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om606 into 240d? - Jtn190D - 03-20-2010
Hey all i just got a 79 240d and was wondering what will it take to install a om606 turbo engine?
Thanks in advance!
RE: om606 into 240d? - Kozuka - 03-20-2010
You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.
I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern
Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.
Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mercy - 03-21-2010
(03-20-2010, 10:10 PM)Kozuka You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.so there is a difference between engine munts om603 and om606 (w210)?
I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern
Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.
Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.
RE: om606 into 240d? - Kozuka - 03-21-2010
Yeah the W123/W126 used old style shock mounts and the W210 used pneumatic one-piece mounts (W201/W124 Style). Also have different positioning of the engine/transmission for each chassis. The Proven Method is also said to have tight clearance between the subframe/oilpan. I suspect that the bolt patten on the block for the mount bracket is the same as a W123 M110 as the OM603/OM606 (maybe 602/605 but 601 is like a M102 triangle instead of a rectangular shape) which might provide proper engine/gearbox position in the engine bay.
I also believe that a W123 M110 transmission would also work.
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-07-2010
the m103 and om603 motor mounts from a w126 are the same?
3*10mm plates...meaning 30mm spacers for the motor mount?
RE: om606 into 240d? - willbhere4u - 11-07-2010
Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-07-2010
you have any details on that car?
production vehicle?
RE: om606 into 240d? - muuris - 11-08-2010
That's OM603 and is, of course, not a production vehicle.
RE: om606 into 240d? - George3soccer - 11-08-2010
603 NA
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-08-2010
hmm... wonder what he used for mounts...blurry vid but looked pretty basic and acquired, not fab'd.
RE: om606 into 240d? - willbhere4u - 11-08-2010
Yea he also started with a 6 cylinder gas car so it may be the original 5spd transmission with the LH starter
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-08-2010
so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy
RE: om606 into 240d? - willbhere4u - 11-09-2010
I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-09-2010
(11-07-2010, 10:49 PM)willbhere4u Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y
(11-09-2010, 02:15 PM)willbhere4u I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?
tryin to think one step at a time....could maybe get away with the slushbox that comes with the om606, but i haven't invested any time in determining whether or not there's a bolt on option for a 6 speed manual.
RE: om606 into 240d? - George3soccer - 11-09-2010
There is a bolt on 5 sleed for the 606. Use either a 190 m102 8vlv, m103 12v or the best option a getreg m102 16vlv tranny. All bolt up.
I have currently on my 603 the m102 8vlv 5 speed.
RE: om606 into 240d? - willbhere4u - 11-09-2010
Some one was thinking the 6spd from a 230 kompressor may fit? but I'll be happy with a 5spd some day!
RE: om606 into 240d? - George3soccer - 11-09-2010
Yes the 6 speed from the w203 c230 m111, will fit any om60x. Of course you have to play around with the flywheel, and clutch issue, but it can be fitted.
Also on a side note few other people were being concerned in how tough the 6speed actually is. After all it was matted onto a motor that produced, 190hp, and possibly 230NM. So any om with an upgrade turbo and extra fueling could start mangeling up this tranny.
Your best bet is to stick with the getreg from the 16v,.
Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-09-2010
(11-09-2010, 11:01 PM)George3soccer Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638
good post, and interesting project thanks. as for strength, i'm really just seeing what's within the realm of possibilities.
really most interested with how to properly, and cleanly (no fab) fit a om60x into a w123
RE: om606 into 240d? - muuris - 11-10-2010
I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-10-2010
(11-10-2010, 03:43 PM)muuris I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.
what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
RE: om606 into 240d? - muuris - 11-11-2010
(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..
It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.
As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.
RE: om606 into 240d? - Mylesofsmyles - 11-12-2010
(11-11-2010, 01:43 PM)muuris(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..
It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.
As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.
you got it...was asking what you did that was custom.
so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?
RE: om606 into 240d? - muuris - 11-12-2010
(11-12-2010, 02:03 AM)Mylesofsmyles so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?
Yes. Any stock CDI passenger car clutch setup would fit physically.
RE: om606 into 240d? - Alastair E - 11-13-2010
(11-08-2010, 11:43 PM)Mylesofsmyles so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy
Nah, I dont think the M110 mounts will fit the 606...
The M110 mounts are much the same as the OM.617 mounts and I dont think these fit the 606 either...
You need mounts from a W126 300SE and use spacers....