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RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Ksteen2 - 12-11-2013 that's cool, a little to small i my opinion, but, u know, I'm more for the big old holseth hx60 in a compound with a hx30-35 RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 12-11-2013 Why would I want too big turbos? I now have Hy35w 9cm and that have full boost right over 3000rpm, and the point with the compound is to get the boost earlier, from about 2000rpm AND have higher Power than I can get today. I want to have drivability and a wide powerband more than I want high numbers on the top of the scale on a paper RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Ksteen2 - 12-12-2013 u didn't understand what I meant I think :p have a little low en turbo, like a 30-35 witch you can get all down to 7cm housing, atleast the 35 :p i dont know about the 30's smallest housing, but on top of that, a slitly bigger meaner turbo, a hx52 or 60 with 16-18 cm housing, that spools quick with boost from the little one, that say's low en torque and power band all the way to the top RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 12-12-2013 16-18cm would not spinn much on this, no use of boost from 6000rpm I will drive Hx30w 6cm and He351w 12cm, any bigger is too big, compared with that the 9cm is "dead" before 3000rpm RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 12-16-2013 I would like some help With what I can do With two things. 1: I need to reweld the oilpan, because it is 3cm under the lowest point of the car, and the first that will hit anything if I og of-track. What can I do with the oilpump? Can I shorten the original pipe Shorter, or can I use oilpump from something else? 2: Sinse I am building compound and put more money in the engine, I am thinking of do some work on the head. First tought is stiffer walvesprings and new camshafts. Is the N/A camshafts better than the turbo ones? What else would you have done? Thanks for any help RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 12-18-2013 Wohoo! RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - EDH_Performance - 12-19-2013 Send your stock cams to kmcams in norway, and let them regrind them snd they will supply you with stiffer springs this is s must alex^^ RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 12-19-2013 I have allready for price of stiffer springs but it was a stiff price to regrind the cams is the N/A intake cam an alternative? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - erling66 - 12-20-2013 (12-16-2013, 02:08 PM)Stamsaas 1: I need to reweld the oilpan, because it is 3cm under the lowest point of the car, and the first that will hit anything if I og of-track. What can I do with the oilpump? Can I shorten the original pipe Shorter, or can I use oilpump from something else? You can cut and weld the oil pickup, no problem. But maybe you should consider a pump with more capacity? you need oil for 2 turbos so maybe a pump from 606? (look at my oil pump thread) You can cut your 605 pan but you will have less oil, maybe a problem? I have a 603 turbo pan you can modify and use. Call me if you need more info. RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Alcaid - 12-29-2013 (12-12-2013, 03:21 AM)Ksteen2 u didn't understand what I meant I think :p No, HX35 can not be had with a 7cm housng, 10cm is the smallest Smallest housing on HX30W is 6cm, as the one Stamsaas got for this build. Calling a HX52 or HX60 a "slighy bigger" turbo is an understatement. They are WAY bigger and they are both awful matches for a full compound setup with a HX30W. This HE351W must not be mistaken by the smaller HE351CW, This one is a HX35/HX40 hybrid with the latest family HX40 comp wheels (this exact wheel is used in up to 350hp OEM applications) RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - john - 12-29-2013 (12-29-2013, 03:24 PM)Alcaid(12-12-2013, 03:21 AM)Ksteen2 u didn't understand what I meant I think :p Soory for thread highjack. Why is hx52 a bad match to hx30? is the hx30 to small or the hx52 to big? I know guys driving single turbo with only a hx52 and 220cc and getting boost between 2500 - 3500 and all the way to the top. It would be awful for street but for racing it does his job fine he gets ALOT of power from his 606 RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Alcaid - 12-29-2013 (12-29-2013, 04:24 PM)john Soory for thread highjack. They are too far apart to be able to work together in a compound setup Also remember this is an OM605, not an OM606 so it is lacking 0.5 liter displacement = more lag and needs more boost to swallow similar amounts of air. Car is also lightweight so a responsive turbo system is needed as his tires will only be spinning and not creating the load needed to get those big heavy turbos to spool properly RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - john - 12-29-2013 (12-29-2013, 04:34 PM)Alcaid(12-29-2013, 04:24 PM)john Soory for thread highjack. Ahh ok. any thumb rules on differences in turbosize in compound setups? i have read this thread with joy many times and never realized it was a 605 ITS IN THE THREADNAME RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 12-29-2013 (12-20-2013, 03:12 PM)erling66hmm, is the 606 pump bigger? And will the 605 pump struggle With deliver oil to two turbos? If I modify the pan, the plan is to make it wider so it still take the same amount of oil, but how much can be cut out? all this is quite New for me(12-16-2013, 02:08 PM)Stamsaas 1: I need to reweld the oilpan, because it is 3cm under the lowest point of the car, and the first that will hit anything if I og of-track. What can I do with the oilpump? Can I shorten the original pipe Shorter, or can I use oilpump from something else? (12-29-2013, 04:34 PM)Alcaid They are too far apart to be able to work together in a compound setupReally looking forward to try this new setup! And I think the lightweight problem is unusual here since the most mercs weights about the double of my car :p (12-29-2013, 05:06 PM)john Ahh ok. any thumb rules on differences in turbosize in compound setups?The plan from start was 606, but it had to be 605 because of the awailable space :p But it still gets the job done! RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - EDH_Performance - 12-29-2013 I've read somwhere that holset them selfs uses hx35/hx 52 and hx40/hx60 combos^^ RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - erling66 - 12-30-2013 I don't know if the 606 oil pump is bigger. measure your 605 pump and I can tell you if it is. Can the 605 pump deliver enough oil volume for one extra turbo? don't know, but do you want to try to find out the hard way? The 603 oil pan has an extra chamber(for more oil) bolted to the side, that is why I suggested to use it, but it will require some serious welding since you have to shorten it. RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Duncansport - 12-30-2013 (12-30-2013, 03:52 AM)erling66 I don't know if the 606 oil pump is bigger. measure your 605 pump and I can tell you if it is. Couldn't he use a 602.962 pan? Same bump out as a 603 RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 12-30-2013 Any pics of this 602/603 pan? how much different is the hight compared to 605/606? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - erling66 - 12-31-2013 Duncansport I have never seen a 602.962 pan, but if it has the same bump for extra volume it would be great Do you have photos? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Duncansport - 12-31-2013 (12-31-2013, 03:59 AM)erling66 Duncansport I have never seen a 602.962 pan, but if it has the same bump for extra volume it would be great Do you have photos? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - erling66 - 12-31-2013 That looks very similar to the 603 turbo pan, so try to get that one. I believe that all the 602/3/5/6 pans have the same depth, so you will have to cut off 2-3cm but should be ok. Oil splashing around and hitting the crank is a different concern so don't fill more than max, or even better is to stay close to minimum(if you don't loose oil pressure during acceleration or curves) RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Duncansport - 12-31-2013 (12-31-2013, 10:34 AM)erling66 That looks very similar to the 603 turbo pan, so try to get that one. I believe that all the 602/3/5/6 pans have the same depth, so you will have to cut off 2-3cm but should be ok. I thought that 605/606's use windage trays? My 602 had one installed OE RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 01-03-2014 All turbos together, before the Hy35w was leaved on the mailoffice Ordered alot of parts, so ready to start building New manifold This will be tight RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-02-2014 Long time no see.. Have been busy with so much lately, so have not had any time for this.. But I have used the time to collect parts So yesterday I loaded up the car and went to the garage The complete new front suspension, adjusteble arms from 200sx S13, and the thing with the wheelbearing (dont remember the English Word for it :p ) from S13 and D2 coilovers from S14. Ony missing brake calipers and discs. Had to testfit to see how this setup changes the track Width. Have to modify the arms slightly to make them fit and about the track Width...... Got a little better when pushed it inn to max camber on the coilover bolts Still there will be a brakedisc in between, and that does not help :p So now I have to put on spacers on the back, as the rear cant be any narrower then the front :p Allso got the flanges to make the New exhaust manifold and som other Things New intercooler and some stuff.. Need to get this projekt started again RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Simpler=Better - 02-03-2014 I love the track width, you need some garden trim to keep the rocks from flying RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - S.Engen - 02-03-2014 you have ordered new exhaust flange. six holes new plans? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - willbhere4u - 02-03-2014 Wide body kit RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - EDH_Performance - 02-04-2014 (02-03-2014, 12:30 PM)S.Engen you have ordered new exhaust flange. six holes new plans? Klracing only have flange for 6 cyl, so just chop one off, or two off for a om604 RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-08-2014 As said over, I use the flange for Om606 and cut of one syl Have done some more again, fitted the front suspension and put the car down on the wheels again to see how it fits Still have to widen the arms for the steering Got camber? and then the turbos came.. Welcome home! Had a little problem with find place for the little turbo, because of the big wastegate exhasthousing A test with the big turbo After more planing, the big turbo will be placed more straight, and a bit more back. The wastegate will be very Close to the suspension strut tower, so here I think I have to make more room with a big hammer or something Here are the wastegate housing on the HX30 startet the anglegrinder and choped of much of this, so the housing got a slimmer body, so I could fit it as I wanted The old front suspension, that is sold ant will be picked up tomorrow, good to have some finance :p RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-11-2014 Startet on the manifold yesterday, looks like it will be some work, but its not impossible flange mounted on to solid steel, ready to start Is there something spesial I need to think of when making the "log manifold" or is it just to get it together? It will be about the same as this, only 5 syl and with external wastegate.. and not that good looking :p And one more thing, if I want to move the the RPM stop on the dieselpump from 6000rpm to 7000rpm, do I have to send the pump back to dieselmeken, or can that be modified by myselv? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Simpler=Better - 02-11-2014 Log manifolds are easy. I think that using all elbows is better than using elbows & tees. The manifold pictured uses both elbows and tees-the inner tees have a radius away from the path of flow-why? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-13-2014 Yeah, I agree on that I also only have elbows, so I will use them Thinks I will continue on this tomorrow, and do a bit in the weekend RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - mantahead - 02-13-2014 hi, would it be better if your front and back logs turned into the turbo flange rather than pointed towards each other? i know you don't have much room RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-16-2014 Yeah, I also had the same idee mantahead, but I couldnt make it with the room that was availeble have now made the manifold almost ready Had to split the bends to cover the wide ports quite a Puzzle :p welded up all the puzzle, and startet on the rest all welded Put on the turboflenge to see where it had to be to have room for the turbo [/URL] now I didnt take so much more pics before it was time to mount it in the enginebay again Im having a bit hard time to place the wastegate, as its a bit bigger than I tought.. have to find out something cleaver there.. Has also startet on the exhaust beween the turbos Worst parts done RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Ksteen2 - 02-16-2014 Awesome work! Love the manifold work Will be fun to see in working condition RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - erling66 - 02-17-2014 You are doing great progress Please install EMP indicators in the log manifold and between the turbos. Will be interesting to see. Did the flange stay flat after the welding? what size is the oval holes on the flange? and what ID size is the bends you are using? Looks like they fit the flange quite well RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-18-2014 (02-16-2014, 05:25 PM)Ksteen2 Awesome work!Thanks! I think it got quite good at the end, when I started I really didnt know how to solve this manifold :p Yeah, really looking forward to start up on this setup, and how it responds (02-17-2014, 04:33 PM)erling66 You are doing great progress Please install EMP indicators in the log manifold and between the turbos. Will be interesting to see.Thanks EMP = exhaust manifold pressure? If yes, I will install that in the log manifold not sure if it is any use to have that between the turbos? The engineflange is about 1mm bendt after Welding, but I have som friends that works with metal that can machine it straigth Havent measured the holes, but they are wide! the bends are 42mm outside the holes are some mm lower than the pipe, but I pressed the ends, so the hight matched Anyone know how long piping there can be from the manifold to wastegate? have some real space issue there! :p And if I want the dieselpump stop adjusted from 6000rpm to 7000rpm, do I have to send the pump back to dieselmeken (or atleast a pumpshop) or can i adjust that myself? RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - EDH_Performance - 02-18-2014 (02-18-2014, 02:01 PM)Stamsaas And if I want the dieselpump stop adjusted from 6000rpm to 7000rpm, do I have to send the pump back to dieselmeken (or atleast a pumpshop) or can i adjust that myself? You can adjust it some yourself, but have you upgraded the valvesprings?? It is no point in ruining your engine because of more rpm`s RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-18-2014 How do I do that? the valvesprings are beeing swaped with km kams springs. RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-21-2014 This is the layout, only way to make room :p Have made the pipe from small to big turbo, it will stay here its about 1cm room from the head to turbo and from turbo to chassie There was not enough room to make the piping to wastegate in bay, so have just fixed the wastegate where there is room, and will to the fabricating of wastegate pipes With the engine outside startet to take Down the front, to take the engine and gearbox out Will take the engine out tomorrow RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-23-2014 yesterday I got the engine ready to be taken out and on the way and out :p got the engine in the stand, and put on the turbos. Now I will make the rest here Have got a 2" v-band kit to the wastegate piping also And since the front suspenion got a bit wider, I put on the spacers at the back, so it will match the front. Have to do somethings wuth the Arches To be continued RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - bigbortha - 02-23-2014 this is coming along very nicely RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - F.R.A.S - 02-24-2014 Nice, thread, good pictures. Keep up the good work. RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Simpler=Better - 02-25-2014 Can you rent a fender roller in your area? That's easiest. Or roll the fender with a baseball bat (look on youtube, it's really really redneck but works) RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - lgreeley83 - 02-25-2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ayqAB1AcRQ rolling RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-25-2014 Thanks guys! I have a fender roller, so I can try to roll the front Arches, but not sure if it will be enough.. I rolled the fronts a bit on a steel tube before the first trackday also The rears are anyways bad, so them I will try to make new ones RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - willbhere4u - 02-26-2014 How about these universal fender flairs http://dtmfiberwerkz.com/access/universal-style-rear-wide-body-fender-flares-p-547.html RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-26-2014 I have a set of universal fenderflares, but I dont quite like the look of them.. But if the time starts to be a problem, then it might be them, just to get something on to start driving RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - willbhere4u - 02-26-2014 theirs always this... RE: Norwegian OM605 build -> 1980 Ke70 Corolla - Stamsaas - 02-28-2014 Finaly got my new calipers, from Nissan skyline GTR about 1cm room to the rim Discs and pads are ordered, EBC Turbogroove 296x32mm and Redstuff C Made up the piping from manifold to wastegate and a little fram wastegate to exhaust |