(09-20-2012, 04:08 PM)JustPassinThru Actually, I am not willing to risk my car by entrusting such a critical component as the IP to someone who cannot even spell the word "scenes." Strike three, kid. You're out, as far as I'm concerned.

(09-20-2012, 09:56 PM)OM616 I can see how it could be interpreted that I want to go into the pump business with all the information I have put out there, but I also have stressed that I am not excited about the idea.

Did the bubble burst?.... I am not sure there was a bubble in the first place.

I guess one could say that I am a greedy capitalist.... and I would agree. If I am the only option to get a MW worked on, (which I am not), then am I obligated to supply services that other shops won't, as in, choose not to? If I have five pumps on a shelf, is it my duty to dispense them equally so everyone has one, ya know, so it is fair? I do find it interesting how attitudes can be affected by the concept of supply and demand. No offence to anyone, just an observation on my part.

Fear not good people.... Dieselmeken hinted at making some MW elements.

I will put this to the forum, Regardless of if I agree to build any other pumps, do I keep posting, or close it up?

(09-20-2012, 08:52 PM)OM616 Thanks to everyone who “gets it”, the problem is there are just too many who don’t.

I did get a good laugh though…. “NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!

(09-21-2012, 06:19 AM)winmutt I vote that we buy a couple of six packs, sit out in the sun during the last days of summer and crack old farts and even older jokes.

(09-19-2012, 02:26 AM)JustPassinThru What I need to establish before I leap into a set of the 10 mm elements is, whether the nozzles recommended to go with them (the 315's) spray equally well as the 261's I have, using my fuel, and what pop pressure is ideal.

(09-20-2012, 12:10 PM)Greazzer I got a set of injectors spot on at 2,000 PSI, +/- 10 PSI (very very time consuming) so I will post my resuts shortly on the Phoenix Project Thread in the projects.

(09-20-2012, 12:45 PM)JustPassinThru Can someone please tell me, out of what vehicle(s) (if any) I could go pull some 315 nozzles?

(09-21-2012, 06:47 PM)Greazzer For example, if set at 2,000 psi, it will pop 1999, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1998, et cet., but never over 2,005 or under 1995 unless you get a weird pop which I dont count.

(10-02-2012, 04:20 PM)lpumb3 OM616 , how much boost will i need to support this pump setup .

(10-02-2012, 05:19 PM)lpumb3 Did you say , that the standard injectors elements , are between 50/65cc/k . and that you were aiming to see 90cc/k per event ? please correct me if im wrong that was a ways back into the thread . whats the end goal HP/tq of this element,dv,nozzle combo ? i feel like you stated that the delivery event was what the goal was here not overall volume fuel. but how quickly your delivering it . if i wanted to run this pump on a daily what sacrifices will i have to make ? would i be driving a sled puller or something oi can still get good hwy mpgs in ?

(10-03-2012, 11:00 AM)lpumb3 will the pump your building be suitable for this level tune or , do you have some thing more mild youve already built ? should i pm you so as not to divert the thread from 10mm discussion with that said , where will the possiblity of to much fuel come into play . is that where the pump tuning can fine tune the volume being delivered or is that the nozzle/dv/elements cohesive job ?

im just trying to grasp the operation of the pump and its balance between elements dvs lines injectors etc.

(10-04-2012, 01:03 PM)lpumb3 i understand OM616 , its a rather broad question hun . im not trying to pry oi suppose to much into the recipe you have there , i guess im trying to get a better grasp on the way the pump is working . and the balance of waht your doing ?
ill wait to see the results what your up to is getting epic so i cant wait to see.
any advice on finding the more basic info im after as far as these pumps go ? does any one have any cutaways running ?
i will now stalk this thread silently . thanks again

(10-06-2012, 03:30 AM)lowlf13 i've noticed that you haven't been mentioning the "M" pump as much in the later posts as you have the "MW" pump.
would the price and mechanical work listed previously be similar? and would you do both pumps or just one style?

(10-06-2012, 03:30 AM)lowlf13 and will your pump have a "hp rating" that YOU are hoping to achieve? i understand you're more for fuel mileage, but i'm sure you can throw an estimated figure out there.

(10-07-2012, 06:52 PM)DeliveryValve Wow to see it in person, these MW 10mm plungers and barrels are huge compared to the 5.5mm P's and B's.

Bosch 5.5mm vs Chinahanji 10mm pictures.

(10-07-2012, 10:13 AM)OM616

(10-06-2012, 03:30 AM)lowlf13 i've noticed that you haven't been mentioning the "M" pump as much in the later posts as you have the "MW" pump.
would the price and mechanical work listed previously be similar? and would you do both pumps or just one style?

The parts of the M pump are not as common as the MW ones are, and as a result, they are harder to get and are more expensive.

As I am in the USA, my primary focus is on the MW as that is what we have, and no one really has done anything with them. The Europeans race the cars over there and they have M pumps, so that is why there is hot rod parts for them.

Personally I prefer the design of the MW / RW combination, and at present it is my primary interest. But..... I have had a thought to build a Mega-M-Pump for grins.

There are two members on this forum who are experts in building M pumps, so the shortage of available talent is not like it is with the MW. My first recommendation would be to contact members PP D and Dieselmeken, they both have their own threads for M pumps.

(10-06-2012, 03:30 AM)lowlf13 and will your pump have a "hp rating" that YOU are hoping to achieve? i understand you're more for fuel mileage, but i'm sure you can throw an estimated figure out there.

LOL..... I love this question.... let me put it this way... I am not going to put my car on a dyno and run the piss out of it, so... any number I would give would only start an argument about it not being backed up and such...

I could also just through out some delivery quantities, but again the argument would be about fuel control and drivability...

I have learned not to post any numbers.. sorry, these threads can get bogged down by arguments very quickly.

If you have an application that you are shopping for, we can talk privately about it.

(10-28-2012, 10:53 AM)Austincarnut So Why not just build a bad ass MW? Let's get some like-minded members together to collaborate on a bulletproof design. Let's work it out to where it is a bolt-on w/ adequate turbo match to make a very impressive affordable result. Let's package these and sell them to all who want them. Why do we have to do it the way they they do it in Europe?! Why not work with what we have? Let's not forget that none of us are of the chevy 350 run of the mill hot rod crowd, we are odd ball diesel 5 cyl weirdos, we're supposed to do things differently. The turbos can be gone through cheaply as they are common as are the pumps. Swapping out these two with a few other mods might encourage more to see our perspective and encourage more bolt on performance alternatives to the OM616/617.

(10-27-2012, 11:24 AM)lpumb3

(10-07-2012, 06:52 PM)DeliveryValve Wow to see it in person, these MW 10mm plungers and barrels are huge compared to the 5.5mm P's and B's.

Bosch 5.5mm vs Chinahanji 10mm pictures.

Hi Dv , question , can you locate the 6.0mm dv,elements ?

(10-28-2012, 03:10 PM)lpumb3 hi there , i know i said id stalk silently but..... can any body gey me the 60mm elements and dv for my pump ?as well as slightly larger injectors , or point me in the right direction . planning 60 trim upgrade for the turbo and as i replace gaskets , port matching as much as i can . when the head comes off more head work.
i will be looking for a pump tuner for the final calibrations .............

(10-31-2012, 10:32 AM)lpumb3 ....DN0SD314 MERCEDES-BENZ OM602.962 Would this be a larger cc injector ? im assuming the last 3#s are displacement designations?

(10-28-2012, 03:00 PM)OM616

(10-28-2012, 10:53 AM)Austincarnut So Why not just build a bad ass MW? Let's get some like-minded members together to collaborate on a bulletproof design. Let's work it out to where it is a bolt-on w/ adequate turbo match to make a very impressive affordable result. Let's package these and sell them to all who want them. Why do we have to do it the way they they do it in Europe?! Why not work with what we have? Let's not forget that none of us are of the chevy 350 run of the mill hot rod crowd, we are odd ball diesel 5 cyl weirdos, we're supposed to do things differently. The turbos can be gone through cheaply as they are common as are the pumps. Swapping out these two with a few other mods might encourage more to see our perspective and encourage more bolt on performance alternatives to the OM616/617.

I see a lot of "we" and "Let's" in your post, lol.

(10-31-2012, 11:06 AM)Volker407

(10-31-2012, 10:32 AM)lpumb3 ....DN0SD314 MERCEDES-BENZ OM602.962 Would this be a larger cc injector ? im assuming the last 3#s are displacement designations?

the last 3 #s never tell anything about the nozzle. They are just random code #s

Gruß
Volker

(11-01-2012, 12:04 PM)lpumb3 got it , i was talking to a bosio supplier and he told me he can gat met the slighly larger cc injectors .

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so with the help of OM, and DV , i was able to find a fguy ! , for elements and nozzles . larger displacement bosios , and 7mm elements in two finish types , on for sustained revs in 4.5-5k range , and the lesser finish those not ice racing i suppose .

(10-31-2012, 08:34 PM)Austincarnut HA!, What I meant by all of that 'we and let's' was as a superturbo diesel nerd community, we should all collaborate. Those of us who have access, knowledge and experience w/ the right way to do things are invaluable to someone looking for answers or services.

(11-01-2012, 04:30 PM)OM616

(11-01-2012, 12:04 PM)lpumb3 got it , i was talking to a bosio supplier and he told me he can gat met the slighly larger cc injectors .

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so with the help of OM, and DV , i was able to find a fguy ! , for elements and nozzles . larger displacement bosios , and 7mm elements in two finish types , on for sustained revs in 4.5-5k range , and the lesser finish those not ice racing i suppose .

I received some Bosio 314 nozzles last month.

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(10-31-2012, 08:34 PM)Austincarnut HA!, What I meant by all of that 'we and let's' was as a superturbo diesel nerd community, we should all collaborate. Those of us who have access, knowledge and experience w/ the right way to do things are invaluable to someone looking for answers or services.

I have spent a couple of years researching and making contacts / Friends with technical experience for my MW pump build project. I have learned a lot!!

I am almost done collecting the parts to build a calibration machine, and when it is built, I will be installing the lager elements and other parts to make a MW super pump.

I am looking at the timing advance mechanism right now. I want to recurve it to better match the larger elements and gain more power with a quiet idle.

I owe thanks to many members on a both forums for my progress.

(11-01-2012, 04:30 PM)OM616

(11-01-2012, 12:04 PM)lpumb3 got it , i was talking to a bosio supplier and he told me he can gat met the slighly larger cc injectors .

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so with the help of OM, and DV , i was able to find a fguy ! , for elements and nozzles . larger displacement bosios , and 7mm elements in two finish types , on for sustained revs in 4.5-5k range , and the lesser finish those not ice racing i suppose .

I received some Bosio 314 nozzles last month.

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(10-31-2012, 08:34 PM)Austincarnut HA!, What I meant by all of that 'we and let's' was as a superturbo diesel nerd community, we should all collaborate. Those of us who have access, knowledge and experience w/ the right way to do things are invaluable to someone looking for answers or services.

I have spent a couple of years researching and making contacts / Friends with technical experience for my MW pump build project. I have learned a lot!!

I am almost done collecting the parts to build a calibration machine, and when it is built, I will be installing the lager elements and other parts to make a MW super pump.

I am looking at the timing advance mechanism right now. I want to recurve it to better match the larger elements and gain more power with a quiet idle.

I owe thanks to many members on a both forums for my progress.

(11-01-2012, 08:10 PM)Austincarnut By timing advance mechanism, are you referring to the intermediate gear assembly that hangs in front of the pump? There are several super-cessions in the progression of these engines. I've seen people mod these to change the curve on a slightly turned up pump. I went through a fiasco trying to match up one of these for a 616 I bought that had a broken timing chain. The gear was destroyed so I bought a replacement that was much older, then found out it wouldn't work. Anyway I realized how many different intermediate versions were made and how they match/affect performance output.... The mods made were crude and primitive but were a stretch in the right direction. Why stop there, why not build an adjustable unit?

(11-19-2012, 03:38 PM)300SD81 OM616, have you built a drivable MW with 6mm for the 617? I may have a need for your services soon if you have.

(11-19-2012, 05:05 PM)OM616

(11-19-2012, 03:38 PM)300SD81 OM616, have you built a drivable MW with 6mm for the 617? I may have a need for your services soon if you have.

Tomnik was the only one that made 6mm elements for the MW pump and I never acquired any from him.

6mm is so close to 5.5mm that I would not hesitate to have any reputable pump shop install them. They will be able to set it up to stock out put specks with out too much trouble, then you can turn it up as you like.


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IMOP, if you are going to go big, you might as well go 10mm and be done with it. With the correct parts and settings, they can be made to put out less than stock, lol. But... to do that, you need to know what parts to use and how to set it up.

(11-19-2012, 05:27 PM)300SD81

(11-19-2012, 05:05 PM)OM616 IMOP, if you are going to go big, you might as well go 10mm and be done with it. With the correct parts and settings, they can be made to put out less than stock, lol. But... to do that, you need to know what parts to use and how to set it up.

oops, that was a typo, don't know where I got 6 from! I meant 10mm elements.

(11-19-2012, 09:20 PM)raysorenson I'd be interested in 8mm MW elements if they were better for my application than 10mm. Perhaps you could tell me what would be best for my application.

This will be in an FJ40 Landcruiser, manual trans, small VNT, as much intercooler as I'd ever need, 200 hp max. It will need adequate torque at low rpms for rock crawling and towing.