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603 manual swap - mbenzo300td - 04-27-2010
So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
RE: 603 manual swap - Tymbrymi - 04-27-2010
(04-27-2010, 12:46 AM)mbenzo300td So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
I have a pedal assembly to a W124 here in my office... (sorry not for sale!). It came off of an '86 300E. I believe the only 5-speed W124 cars were the '86 and '88 300E. There might be more, but those are the only ones I know about. As such, conversion kits are expensive. Especially since I imagine the shifter linkages, shifter, etc are different from the commonly available W201 components. At least the 300E has the largest diameter clutch of the bunch!
RE: 603 manual swap - mbenzo300td - 04-27-2010
how about the 300ce models. A few of these were manual i believe.
RE: 603 manual swap - Tymbrymi - 04-27-2010
(04-27-2010, 04:35 PM)mbenzo300td how about the 300ce models. A few of these were manual i believe.
They could very well be, but the 300E's are all I know about. I was just starting to get into the research of all my options when one of them popped up, and I bought it.
So my research kinda slowed down at that point 
RE: 603 manual swap - mbenzo300td - 04-27-2010
Good find! would you happend to know if the driveshat on your manual is a different length.
RE: 603 manual swap - Kozuka - 04-28-2010
(04-27-2010, 09:23 AM)Tymbrymi(04-27-2010, 12:46 AM)mbenzo300td So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
I have a pedal assembly to a W124 here in my office... (sorry not for sale!). It came off of an '86 300E. I believe the only 5-speed W124 cars were the '86 and '88 300E. There might be more, but those are the only ones I know about. As such, conversion kits are expensive. Especially since I imagine the shifter linkages, shifter, etc are different from the commonly available W201 components. At least the 300E has the largest diameter clutch of the bunch!
All W201/W124 engine/transmission equipment is the same at most you will have to shorten the shifter linkage. But most M103/M104 swaps (into W201) with a W124 transmission didn't need to modify anything. W201/W124 only difference is the length of the chassis and the tail lights. So at most you will need to find the specific linkage and shifter but mostly everything else can be raided from a W201.
RE: 603 manual swap - winmutt - 04-28-2010
(04-28-2010, 02:21 AM)Kozuka All W201/W124 engine/transmission equipment is the same at most you will have to shorten the shifter linkage. But most M103/M104 swaps (into W201) with a W124 transmission didn't need to modify anything. W201/W124 only difference is the length of the chassis and the tail lights. So at most you will need to find the specific linkage and shifter but mostly everything else can be raided from a W201.
What about the driveshaft? Are you saying for the 603 engine only?
RE: 603 manual swap - mbenzo300td - 04-28-2010
yeah for the 603?
RE: 603 manual swap - Kozuka - 04-28-2010
Drive shaft lengths are different between W201/W124 because the chassis is longer, the mounting of the drive shaft is the same.
Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.
RE: 603 manual swap - mbenzo300td - 04-30-2010
I found a getreg 260 for cheap. any chance this will bolt up?
RE: 603 manual swap - winmutt - 05-03-2010
Doubtful. Bolt pattern is probably off. Might be good for parts for fixing 5 spd.
RE: 603 manual swap - jeemu - 05-06-2010
(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
RE: 603 manual swap - Kozuka - 05-06-2010
(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
RE: 603 manual swap - jeemu - 05-06-2010
(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
RE: 603 manual swap - Kozuka - 05-06-2010
(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
How is the engine position not the same, I'm using W124 om603 engine mounts? As for the Diff's it's already known that they use different bushings and axles but will bolt onto my 16v driveshaft...
RE: 603 manual swap - jeemu - 05-06-2010
(05-06-2010, 06:43 PM)Kozuka(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
How is the engine position not the same, I'm using W124 om603 engine mounts? As for the Diff's it's already known that they use different bushings and axles but will bolt onto my 16v driveshaft...
In w124 6 syl engine is closer at firewall than 4 or 5syl. Why you ask me do you have 603 mountings? Then 16v had same size driveshaft that you found, but that doent mean at all have same size. Even a 200d has two sise driveshaft mounting size. Then there are 3 or 4 bolt connection.
So its not same what w124 you take the shaft?
And i dont mean just your car. Generally tell at there is lot of choises of those, at people dosent go ass forward on the three.
RE: 603 manual swap - Kozuka - 05-06-2010
(05-06-2010, 07:00 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 06:43 PM)Kozuka(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
How is the engine position not the same, I'm using W124 om603 engine mounts? As for the Diff's it's already known that they use different bushings and axles but will bolt onto my 16v driveshaft...
In w124 6 syl engine is closer at firewall than 4 or 5syl. Why you ask me do you have 603 mountings? Then 16v had same size driveshaft that you found, but that doent mean at all have same size. Even a 200d has two sise driveshaft mounting size. Then there are 3 or 4 bolt connection.
So its not same what w124 you take the shaft?
And i dont mean just your car. Generally tell at there is lot of choises of those, at people dosent go ass forward on the three.
Your right, in the fact that normal W201's are different from 16v's which are like W124's. Normal W201/W124 transmission output-flange is the same between all models, but w201 non-lsd differentials are different from w201 lsd and w124 non-lsd differentials and w124/w201 asd differentials are different also. I'm unsure if they use different input flanges.
What I was stating is that my engine/transmission position is no-different in my 201.034 then a W124 when it comes to an OM606 mounting in it apart from I have less room in the front of the engine. The only difference must be the rear drive-shaft half in a W124 because of the additional wheelbase. The transmission, shifter, and linkage are the same between the W201/W124 when it comes to models that had the 717.411 transmission. The getrag uses it's own obviously because of the dog-leg shift pattern.
I don't mean to be taken over all w201 models, this only pertains to W124 without asd and 201.034 models and not normal w201's.
RE: 603 manual swap - fragatadas - 08-03-2010
I converted one w201 originally 2.6 with the 603t + 2.6manualgearbox +2.65:1diff and still managed to use the car original propshaft, the only minimal differences were on the linkages that had to be cut short 7.5mm in each side and re-threaded, and new holes drilled for the gearbox support plate further to the rear of the car.