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RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-28-2011
well THERE'S yer problem
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two of the glow plugs, with a new one for comparison. i had two new ones on hand, off to kragen to get 2 more. engine is cranking nice and fast but i think those plugs are completely toasted, hopefully that's the only reason it isn't firing up.
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 03-28-2011
Thatll do it
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-28-2011
after farting around for a while and talking with garage, turns out i had not purged all the air out of the fuel system. because i had replaced the hard plastic lines, and the injector hard lines, there was a TON of air in the system. spent a bunch of time pumping away at the primer pump until no foam came from the return line. after that everything started great!
the glow plugs may not have been to blame after all, but the new plugs are in already now and it can't hurt. i'm going to see if the old ones glow properly at the tips later, maybe they can go into the bins for spares.
RE: stan's 240D - ForcedInduction - 03-28-2011
(03-28-2011, 03:12 PM)stan well THERE'S yer problem
Thats only a different tip design. Bosch and Buru use conical tips.
Please tell me thats not an Autolite on the right....
RE: stan's 240D - willbhere4u - 03-28-2011
Auto Light the official glow plug of NASCAR my buddy put some in and they lasted almost two months!
RE: stan's 240D - 300D50 - 03-28-2011
I have the "lifetime replacement" champion hoop types...
I think I bought 4, and I've replaced 16...
This engine's getting the collars to upgrade to pencil plugs, it's on the list for the next Rusty order.
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 03-28-2011
Awesome to see this thing with a running engine!
Did you drive it around the block yet or what??
Air in the system is a bitch..a that little inline fuel pump really kicks ass when it comes to that.
I pull Bosch GPs from junkyard cars on the regular, they almost always have a charge and work a good while.
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-28-2011
(03-28-2011, 07:26 PM)ForcedInduction Thats only a different tip design. Bosch and Buru use conical tips.
Please tell me thats not an Autolite on the right....
The more you know! Yes they are autolite.
RE: stan's 240D - dieselboy - 03-29-2011
It's beru not buru. I wouldn't use autobreakoffnolight glowplugs in anything.
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-29-2011
(03-29-2011, 12:56 AM)dieselboy It's beru not buru. I wouldn't use autobreakoffnolight glowplugs in anything.
i am understanding correctly that you're saying autolite glowplugs are known for having the tips break off into the engine? that would be supremely fucking bad....jesus christ.
RE: stan's 240D - dieselboy - 03-29-2011
Unfortunately yes. That's what they are known for.
RE: stan's 240D - Captain America - 03-29-2011
Didnt I provide phone tech support to you today Muther (@#%^%$&%!
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-29-2011
(03-29-2011, 01:44 AM)Captain America Didnt I provide phone tech support to you today Muther (@#%^%$&%!
your answer didn't fix it!
RE: stan's 240D - Captain America - 03-29-2011
Sounds like you with held information lol
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 03-29-2011
Oh Captain, im sure my tech support was much more PROfessional! hahaha
Why didnt you just tell stan to pour some gasoline down the intake?
Thatll get her started! ha
RE: stan's 240D - Captain America - 03-29-2011
Im sure yours was ... Im a dick lol
I told him to fill it up with ether!
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-29-2011
hooking up shifter linkages, bleeding and hooking up the clutch lines, and installing the front half of the driveshaft. also need to drop the exhaust support so i can bolt it up all proper. after that *crossed fingers* it should be able to drive down the road, and just need minor things straightened out.
RE: stan's 240D - JB3 - 03-29-2011
awesome!
you need to get a hand vacuum pump for further potential air issues, also works great telling you if you have restriction in your fuel line. Mityvac I think is the most common version. I use mine all the time, way more for fuel than for brake bleeding!
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 03-29-2011
(03-29-2011, 12:49 PM)Captain America Im sure yours was ... Im a dick lol
I told him to fill it up with ether!
Dick
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-29-2011
shift linkages are all hooked up, had to go to the dealership to get two new ones for $2 each (lost some in the garage). clutch is all bled and working good now.
started putting the front half of the driveshaft in but its being a puta so i said fuck this i'll do it later. might just drop the center support so i can line it all up nicely.
radiator and hoses are all good, let them sit filled overnight and no leaks so far.
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-29-2011
Driveshaft is back together, but I can't move it enough to slip back onto the tranny. Do I need to undo the 41/46mm sleeve nut or just drop the center support?
RE: stan's 240D - willbhere4u - 03-29-2011
Drop the center support! it way easier!
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-30-2011
(03-29-2011, 10:50 PM)willbhere4u Drop the center support! it way easier!
parking brake cable (i think thats what it is) is in the way so the driveshaft cant droop enough to make room. i think i may just drop the differential to let me move the whole assembly backwards enough to insert the front of the driveshaft into the back fo the tranny. my other option is loosening the sleeve nuts and compressing the driveshaft, but that would mean i need to go buy a 46mm wrench and a 41mm wrench $$$$$$$$$
calling it a day for now, im tired greasy and bleeding
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-30-2011
that drive shaft was a huge pain in the ass, but once i dropped the dif i was able to get enough clearance to get it in. got the exhaust all bolted up. its too hot out to mess with the exhaust hangar doughnuts and im not even sure if the ones i have are the right size, so i tied the rear of the exhaust up into place really securely for now.
the car is *this* close to being driveable, just need to figure out how to get tools onto the other side of the flex disc bolts so i can torque them down proper. once those are tight, it will be time for a test drive!
in the process of doing all the driveshaft stuff, i discovered my center support rubber is totally thrashed. that will need to be replaced before i do any real driving (i'm sure its ok just to move the car in and out of the garage) which is a bummer.....but at least i discovered it that way rather than having it fail at speed.
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-30-2011
oh jeez what did i do now......
tried to take the car out for a drive. something is up with the clutch - it does not engage. the pedal feels fine and normal, but when you let the clutch pedal out, it BARELY seems to be engaged. i was able to do a lap around my neighborhood, but in 1st gear it could not climb up my very gently sloped driveway. it had enough power that i was able to push it with one food and hit the accelerator pedal with the other, and slowly inch into the garage.
what the hell????
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 03-30-2011
Sounds like it isnt bled?
Bleeding these clutches is a PAIN...
You may have to pump it 1000times...im not effffing kidding either dude.
Pumping it while driving it down the road is what finally did it for me..
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-30-2011
(03-30-2011, 06:59 PM)garage Sounds like it isnt bled?
Bleeding these clutches is a PAIN...
You may have to pump it 1000times...im not effffing kidding either dude.
Pumping it while driving it down the road is what finally did it for me..
no the problem is the clutch is *not* grabbing. if it was not bled i would expect it to be stuck...?
right now i can idle the car at a dead stop with it in first gear and the clutch pedal totally released.
RE: stan's 240D - willbhere4u - 03-30-2011
It's slipping? suck
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 03-31-2011
going to have to drop the driveshaft and transmission tomorrow to figure out whats up with the clutch. soooooo annoying after i just wrestled with getting the driveshaft in.
once that is sorted out, i need to get an air filter and mount it / the housing. i need to splice the starter solenoid wire to the new harness. will need to fix up the passenger side paint like i did the driver's side, and paint the passenger side wheels.
other stuff:
-center support needs to be replaced - its rubber is all junky.
-oil pressure gauge line needs to be reattached (engine's line is blocked for now, car's line will get new end put on)
-need to track down a proper 240D throttle linkage assembly. the one i have now is from another model and works but isn't great.
-still need to replace the transmission fluid
-once i've put some time on the regular water in the cooling system, need to drain that and fill it with proper zerex g05. making sure there are no leaks before i pour in $45 of coolant.
-need to verify vacuum system/accesory functions, and troubleshoot whatever issues show up.
i may be selling the car once its driveable. waiting to hear back about a job i interviewed for - if i don't get the job then the car has to go.
if i dont sell, i'll be pouring more love into it to fix the little things that will matter to me. various small dings on the body, new flex discs, new hood ornament, cleaning the carpets, tracking down a crack-free dash, replacing the stereo system, hooking the AC up and charging it. i need to finish my painted valve cover (errors had to be corrected) and then install that.
RE: stan's 240D - yankneck696 - 03-31-2011
Could the clutch disk be in backwards?
Ed
RE: stan's 240D - led-panzer - 03-31-2011
Hold on to your ass for that center bearing. All the parts dealers in town didn't have it (at least here) and the stealership is the last resort, I got mine online (had to buy the rubber mount and bearing separately) and it cost me 60 bucks before shipping. Cheapest I found on that same site was around 40-50 but I went with the better one because its definitely not a job I'd want to do again any time soon.
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 03-31-2011
You can get alot more $$$ for that new-ish VW compared to that old hunka steel!!!
RE: stan's 240D - winmutt - 04-01-2011
(03-28-2011, 09:50 PM)stan(03-28-2011, 07:26 PM)ForcedInduction Thats only a different tip design. Bosch and Buru use conical tips.
Please tell me thats not an Autolite on the right....
The more you know! Yes they are autolite.
This is what happens when you use autolite glow plugs :
![[Image: prechamber1.jpg]](http://superturbodiesel.com/images/benz/w123%20maintentance/om617%20broken%20prechamber/prechamber1.jpg)
![[Image: prechamber2.jpg]](http://superturbodiesel.com/images/benz/w123%20maintentance/om617%20broken%20prechamber/prechamber2.jpg)
![[Image: prechamber3.jpg]](http://superturbodiesel.com/images/benz/w123%20maintentance/om617%20broken%20prechamber/prechamber3.jpg)
Would you like to guess where the rest of my prechambers, pintles and glow plug tips went?
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 04-01-2011
Man that is just totally pathetic!
How are they even in business if there producing crap like that...im sure glad ive never even seen one of those in person..
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 04-01-2011
damn...and i guess its too late to return them now that they got installed and ran on.....
in other news, i think i figured out my clutch problem. everyone's guesses were wrong! turns out i installed the clutch fork wrong. the little clip that holds one side to the pivot post thing - i didnt realize that was a clip, so i had installed teh fork just sitting on top of that. i guess the clip caused the fork to put pressure on the pressure plate enough to cause my issue. we'll see what happens when i put everything back in.
oh and fuck everything about this hot weather. especially when i'm trying to be good about wearing my coveralls and gloves.
RE: stan's 240D - winmutt - 04-01-2011
Its never to late to throw them away.
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 04-01-2011
as much as i appreciate how light the 4 speed is in comparison to the autos, it sure is a bitch trying to put it back in without a tranny jack. still working on that right now. hopefully a test drive this afternoon will go well!
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 04-01-2011
Thank goodness for peachparts ay?!
Its only gonna get hotter dude!!
You gotta love rolling in a Benz with no AC and 105degree heat beating down on the California desert...goodtimes
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 04-01-2011
if i am rolling in the benz this summer, i will be sure that the AC is working. and remember i have the daily, with dark tint and a modern climate control system.
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 04-01-2011
I was speaking from past experiance haha
RE: stan's 240D - Captain America - 04-01-2011
AC is for weenies. I dont have AC in any of my vehicles. I'm with Garage. I don't mind it one bit
RE: stan's 240D - yankneck696 - 04-01-2011
No AC in SW Floriduhhh.
Ed
RE: stan's 240D - winmutt - 04-01-2011
(04-01-2011, 05:54 PM)garage Thank goodness for peachparts ay?!
Its only gonna get hotter dude!!
You gotta love rolling in a Benz with no AC and 105degree heat beating down on the California desert...goodtimes
Oh you have to get to the desert for 105? I can get that walking out the front door.
RE: stan's 240D - willbhere4u - 04-01-2011
Try 117* in Scottsdale AZ
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 04-01-2011
All of Southern California is desert.
Ive experianced 110-115 out here before no problem.
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 04-01-2011
ok everything is all assembled. i was ready to take a test drive when i discovered that my repaired clutch line is gushing fluid at the fitting. going to have to take it back to the hose shop, hopefully they are open tomorrow so i don't have to wait until monday.
(04-01-2011, 05:54 PM)garage Thank goodness for peachparts ay?!
actually nobody on peachparts pinned the issue, they all said different things - turned out to be something random.
RE: stan's 240D - willbhere4u - 04-01-2011
Dang about the clutch line!
Glad to here it was something simple with the clutch!
RE: stan's 240D - stan - 04-01-2011
(04-01-2011, 09:43 PM)willbhere4u Dang about the clutch line!
Glad to here it was something simple with the clutch!
we'll see once i get that clutch line swapped out. i'm going to be really bummed if i swap lines and the clutch still isnt grabbing.
RE: stan's 240D - 300D50 - 04-01-2011
Most clutch systems with fluid leaks fail in the "engaged" mode.
Wire the stop lever to OFF, then hit the starter while in first gear/reverse.
If car moves, you're likely good.
RE: stan's 240D - garage - 04-01-2011
(04-01-2011, 09:39 PM)stan actually nobody on peachparts pinned the issue, they all said different things - turned out to be something random.
Oh...Well thank goodness for the problem solving capabilities of the human brain then ay!?