss wirklich, dass mir jemand helfen kann!
Ich habe einen OM605 mit EDC-Pumpe in einem Boot gehört.
Ich installiere einen Julie Emulator und Chance die 24c02.
Ich habe ein Problem - die richtige Zeit hat den Motor gestartet, aber ich habe den Fehler p1630 für Immo. Dann muss ich zwei mal gehört und dann gehört es an.
Mabe jemand hat eine Idee.
Das ist wirklich schlecht auf dem Wasser
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 06-09-2020
I also bought the Julie and was not able to make it work reliably. I tried all of the fixes that were suggested, nothing worked.
I went back to the standard "Mercedes CR1 Immo Emulator". That worked 100%. There are many sellers out there on the web. I believe I bought from this page: http://us.ecutool.com/Mercedes-Benz-CR1-IMMO-Emulator_9925.html. Though I paid half of the price they are asking now.
Feel free to PM me. Ich verstehe Deutsch.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - speed883 - 06-09-2020
Thank you for your answer, so it seams to be better to buy direkt this emulator.
Do you also have a MSA25.1?
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 06-09-2020
Yes MSA25.1.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - speed883 - 06-10-2020
Sorry for my first text, i write it english but my smartphone translate it automatic in a very bad german. i send it bevor i see
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - speed883 - 06-11-2020
What's the better way?
Start over Pin 13 of the Unit, or constant + to pin 13 and start direct over relai to starter?
Thanks guys
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - joaocastela - 03-24-2022
Hello everyone,
I’m currently in the middle of a swap of a om605 on to an originally c220 w202.
Right now I’m have an issue with the ignition. My original ignition uses the izs sistem
And the system from the om605 ecu is from a mechanical key. Does anyone know how to solve this?
Thank you
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - AlanMcR - 11-15-2022
(03-24-2022, 04:31 PM)joaocastela Hello everyone,
I’m currently in the middle of a swap of a om605 on to an originally c220 w202.
Right now I’m have an issue with the ignition. My original ignition uses the izs sistem
And the system from the om605 ecu is from a mechanical key. Does anyone know how to solve this?
Thank you
Did this get working?
A friend of mine has a OM606na, currently with mechanical injection. He's looking to switch to the original e-pump and control system. All of that is in a box, untested. Does the original system have an immobilizer? If so, what type? Similar to the system on the E300/OM606a?
Any help greatly appreciated.
RE: FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s - K66JGS - 10-05-2023
Hi guys old thread and just jumping in to see if Sean tracy is still about, am just in the process of buying a w202 with a fitted om606 and Sean tracy stage 2 remap and wondered if he was still doing these thanks