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where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - tandm1999 - 07-19-2010
ok guys ive been searching and havent found the definitive answer can any one help me im new on this site but not new the mercedes diesels i have a 1990 560sel w126 that i converted to a diesel froman 82 sd w126 so now i am looking for a 5 speed manual transmission to bolt up i have heard a m110 5sp will bolt up but havent found out for sure so what transmission from what car with what motor will work easiest and where to find it and all the parts associated with the swap if anyone can help it would be appreciatted
tommy
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - Rudolf_Diesel - 07-19-2010
A Mercedes 5-speed that will bolt up to the OM617.xxx is very hard to find. That is why I am adapting a Tremec 5-speed.
Dropnosky made his own from two transmissions, see his thread...
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - willbhere4u - 07-19-2010
Something about hens teeth comes to mind
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - Rudolf_Diesel - 07-20-2010
^^^
What he said...
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - GREASY_BEAST - 07-20-2010
If you find an actual factory one it could cost you as much as $1500 for a shot one that needs a rebuild. Might as well adapt something or go for it and do the tremec thing like Rudolf_Diesel.
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - tandm1999 - 07-20-2010
ok i understand it is hard to find , i understand the 240d 4 speed will fit and im under the impression there are 5 speeds that will fit and i understand they are hard to find , just wanted to know if anyone knows what model 5 speed will fit i have a friend in germany and if i can get the right information i might be able to get a hook into one so if anyone can help me let me
know
tommy
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - willbhere4u - 07-20-2010
The non turbo euro 300d had 5spd available
The fly wheel is also very desirable from the 300d 5spd cars!
It weighs more that the one from the 240d it will also work but not as well
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - tandm1999 - 07-20-2010
(07-20-2010, 05:33 PM)willbhere4u The non turbo euro 300d had 5spd available
The fly wheel is also very desirable from the 300d 5spd cars!
It weighs more that the one from the 240d it will also work but not as well
whats the part number for that trans ?
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - aaa - 07-20-2010
717.401
http://www.mobilverzeichnis.de/mercedes_getriebecodes.htm
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - tandm1999 - 07-21-2010
(07-20-2010, 06:04 PM)aaa 717.401
http://www.mobilverzeichnis.de/mercedes_getriebecodes.htm
does the gasser ilines trans bolt pattern the same ?
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - aaa - 07-21-2010
ilines?
Certain gassers, 280e (m110) etc use the same bellhousing. Too bad they're also too rare.
m102 is a no go btw.
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - tandm1999 - 07-21-2010
(07-21-2010, 08:24 PM)aaa ilines?
Certain gassers, 280e (m110) etc use the same bellhousing. Too bad they're also too rare.
m102 is a no go btw.
i meant inlines ,,,,, doesent the 717.401 have the starter hump on the left hand side ?> what side does the 240d have it starter hump the 300d has the hump on the right
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - willbhere4u - 07-21-2010
A 240d om616 4cyl is the same engine as a 300 om617 5cyl minus one cylinder exact same trans mounting and a lot more!
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - tandm1999 - 07-22-2010
ok so the rare m110 inline six bolts up and is hard to find , i know the 240d 4 sprrd bolts up , but what other engines share the 617 so wheather its rare or not i was just interested in what manual transmissions from what engines or models fits our bolt pattern i have a friend in germany which might be able to get the thing for me but either way i would be interested to have this information
tommy
RE: where to find a 5sp for a 617 in a w126 - JB3 - 07-22-2010
does a 615 diesel in the same chassis 200D share the bolt pattern? Your friend needs to look for 5-speeds out of 300D NA, 200D (maybe?), 240D (maybe?), and 280Es with the M110 engine as known targets.
Those would probably be the most likely cars to find a 5-speed in. Basically, it seems you might be limited to 4 possible engines and thats it. Id also look into whatever euro delivery vehicles these engines were also put in. It feels unlikely that a mercedes van or truck would have a 5-speed over a 4-speed, but its worth looking into as well.