W124 OM606 STD in California - Printable Version

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RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - hooblah - 12-23-2016

The quick and dirty approach would be to get the manifold red hot and twist it so it lines up. Oxy acetylene ftw.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 12-23-2016

Problem is it needs to come forward, not change angle...

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Sultzi - 12-24-2016

Was that manifold really made for 124? So way off... I would just buy some another manifold Smile

Pyry (PTRacing) here in finland makes awesome manifolds, I have one and atypicalguy has also one there in states too. Both of them are compound setups and mine fits in 124 chassis with two turbos between engine and the original heat shield which 603turbo has originally covering the air filter and coolant tank.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Max - 12-24-2016

(12-24-2016, 04:13 AM)Sultzi Was that manifold really made for 124? So way off... I would just buy some another manifold

If that Manifold was made specific for a w124 and the actual mounted Turbo, i woul´d send it back to wehre you bought it, and get it fixed.

Greets

Max

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - 124diesel - 12-24-2016

(12-24-2016, 11:22 AM)Max
(12-24-2016, 04:13 AM)Sultzi Was that manifold really made for 124? So way off... I would just buy some another manifold

If that Manifold was made specific for a w124 and the actual mounted Turbo, i woul´d send it back to wehre you bought it, and get it fixed.

Greets

Max

I'm with Max. The fabricator should pay for shipping both ways and fix the issue. No buyer should have to deal with this especially a brand new purpose built item. The manifold needs to come up towards the front 1.5-2.5 inches and positioned closer to the head 1-2 inches. If you looks at Whipplem104 build he was able to fit a 4 inch down pipe and two waste gate pipes along side in that space..

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - hooblah - 12-25-2016

Haha they're not wrong Jon. I'd suggest you approach the matter delicately...

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - whipplem104 - 12-25-2016

It is always best to ask for something than to demand. But it really bothers me that someone builds these parts and they do not fit the car that they were requested for. The whole point is that you are not getting a custom made part and that someone has jigged it up and it works. I get requests for headers from people and I simply say no. I do not have that car and a spare engine laying around to make it fit. And they do not want to spend the money. But honestly anything really decent in the volume of these cars is gong to be triple the money. That is the difference between a design and just building something though.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 12-25-2016

I appreciate the advice guys. I'll see what can be done if anything. Right now I'm exploring other options.

I agree with you all, and its unfortunate that i waited this long to fit it to my engine as it would have been easier to address earlier on.

If there were small adjustments to be made i could deal with it, but the fact that the wastegate bolt sits inside the coolant pipe hole & there is simply no room for the downpipe at all, its just not worth cutting up to make it work. I paid a good sum of money for this piece, im pretty gutted.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - uli124125 - 12-26-2016

hi
call the seller and write him that you have bought a manifold fitting the W124,
send him the photo and ask what the further way will be.

and: when the seller says that he will fix it then tell us this, too

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - DiseaselWeasel - 12-26-2016

Seller claims in his signature that he can solve any exhaust manifold issues Big Grin

What a bummer... That's why I don't leave anything to "experts"...

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 02-16-2017

Hopefully ill have some cooler photos and better progress to post next week. I've got a good 2 weeks of time off of work starting next week & some big parts on the way!

New manifold from Hents99 is showing up tomorrow!

Gearbox from Hooblah should be on the way any day now.

Im about to order my gearbox controller from Ole.

Now its down to installing stuff and doing the little things. Changing up the plan a bit from before. I'm going to just stick a new factory W210 radiator & overflow tank in. Maybe factory electric fan, or aftermarket - unsure on the fans yet. Selling my BMW diff, just going to use the stock diff for now then toss in an aftermarket LSD like wavetrac or something.

Once the radiator and stuff is in ill measure and order an intercooler. Still need to route & plumb my bosch 044 lift pump. And i need to find some fittings/plugs for my Dieselmekken pump - since its a core from something older than my engine the press fit fuel fittings wont work, i need banjo bolt ones - this is going to be a little annoying to figure out.

After the gearbox is in too i can find out how far off the stock propshaft is and cut/fit one half properly.

Going to order some Ground Control coilovers shortly - local company & they make an epic product for the 124/201 (just look at Joshua's build thread on here). I've already rebuild the front end steering components and done the arms/tie rods etc. I'll do all of the rear arms and bushings when the coilovers go in.

Brake wise i have a pair of E420 calipers i was given that need rebuilding. Those 2 pots with some decent pads should suffice for now since i still want to run 16 inch wheels.

One of my close friends is completely re wiring my factory harness since its 100% fucked all the way through.

Just need to write this stuff down here so i dont lose track of plans.

Gave my old block/head to Joshua so hopefully he can pioneer some rod options/fitment and whatnot for us guys here in the USA as i know he is quite excited to blow up his stock 606 once it gets running Wink

Bought a W202 shifter assembly per Ole's recommendation. EBay seller threw in a free shift knob that was in great shape!

Until next time -

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Max - 02-17-2017

Quote:And i need to find some fittings/plugs for my Dieselmekken pump - since its a core from something older than my engine the press fit fuel fittings wont work, i need banjo bolt ones - this is going to be a little annoying to figure out.

Just use the Fuelfilter Housing + Lines from OM601-3 , its a bolt on to your OM606 ;-)

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Hario' - 02-17-2017

(02-17-2017, 08:18 AM)Max
Quote:And i need to find some fittings/plugs for my Dieselmekken pump - since its a core from something older than my engine the press fit fuel fittings wont work, i need banjo bolt ones - this is going to be a little annoying to figure out.

Just use the Fuelfilter Housing + Lines from OM601-3 , its a bolt on to your OM606 ;-)

It will be M12x1.5 banjo on the feed and return surely?

Or could do this type:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M12x1-5-METRIC-to-9mm-10mm-BLACK-BARB-PUSH-HOSE-TAIL-Straight-Fuel-Pump-Fitting-/370846282035?hash=item5658293133:g:wA8AAOxyx-BSbwmh

Like us EUROP-eans

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Lucian189 - 02-19-2017

Good to see some progres

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 03-05-2017

(12-24-2016, 04:13 AM)Sultzi Was that manifold really made for 124? So way off... I would just buy some another manifold

Pyry (PTRacing) here in finland makes awesome manifolds, I have one and atypicalguy has also one there in states too. Both of them are compound setups and mine fits in 124 chassis with two turbos between engine and the original heat shield which 603turbo has originally covering the air filter and coolant tank.

Yes +1 on the PT option. He has a front clip from a w124 in his shop and he test fits everything. If he did not have that, I would have had one made locally. Super nice craftsmanship and decent price.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 03-05-2017

Oh and one more thing. I never would have had the manifold made without shipping the turbos and gates to Pyry. He would also not have done the job without them. So for anyone building a motor, and ordering factory direct Holset turbos through Alcaid, just have him drop ship the turbos from the factory to whoever is making your manifold. It will save you several hundred dollars in shipping turbos to finland or wherever.

Robs I'm sorry your manifold did not fit. Did Hents99 make your new one, or is it left over from some other manufacturer? Digging your progress on the motor. Autoverdi will make new rods for 300 a copy if you like. But it seems like they only bend if the cylinder fills with water or something. So Im not opening it up.

I actually asked a few guys here in LA to do the work, but no one would touch it for what pyry wanted. And he knew the car and the motor.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Om606w201 - 03-16-2017

bump this to the top.

tranny is due in anytime know right!!

Lets here some details.

Being that your so close to me this is probably the first Super Turbo i am going to ride in.
Let me know if you need a cheer leader to see you through to the end.
As much as im not willing, ill wear the get up to set bitch.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 03-18-2017

A quick update before some real progress begins. Got the manifold from Hents99, made exactly to my spec. Tobad my specs were slightly off lol. The coldside of the HX40 was now hitting the valve cover. I ordered a split T3 flange to space it up a bit, worked perfectly. Now i just need to weld it ontop or double gasket it on.

Found an AMG kitted W124 wagon in our local yard thanks to Josh, i really wanted to save the front bumper since i have AMG side skirts & rear bumper, but it was just too damaged all over.

Didnt stop me from grabbing the cluster though Wink

Gearbox is here!!! 722.6 from a CDI. Strongest of the strong with no bellhousing swap required. Thanks hooblah Big Grin

Ordering my controller from Ole as we speak. Hope to have the gearbox bolted on by end of Tuesday.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - 97e300 - 03-18-2017

Holy balls where is that wagon????? When was this!!

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 03-18-2017

What CDI is that 722.6 from, and what is the full transmission number designation, if you dont mind? Thanks.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Sultzi - 03-19-2017

Pretty sure that 270cdi is the biggest that will fit without bellhousing change. 722.640 if I remember right? This also depends is't from 210 or 211 or 203 i think.

But changing the bellhousing is so easy so I would straight get a 320cdi tranny atleast which holds nicely over 700nm at stock.

I have made and reinforced my own boxes usually from 320cdi and one 270cdi for a friend. Have one 270cdi box waiting to be build, no place to put it thought.

But I wouldt even think about driving these cars with manual, with 722.6 in manual mode is so great! And so nice to drive daily like I do with the compound setup. Would be pain in the ass with manual.

Sorry for "offtopic", continue Smile

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Turbo - 03-19-2017

270cdi and 320 cdi are w5a580 means they where design to take 580nm as I have understand it but different face, but there are w5a900/w5a1000 that means they can cope with 900/1000nm continues load, these are found in the big engine like v12 bi turbo engines, as I have understand it shaft etc are different in those ones, so what not use it, just changing bellhausing from right gear box according to Turbobanditen and it shall work
I will try them out, in my experience all w5a580 I have badly slip on the lock up even under low load except one that was renovated
do we have a real expert on these gearboxes here?

Please continue in your great build Mr Robs

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Sultzi - 03-19-2017

whipplem104 is the expert here i would say Smile

270cdi and 320cdi have different amount of clutch discs inside them, so in theory that 320cdi should take more torque than 270cdi box due different amount of discs. And yes, both are modelled as w5a580.

You should always upgrade the turbine too, it has 2discs in std for the lockup, this will slip for sure. I have used upgraded turbine with 3discs for the lock and this seems to take atleast 830nm i have now. Never had slip with the actual gears (i have always run with upgraded boxes which i have done myself, more discs in the packs. Valve body is still a bit mystery for me, whipplem104 has upgraded version of this which will give much more pressure and control).

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 03-19-2017

We have a local builder who specializes in mercedes transmissions of all types, complete rebuilds used all over the country and for dealers etc. I explained my plan to use the 722.317 with a high powered 606. He said it is no problem to build that box to handle high torque and power. I mentioned this to whipplem104 and he said the quality of the shifts is difficult to regulate without electronic control. Has anyone here ever used the older, non electronic automatics? I figure I will use it until it breaks and then will either go to the 722.6, or rebuild this one for more strength. People say the 722.6 is so nice that it is tempting to put it in, but I really do not want another controller display to look at, throttle position sensor etc. Unless there is a serious benefit.

Thanks.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Turbo - 03-19-2017

ok thanks for the input, how many discs kan you have? single or dubbel sided or that does not matter?
I read somewhere you can run blue top solenoid that can take more pressure, but I have no experience or some one that has written in more extent about it

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 03-19-2017

I will have to ask the guy. It is mark at Sun valley mercedes tranmissions in van nuys, california. He mentioned he has built that transmission for twin turbo v8 motors before with high hp and torque and they have been durable. But he did say that it depends who builds the transmission :-)

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - awsrock - 03-20-2017

Turbobandit has some crazy clutch kit for the 722.3, but it is 780 euro...
Building yours to match a v12 unit should probably be easier and cheaper, they were rated at 550nm vs 400 for the others. I'll be keeping an eye on your project, I might upgrade my .3 as well

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Turbo - 03-20-2017

if I am not mistaken cl 600 bi turbo amg vertion had about 600Hp and 1000Nm of torque, and it had this gearbox as far as I know
The little bit funny part is that 5wa1000 "only" existed a short wile

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - whipplem104 - 03-20-2017

Ok,
So for the 1kth time the v12 box is not any better than a standard v8 box. The only thing bigger are the planetary sets and no one has ever blown them up from tq. The input shafts break 1st and the output shafts. And no one here is going to break one ever. I mean ever. No one makes anywhere near enough tq and no one is putting these in the weight vehicle that you could break one if you were. Until someone is making 1000lb/ft of tq at the wheels. Not crank and ft/lbs not nm. And it is in a G wagen you are all fine So stop worrying about it.
The simple formula here is get a donor bellhousing, and tq converter. Get a good v8 box from any 5l car. I mean any They are all the same .
If it is a 430 or a v6 or whatever they are going to have fewer clutches in them. 5.5 and v12 are not any better.
Swap the bellhousing and have your converter gone through and have the shop add a clutch or two for lock up if you want. But also do not try and lock up a tq converter at 2000rpm of slip. If you do not know what your slip rate is it is easy to figure out. Do not lock up your converter at high loads at low rpm. It will fail.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Turbo - 03-20-2017

was not the gear box to the cl 65 amg bi turbo slightly different? I thought you said it some where, blue tops solenoids and some clutches?
-"no one is not going to brake one ever..." I would be carefull saying that Wink

any way thank for the post

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - whipplem104 - 03-21-2017

Yes it is different. But it just has larger planetary gear sets. Same clutch count as any 5l gear box. You can look all this up in the epc. So there is no guess work. Blue tops do not increase the tq capacity of the transmission.
And of course transmissions break. They fail all the time from normal use at 100nm of tq. But my point is that in these cars and the weight they are and the power that they make and the tires that they have on them. No one here is going to break one from tq input.. If anyone on this planet has done more abuse to one of these than me, I would be surprised. And it would have to be intentional. LIke 6k neutral drops over and over until it broke.. Even then I do not think that one would fail before you broke all your axles and drive shaft and differential 100 times.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - polarisrmk - 04-11-2017

Where did you get that oil cooler from???? I am doing a 606 swap into my 95 station wagon and this would solve my problems.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 04-14-2017

722.640 is the exact gearbox code.

I got the cooler/oil housing from an OM605 turbo, should be a nice oem upgrade we'll see when it runs.

Its looking more like a real engine now that the new harness is mostly laid. Still need oil lines for the turbo and shit, a feed & return option for my pump, need to setup the 044 lift pump & FPR. Going to probably just run an OEM radiator & aftermarket electronic fans for now, then once those are in i can measure for an intercooler.

Need to finish the car in a month.... going to be close to the wire with work and how slow progress always is...

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Hario' - 04-15-2017

Dam son

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 06-05-2017

What fan do you plan to use? spal?

I would like to switch to an electric, but I wonder what switch/relay people generally use to turn an electric fan on, eg a thermostat or just wire it to the ignition switch.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - hents99 - 06-05-2017

Temperature switch, relay and done.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 06-08-2017

Exactly as Hendrik said, just going to wire it to a temp switch. I had originally planned to use the 3 row aluminum rad seen here but am considering just doing an OEM unit with two electric fans for now.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Bummer-Bob - 06-10-2017

Wow, that AMG wagon is (was?) so F'n wicked!

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - polarisrmk - 07-23-2018

How is this project going?

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - bkc - 09-30-2018

Any updates? Would love to see how this turned out! Learned a lot following along.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 10-12-2018

Got the car back to my house. Still got a list of stuff to do but its closer to completion.

Turbo plumbing + intercooler
Linkage for TPS & throttle
Get intake manifold rewelded
Build downpipe & exhaust
Finish wiring for Ole gearbox controller
Fill gearbox & install cooler
P/S cooler
Install coilovers and replace rear control arms
Reinstall interior & throw in all the gauges

I'll post up some pics soon

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mh95e300d - 01-09-2019

Nice work.
I got myself a 94 e300d and planning the same route but I do not have such knowledge nor cash right now but soon..

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - serious_lee - 01-26-2019

Mr_Robs I am about to do this swap, but I didn't think about the oil pan interference. Do you have to use the NA pan to clear the sway bar? I was also intending to use an external air/oil cooler with the stock oil filter housing. Is there a reason you went with the 605 turbo water/oil cooler?

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 03-02-2019

(01-26-2019, 12:09 AM)serious_lee Mr_Robs I am about to do this swap, but I didn't think about the oil pan interference. Do you have to use the NA pan to clear the sway bar? I was also intending to use an external air/oil cooler with the stock oil filter housing. Is there a reason you went with the 605 turbo water/oil cooler?

You can just keep all the 603 accessories, oil filter housing and oil cooler lines. Mine is mounted in the left front wheel well with the original hoses I think. Little squarish thing.

The 603 filter housing is a bit tough with the turbo manifold; it interferes a bit with the cap on oil changes. Planning to use the NA manifold with integral laminovas, which will clear the 603 housing better.

Alternative is to cut a 25mm spacer for the filter housing mount, to clear the turbo manifold better. I have a couple of those somewhere and the ebay dude has the pattern.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - Mr_Robs - 09-01-2019

Hey guys, posted an update a bit ago on the FB group.

Engine runs! Still needs a good bleed of the fuel injectors.

Exhaust and intercooler piping will be built next weekend and the plan is to drive the car out of the shop after that!

Fluids filled, no leaks beside a fuel leak from the outlet of the bosch 044.

Need to finish wiring the gearbox controller - have not set up the electronic speedo yet to the Ole controller but might leave that till later.

Gauges and stuff need to be installed but really the goal is to get the car driving under its own power!

Will try and throw some pictures up soon for the guys not on the forum - just need to upload somewhere.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 09-16-2019

(09-01-2019, 03:20 PM)Mr_Robs Hey guys, posted an update a bit ago on the FB group.

Engine runs! Still needs a good bleed of the fuel injectors.

Exhaust and intercooler piping will be built next weekend and the plan is to drive the car out of the shop after that!

Fluids filled, no leaks beside a fuel leak from the outlet of the bosch 044.

Need to finish wiring the gearbox controller - have not set up the electronic speedo yet to the Ole controller but might leave that till later.

Gauges and stuff need to be installed but really the goal is to get the car driving under its own power!

Will try and throw some pictures up soon for the guys not on the forum - just need to upload somewhere.

What did you end up doing for guibos? I have a 722.3 and the trans mount interferes with the larger guibos. So I am not sure what to do. Either a 722.6 or redo the stock transmission mount point somehow; maybe I can use a bolt with a smaller head or something. Could redo the cross brace, but that would likely screw up the driveline angle. Honestly it seems like it is time for a custom one piece driveshaft with regular spicer U-joints.

RE: W124 OM606 STD in California - atypicalguy - 02-18-2020

(09-16-2019, 10:52 PM)atypicalguy
(09-01-2019, 03:20 PM)Mr_Robs Hey guys, posted an update a bit ago on the FB group.

Engine runs! Still needs a good bleed of the fuel injectors.

Exhaust and intercooler piping will be built next weekend and the plan is to drive the car out of the shop after that!

Fluids filled, no leaks beside a fuel leak from the outlet of the bosch 044.

Need to finish wiring the gearbox controller - have not set up the electronic speedo yet to the Ole controller but might leave that till later.

Gauges and stuff need to be installed but really the goal is to get the car driving under its own power!

Will try and throw some pictures up soon for the guys not on the forum - just need to upload somewhere.

What did you end up doing for guibos? I have a 722.3 and the trans mount interferes with the larger guibos. So I am not sure what to do. Either a 722.6 or redo the stock transmission mount point somehow; maybe I can use a bolt with a smaller head or something. Could redo the cross brace, but that would likely screw up the driveline angle. Honestly it seems like it is time for a custom one piece driveshaft with regular spicer U-joints.

For anyone who cares, the w210 6 bolt guibos are thicker than stock and will clear the transmission mount on the 722.3 from the pre-V8 cars. The V8 cars had a wider transmission tunnel and a bigger, longer cast aluminum transmission mount brace, so they will clear the 8 bolt guibos without problems.