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RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 08-18-2011
gotcha! lol.
RE: My 1987 300D - jonbobshinigin - 08-18-2011
I am very curious to see what this HX35 is gonna do on a max load 603...I have my HX35 just sitting here waiting, assuming it wont spool practically for daily driving until I upgrade the pump.
RE: My 1987 300D - willbhere4u - 08-18-2011
It's an HY30w
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 08-22-2011
The HX35 is in the same size as the HE341 and others.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 08-22-2011
$1000 later, I have a #22. As Lance was kind enough to point out the plug on #1 is welded. As soon as it gets here I will take it to a machine shop.
RE: My 1987 300D - Captain America - 08-22-2011
Aww what a sweetie lol
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 08-22-2011
Is that the one off ebay? You dident steal my injectors off of ebay did you? lol
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 08-22-2011
(08-22-2011, 08:08 PM)iheartboost Is that the one off ebay? You dident steal my injectors off of ebay did you? lol
I did, he including them with the head. You can have my old ones when I am done with them.
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 08-23-2011
Gahhh. Lol I saw them and was like yes!!! Oh well at least it went to someone who was going to use them well.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-01-2011
Severely frustrated with the stupid turbo adapter. I left the manifold and adapter at one shop for a week and got nothing. Left it at another shop for 2 weeks and got nothing. Decided to do it myself and properly. Its irksome because its 90+ out every day and my 85, which is eating a valve, has no AC. Blegh.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-02-2011
Yay, my chuck for my drill press came in early last night, will start on the adapter tonight. As soon as its done I will be able to mock up the pluming for exhaust/oil drain/charge tube. After that the only thing I will be waiting on is the U tube from the UK. hopefully it will be in next week in time for the meetup.
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-02-2011
what is the U tube for?
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-03-2011
Needed for clearance on the manifold.
Got my T3 holes countersunk.
RE: My 1987 300D - jonbobshinigin - 09-03-2011
Can you post a pic of your current Coolant pipe?
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-04-2011
Jon, I will take pics shortly.
I am so close to getting this thing mounted I can taste it. Got the adapter made (will take pics shortly) and the turbo flange drilled out.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-12-2011
Wife says a package is FINALLY arrived...
RE: My 1987 300D - jonbobshinigin - 09-12-2011
I've got one on the way myself thanks to you Winmutt!
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-12-2011
horray!
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-14-2011
Almost done. All I have to do is sort out the exhaust and get the right size hose for the oil drain. As you can see this would be a drop in for a 602.
My t3/t25 adapter and the silly U tube:
On the bottom I have 4x10mm socket caps counter sunk and ground flat. On the top I have 2x8mm socket caps per side. One is missing because I managed to break off the tap into the adapter on the missing hole. I tried to drill it out without any success (too hard). If I were to do this adapter again, I would use 1x8mm socket caps on each side and then 1x6mm socket cap on top and bottom. I also used a bit that was too larger on the 10mm socket caps, I would use a smaller (1/2"?) bit and just grind the cap thinner like I did on the 8mm socket caps. This was the first time I have ever drilled into any kind of serious metal, I think it came out quite well.
As you can see the compressor outlet aligns quite nicely with the stock cross over tube. All I had to do was grind down the mount bolt on the crossover tube to make it round.
I had the stock mb oil line modified to fit the stock holeset oil line by these guys http://www.hydraulic-supply.com/html/location/mableton.htm. They charged a nominal $20 to flare the metric tube to fit the standard sized adapter and braze the end on. Really the value in this job was the comedy show these guys put on, they are like an old married couple and had me crying I was laughing so hard. I did take the line to 2 other places first that refused to do it because it was metric. These guys rock and are really down with the racing mod spirit.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-14-2011
ITS ALIVE!!!! I say that in all caps because I cannot hear anymore. LOL Still have to sort out the gap in the exhaust. Used the air filter setup from the W123. Changed oil and fuel filters as well. I will take pics in AM, any suggestions on how to fix the exhaust, even temporarily so I can drive it some where would be appreciated.
RE: My 1987 300D - Biohazard - 09-14-2011
Depending on the size of the gap, you can either use exhaust tape or a slip over clamp for joining two pipes end to end.
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-14-2011
this is awesome!
RE: My 1987 300D - jonbobshinigin - 09-14-2011
I'd love a parts list on the items required for oil lines on the turbo, as they should be identical to my HX35 correct?
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-15-2011
(09-14-2011, 10:27 PM)jonbobshinigin I'd love a parts list on the items required for oil lines on the turbo, as they should be identical to my HX35 correct?
Probably. I honestly don't know, the parts.. I just took it to the hydraulic shop and they did it all for me. They do have a location in Orlando. The restrictor and ss line came from the he341 I bought, so I would imagine you can pick those up at any dodge place.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-15-2011
Pics!
Reused airfilter from 617, if everything works out I will be getting a new filter. As you can see the stock air tube from manifold almost fits. I think I am going to carve the receiver out of the stock intake hose and attach it to the black tube (notice the electricians tape covering the hole I had used on the 617).
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Anyone know what the resistance on a K type thermocoupler should be? It was around 10ohms, I am hoping its still good after I accidently ground the starter through the shielding on the thermcoupler wire (lots of smoke).
I really think the hydraulic shop did a good job on the fitting there!
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EGT probe. Tonight I am going to fire up the Arduino/Android app I wrote for this and see if everything works.
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The intake to charge air coupling is a bit of a kludge right now. Thinking about machining the lip off the turbo and then modifying the crossover tube for better fitting. Pretty sure this wont hold under boost.
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So much more room without the MAF. I think with some judicial hammering I may be able to refit the sound wall back in there.
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The GAP! Not sure what I am going to do about this. I need a temporary solution to do some test drives and get the car to the muffler shop. Suggestions?
I imagine a new downpipe is going to be required in which case I might as well do a whole new exhaust....
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RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-15-2011
what about......hmmmmm some flexible exhaust pipe temp to dump it at the ground instead of your engine bay.
also why not re clock the turbo so it is more of a striaght shot? too much work? looks to me like a single c clip. which is verrryy easy lol.
or better yet. just intercool it
RE: My 1987 300D - jonbobshinigin - 09-15-2011
Yeh, I'd reclock it. Of course I'll be routing mine downward and into an intercooler. I wouldn't modify the Turbo lest you find down the road that a different turbo would be more appropriate. I am sure you have considered this.
Is that the ideal place for egg probe?
I am about to yank my MAF crap out myself.
And yeh, you may as run a 3" straightpipe...you can modify in a muffler later if necessary. This is my plan.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-15-2011
(09-15-2011, 04:33 PM)iheartboost what about......hmmmmm some flexible exhaust pipe temp to dump it at the ground instead of your engine bay.I was thinking this as well.
Quote:also why not re clock the turbo so it is more of a striaght shot? too much work? looks to me like a single c clip. which is verrryy easy lol.
or better yet. just intercool it
Actually the C clip is a PITA. Its HUGE and requires 11" angle nose pliers. I *might* be able to rotate it a few more degrees. The problem is the mounting tabs for the waste gate. It is already clocked about as far as it can go without modifying the WG mount. The only down side to this turbo is the stock setting has it pointed right into the block
.I took it for a test drive today. It takes a bit to spool but when it does it takes off. Cant wait to get the exhaust fixed and get the EGT and boost gauges setup. Maybe a dyno and track day are in order
I will probably take the turbo off again and have the adapter plates machined down some to make them flat.
RE: My 1987 300D - jonbobshinigin - 09-15-2011
Yup, 0-60 data, boost data at what rpms, etc. I am excited! You are doing great and keeping well documented for the rest of us.
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-16-2011
what i did on one of the turbos i pulled apart is i just used one of the mounting holes for the waste gate (just made sure it was extra tight) so it gives you that extra 20 or so deg between the holes and will still open the waste gate properly.
edit- WTF why is the wastegate actuator mount welded on to the compressor housing?!??!! makes no sence!
so i understand your delma. which blows. i shall ponder and see if i can think of anything help full. (other than cutting and remounting the wastegate actuator mount)
RE: My 1987 300D - willbhere4u - 09-16-2011
Cool stuff thanks for the pictures
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-16-2011
(09-16-2011, 09:06 AM)iheartboost what i did on one of the turbos i pulled apart is i just used one of the mounting holes for the waste gate (just made sure it was extra tight) so it gives you that extra 20 or so deg between the holes and will still open the waste gate properly.Ya I looked at doing this as well. Might still do it.
edit- WTF why is the wastegate actuator mount welded on to the compressor housing?!??!! makes no sence!
so i understand your delma. which blows. i shall ponder and see if i can think of anything help full. (other than cutting and remounting the wastegate actuator mount)
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-16-2011
Quote:(04:30:17 PM) Danielwgk: http://superturbodiesel.com/images/benz/hy30w.on.om603/DSCF1218.JPG
(04:30:26 PM) Danielwgk: you run your local hardware stores out of hose clamps?
EVERYONE IS A CRITIC. LOL.
Yes this will be fixored!
More fail :
Quote:(04:32:58 PM) Danielwgk: i had to rag on ya
(04:32:58 PM) Danielwgk: lol
(04:33:02 PM) Danielwgk: i dont even have a turbo...
(04:33:59 PM) Danielwgk: im still laughing
RE: My 1987 300D - jonbobshinigin - 09-16-2011
Haha...I'm just wanting you to get it right so that we can learn from you/use you as a guinea pig. We just wanna see results :-)
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-16-2011
Went for first real test drive today, got the exhaust sorted out until I can afford a custom setup. Yes the intake plumbing was temporary! That lip on the turbo blew a whole in the silicone (cut right through it). I had to stop at Home Depot and get duct tape and limp home.
The not so good news, spooling only starts at 2100rpm. The good news, seems to be fully spooled by 2500! I will reclock it and find a perm solution.
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-16-2011
im sure the spool will be a tad better with a proper down pipe and then once its flowing right. (clocked right, no leaks, machined down adapter plates) but as im sure you know its a larger turbo so itll take a bit longer to spool and imo 2500 isent that bad esp cuz we are autos so we stay in the power band more so and never go out of boost.
looks like you have done the guess work for me. once i have money ill probably be using this turbo. im trying (first) to max out the pump so ~200 whp right?
edit- btw my vote is just run an open turbo
(with a filter obviously or screen if your feeling adventuresome)
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-19-2011
I ground most of the lip off the compressor out last night. Need to get a smaller grinder to do the rest. The good thing about the C clip retainer ring on the compressor. I was able to reclock the housing on the engine just by turning the housing. Total win.
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-19-2011
Wait. You dident have to remove the c clip? I feel like its nit sealing right if you can reclock with out removing it.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-19-2011
(09-19-2011, 08:02 AM)iheartboost Wait. You dident have to remove the c clip? I feel like its nit sealing right if you can reclock with out removing it.
Oh its on there tight, never you fear....
RE: My 1987 300D - willbhere4u - 09-19-2011
(09-16-2011, 11:17 PM)iheartboost 2500 isent that bad esp cuz we are autos so we stay in the power band more so and never go out of boost.
winmutt's cars is a 5spd manual
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-19-2011
(09-19-2011, 10:15 AM)winmutt Oh its on there tight, never you fear....
mkay lol. just dont want something stupid like a leaking compressor housing robbing your power. glad to hear that re clocking worked out well.
(09-19-2011, 10:56 AM)willbhere4u winmutt's cars is a 5spd manual
ohhhhhh lol. i see. i plan to keep mine auto. the cobalt a manual so i get my fix there.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-20-2011
Alrighty. Went to harbor freight last night and got a 4" grinder and a few other goodies (that will teach my wife to leave the Sunday paper laying around without yanking the HF ad out). I went to Advanced Auto for some new silicone adapters but alas they did not have a 2 -> 2.5". I figured it was time to go to the source:
Its about 45 min away from me. They had a few cool cars out in the parking lot (I didn't get a close shot wanted to get the car done).
And they had one of these in the front window:
The 2"->2.5" adapter is just long enough that with a 2.5" ring welded into the OE intake pipe it will all fit with one nice piece. The blue crap I got at AA is not nearly as good as the stuff at summit. I forget the name but its fabric reinforced, thinner, and clearly better quality. I have a 90' of the same stuff from older projects.
Still no boost or EGT gauge hooked up. I am not hitting 16psi (yet) but I have been keeping it pretty minimal lacking the EGT setup.
RE: My 1987 300D - JustPassinThru - 09-20-2011
What air filter is that, shown in the first picture of post #125?
(edited
Thanks.
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-20-2011
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-cone-cold-air-intake-filter-pipe-QUESTION?pid=12549#pid12549
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-20-2011
I want a not shitty intake lol. I should pull out all the stuff there.
kinda off topic. but still on topic.
what can the om603 rev to safely? like 5k? 5.5k?
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-20-2011
Mine has been seeing alot of 5k lately. So first gear is pretty crappy but second and third get quite lively. I hear the whoosh of a leak but that will have to wait to the weekend.
RE: My 1987 300D - willbhere4u - 09-21-2011
Take more pics of the intake at you improve it!
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 09-23-2011
Ah leaks. I tightened the piping clamps some this morning, seems like I picked up another -500rpm for spool
RE: My 1987 300D - iheartboost - 09-23-2011
dam dude. 500 from just leaks. thats fantastic! i know what turbo ill be looking for when i go to get a different one lol.
also means you had pretty bad leaks... lol
BTW vids!!!!
RE: My 1987 300D - winmutt - 10-04-2011
I have lots of leaking both oil and coolant. Coolant probably from tstat housing and oil from the drain flange. If anyone else considers this project please pay attention to this :
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/331710-garrett-holset-turbo-users-your-oil-drain-may-too-small.html
Hopefully I will get some more diag on the car this weekend. Really been letting her sit till I can get the new head on. The clacking is just to effing annoying.