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I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 03-25-2010
OK here it is I acquired a couple of turbos this year from a hx 35,hx 40,k29, and a monster Cummings turbo. So I machined the flanges for split man. and built a header and full 3" exhaust. I put the HX35 on the motor I still need to put a egt gauge and and a boost gauge on the exhaust. I currently am getting 15lbs of boost at 5000 under load. I can only get 5 lbs in neutral revving it. I have the 12 cm exhaust I saw it works great for 300 hp which is said to be ok on this motor. I want to turn the pump up until I can get a modified pump from myna or with the 7.5 elements.
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RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Rudolf_Diesel - 03-26-2010
Nice job! I wouldn't worry about boost in neutral - you really need a load, i.e. driving to produce good usuable boost and what fun is boosting in neutral
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - muuris - 03-26-2010
Nice work, but put a intercooler there! Your boost won't build due to lack of fueling. It will work very nicely with the modified pump, I' d say 25psi before 3000rpm.
W124 300D or turboD pump? What tranny?
If your engine is original turbo-606, then it's okay for around 450hp with stock internals. HX35 won't be enough for that
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 03-26-2010
original 95 non turbo motor and trans I get 15 lbs by 4000 under load it is a huge increase on the hills here in Portland. I am shooting for 300 hp don't need that much more. I know the trans prob won't hold but will over come that when it starts slipping. The Intercooler will be on in the next couple weeks same with the pump turn up.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Einar - 04-02-2010
Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - muuris - 04-02-2010
(04-02-2010, 09:20 AM)Einar Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
Don't have to think about it, has been proven to last with 300hp with stock rods. Pistons are good for even higher.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Alastair E - 04-02-2010
WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Einar - 04-03-2010
(04-02-2010, 12:58 PM)muurisAre you shure about this, I have a E300D-24 136hp here, and I want approxematly 250 hp in my car, I know that the Rods/pistons are weaker on the non-turbo, and it`s missing oilsprayed pistons and filled ex-valves.(04-02-2010, 09:20 AM)Einar Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
Don't have to think about it, has been proven to last with 300hp with stock rods. Pistons are good for even higher.
Maybe I should try, the 603A in my TDT is a bit oil-consuming.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - ForcedInduction - 04-03-2010
Right, OM606 is much weaker than the 606a or 603a.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - svammlet - 04-20-2010
(04-03-2010, 04:06 AM)Einar(04-02-2010, 12:58 PM)muurisAre you shure about this, I have a E300D-24 136hp here, and I want approxematly 250 hp in my car, I know that the Rods/pistons are weaker on the non-turbo, and it`s missing oilsprayed pistons and filled ex-valves.(04-02-2010, 09:20 AM)Einar Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
Don't have to think about it, has been proven to last with 300hp with stock rods. Pistons are good for even higher.
Maybe I should try, the 603A in my TDT is a bit oil-consuming.
the non-turbo 24 valve also have oil-cooled pistons, and it will happily accept some boost, up to 1.5-1.8 BAR, the boost is whats kills them. intercooler and mynä IP and you got your 250 hp almost failproof engine Tongue
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Spaceraver - 08-12-2010
Hi there.. According to my search on EPC, there are oil cooled pistons, just not so much cooling as there is on the turbo versions. The turbo versions use a different pistion with channels in them to cool even more.
There should be room for an I/C in the lower portion of your bumper. Would any of you recommend a cooler size for a W124 if I need it to be in and out the same side i.e. right hand? The bigger the better?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - muuris - 08-12-2010
Boost won't kill N/A OM606, it's the torque (as connecting rods are the first to give up). The head gasket withstands around 3bar boost no problem. The pistons are different, but no worries there, proven to withstand at least 90hp/cyl.
It's been proven hard to get under 300hp from OM606 with Mynä-pump and a proper turbo..
(04-03-2010, 05:37 AM)ForcedInduction Right, OM606 is much weaker than the 606a or 603a.
Not so sure about the latter. A bit weaker on connecting rods, but much stronger on the head department.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 08-12-2010
I have over 6000 miles on it and it is so much more fun to drive.The car gets about 34 mpg even with some flogging. I have a 603 turbo pump to put on it after I get Tomnik's 7.5 elements. This car goes down the interstate so much better at all speeds. If you have a NA 606 and were worried don't be, mine is better to drive and less stress considering I don't put my foot in it as much anymore.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - jeemu - 08-12-2010
602, 603, 605 N/A, 606 N/A dont have mls head gasket.
But that can be put on 605 and 606 turbo engine. That fits also 602/3 but there has to drill couple holes.
When you get that 7.5mm pump in it and it, then you know how weak those N/A rods are.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - muuris - 08-12-2010
(08-12-2010, 03:25 PM)jeemu 605 N/A, 606 N/A dont have mls head gasket.My bad
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - HoleshotHolset - 10-19-2010
Do you have any video showing how that OM606 spools with the HX35 (with 12cm² wastegated turbine housing)?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 10-20-2010
Here is a video of the exhaust sounds nice.
here is a quick video left in drive can hardly see the boost gauge.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - HoleshotHolset - 10-21-2010
Cool!
That seems to spool pretty well - very good to know.
Must be nice to have a mechanical pump OM606 that doesn't defuel at the shifts. Mine defuels in a big way since my transmission is worn...grrr.
Beers,
Matt
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Riverstick - 12-08-2010
(04-02-2010, 02:02 PM)Alastair E WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
Hi Alistair,
We put a Janspeed turbo/intercooler kit on an OM617 in 1982 fitted to and S class W116 with a four speed manual 'box. We firstly overhauled the engine,new pistons,new bearins etc. This was a total success,the car performed brilliantly and went on to give 150,000 miles of faithful service averaging 30mpg. The original OM617 developed 88bhp. The turbo intercooled version was supposed develop 125bhp but in reality it felt and performed more like 170/180bhp.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - erling66 - 12-11-2010
Hi
Where did you connect the oil line for the turbo? and what about the oil return to the sump?
Is the oil pump the same on 606n/a and 606 turbo?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 12-11-2010
(12-11-2010, 06:50 AM)erling66 Hi
Where did you connect the oil line for the turbo? and what about the oil return to the sump?
Is the oil pump the same on 606n/a and 606 turbo?
For supply line I pulled the oil filter housing and tapped the outlet for 1/8 npt and t off the sending unit. As for the return I drilled and tapped the block just above the oil pan I can send pics if needed. The motor is completely stock so no oil pump change.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Spaceraver - 02-16-2011
(12-11-2010, 01:50 PM)95e300dez(12-11-2010, 06:50 AM)erling66 Hi
Where did you connect the oil line for the turbo? and what about the oil return to the sump?
Is the oil pump the same on 606n/a and 606 turbo?
For supply line I pulled the oil filter housing and tapped the outlet for 1/8 npt and t off the sending unit. As for the return I drilled and tapped the block just above the oil pan I can send pics if needed. The motor is completely stock so no oil pump change.
95e300dez, could you add the piccies to this thread for the oil return.
Also, what manifold are you using, stock manifold welded or custom?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 02-17-2011
I built a full custom exhaust header and 3" exhaust. Here is the only picture of my oil return
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and my header[img]
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RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Jtn190D - 02-17-2011
Wouldn't one from a om606 turbo engine work?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 02-17-2011
You could use a stock manifold from turbo motor but it will have high back pressure for hp level of a STD.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - ForcedInduction - 02-18-2011
(02-17-2011, 10:58 PM)Jtn190D Wouldn't one from a om606 turbo engine work?
Not with its extremely tiny outlet.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Spaceraver - 02-18-2011
95e300dez: Looking good. Built manifold at home?
So the turbo sits on top of your manifold, i'm guessing weld els for the manifold, a support bracket would be good to add anyhow. What's the size of that, ID is also a good reference?
Flange looks cut with a grinder or torch.
And how about the exhaust ports matching the flange on yours as it is a 4 valve, oval ports to round tube is a bit bad for flow unless you purposely add lots of weld material and then grind back..
I have access to CNC machines for having a flange made, and will be doing both a TIG and a MIG to weld, so mine will probably be a bit more refined. Making it car show neat as it is. No offence about your manifold.
How did you drill the return and get the shavings out? Without dropping the pan i see no solution other than flushing the whole sump in diesel or having a magnet on the drill. Even so flushing it would make me sleep sounder.
TA Stefan
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 02-27-2013
I pulled my pump and have sent it to Dieselmeken and will have another part of the puzzle will be looking for a 722.6 for the next part. I will also be pulling the subframe and installing new bushings.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Simpler=Better - 02-28-2013
I like it, there's nothing quite like a homemade turbo manifold to make you smile on the highway
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - TheDon - 03-01-2013
(02-27-2013, 10:21 PM)95e300dez I pulled my pump and have sent it to Dieselmeken and will have another part of the puzzle will be looking for a 722.6 for the next part. I will also be pulling the subframe and installing new bushings.
I can easily get a 722.6 for you. There are many 722.6's at the yard I frequent.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 03-02-2013
How much are they I have to look around here just tried my normal yard and they don't have cars that new? Also wonder what shipping to 83646 would be?
(03-01-2013, 09:05 PM)TheDon(02-27-2013, 10:21 PM)95e300dez I pulled my pump and have sent it to Dieselmeken and will have another part of the puzzle will be looking for a 722.6 for the next part. I will also be pulling the subframe and installing new bushings.
I can easily get a 722.6 for you. There are many 722.6's at the yard I frequent.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - TheDon - 03-02-2013
I paid $113 for mine with a torque converter.. I'd say it weighs around 80 lbs... my zip is 34786 if you want to figure out shipping.
And then you need a bunch of other stuff, depending on the controller you use.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - hannes_s - 03-14-2013
I have same engine on my dailydrive C124. So if I put original turbo manifolds and turbo (+build turbo lubrication) and turn up my injection pump (wich has original 5.5 elements) than I should get ~120-130kW??
Or which turbo to choose if I´m not planning to modify my IP elements (just planning tu turn full load screw)?
Of course I need intercooler too.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - oleg213 - 03-14-2013
how much power can handle without damage n/a om603.912 engine if I install turbo?
turbine is from Nissan Pathfinder 2.5d with VNT
i need some more power
, maybe 170-190 hp? it is real?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Bangaway - 03-15-2013
How much horsepower do you think the stock 95 E300 transmission can handle?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - oleg213 - 03-16-2013
my transmission from 300E 722.3 are stronger than stock 722.4 from 300D
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 03-16-2013
The trans. is not going to handle the power long at all 245,000 miles and it is going to be replaced with a 722.6 just have to get everything to do the swap.
(03-15-2013, 02:54 PM)Bangaway How much horsepower do you think the stock 95 E300 transmission can handle?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 03-20-2013
I got word on yesterday that my pump is at the dieselmeken shop can't wait to get it back home.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - TheDon - 03-21-2013
very cool! Cant wait to see the update when you get it back in
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 03-21-2013
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[/img] Look what just was dropped at the front door. I already have the limo bar installed this H&R bar should be a nice addition.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - Bangaway - 03-21-2013
What size elements did you go with? I want to send my pump to Dieselmeken and get a HX40, but I don't want to change the stock tranny.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 03-21-2013
I am going with the 7.5 and I know I will have 300 no problem.
(03-21-2013, 09:07 PM)Bangaway What size elements did you go with? I want to send my pump to Dieselmeken and get a HX40, but I don't want to change the stock tranny.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - _siim_ - 03-24-2013
(04-02-2010, 02:02 PM)Alastair E WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
om606,dieselmeken pump,550hp 2,4 bar boost,huge intercooler and engise is never opened 500000+km stock internals
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 04-11-2013
I just talked to Goran he said the pump is finished. I submitted my payment so Goran said he will ship the pump tomorrow then I will just be waiting on the postal system. I can't wait to get to drive it with this pump. I also just replaced all the bushings in the rear end and installed my new sway bar.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - winmutt - 04-11-2013
I R JEALOUS.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - HaavardPYA - 04-12-2013
where did you buy your swaybar?
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 04-12-2013
(04-12-2013, 09:06 AM)HaavardPYA where did you buy your swaybar?I bought it of ebay it is for a 210 but fits just had to arrange the fuel line.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 04-22-2013
I just got my pump today have it half way in just need a gasket for the vacuum pump and a new banjo fitting to hook up the fuel. Probably have it finished up tomorrow and test drive it.
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - willbhere4u - 04-22-2013
sweet take some videos please
RE: I did it 95 Turbo 606 - 95e300dez - 05-05-2013
Well I installed my pump and took it for a test drive by myself wow what a difference. I will try and get some video the next couple of days. I have to go get it smog checked they want to pull registration otherwise. I am very happy with the power gains and I haven't even hooked up the alda for the extra little kick.