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what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - W116Lorinser - 08-29-2010
purchasing a 280ge and m110 engine is nice and all so i plan to use it in another project. what diesel engine will be a direct fit to the 4 speed manual?
syncro g i know you did something similar how involved was it?
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - kmaser - 08-29-2010
There is much information about this on P3 forum, easiest swap is om617a. I have done this but have a 4spd auto and bolt up was no worries, I'm not sure if the flywheel is the same for a manual.
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - ForcedInduction - 08-29-2010
Yes, the617a is easiest. Almost the same length, no ds cutting or mount fab. Youll need a 616 fw.
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - W116Lorinser - 08-31-2010
the 617a is the turbo diesel correct?
and it needs the 616 240d flywheel "right forced" to work on the 4 speed?
where can i get that flywheel?
and whats p3 forum?
thanks guys
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - kmaser - 08-31-2010
PM sent.
Flywheels can be pretty hard to find for 617's but I believe www.fourbyfourclub.com, www.euro-truckimporters.com, www.gwagenpreserve.com should be able to source you one. There is also Guido in germany who always comes up with the hard to find parts http://www.offroad-world.com/
P3 is www.pointedthree.com
kurtis
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - ForcedInduction - 08-31-2010
Flywheels are very common due the the availability of 4-speed 240D models around the world.
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - Syncro_G - 09-01-2010
Sorry, I've been on a road trip for the last two weeks -
here's a post on my engine swap (I think there are more elsewhere and a search on P3 is a good idea too)
http://www.clubgwagen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1123
I chose to use the donor car's automatic for a couple reasons - many people who have done this swap claimed it was much easier to do than keep the manual transmission, and I was forced to in order to get proper certification in California.
however, now that it's done, I still plan to put a manual transmission in. I have all of the parts now but I don't like the gear ratios of the transmission I have.
You will need engine mount arms - you can either order the originals via eurotruck importers or you can order custom ones from me (through gwagenpreserve.com)
if keeping the original gear box, you will need to find the flywheel and clutch as others have said here
you'll need a pilot bearing that fits the tail of the crank shaft - this might be troublesome. I bought two pilot bearings and had a local tool grinder grind one down 1 mm in diameter.
throttle linkage might need some custom fabrication
and probably the trickiest thing is getting the oil cooler lines to fit well. I labored over this. My engine mount arms help give some much needed room here but you might also be able have braided lines fabricated with the proper ends. then you wouldn't have to worry about routing rigid pipes along the block.
you will loose the A/C. A friend of mine and I are going to work up a new bracket system that puts the A/C over the turbo using a w115 style bracket and a sanden compressor but don't hold your breath - we're both pretty busy.
Beyond that, it can be pretty straight forward.
good luck!
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - ForcedInduction - 09-01-2010
(09-01-2010, 02:41 AM)Syncro_G and probably the trickiest thing is getting the oil cooler lines to fit well. I labored over this. My engine mount arms help give some much needed room here but you might also be able have braided lines fabricated with the proper ends. then you wouldn't have to worry about routing rigid pipes along the block.
Use lines from a 76 300D. They don't go under the arm, just straight over it, and they're a direct swap.
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - Syncro_G - 09-02-2010
(09-01-2010, 05:27 AM)ForcedInduction(09-01-2010, 02:41 AM)Syncro_G and probably the trickiest thing is getting the oil cooler lines to fit well. I labored over this. My engine mount arms help give some much needed room here but you might also be able have braided lines fabricated with the proper ends. then you wouldn't have to worry about routing rigid pipes along the block.
Use lines from a 76 300D. They don't go under the arm, just straight over it, and they're a direct swap.
but on the G wagen, the sedan fittings foul up with the power steering pump and fan shroud.
RE: what diesel engine can be swapped with a 280ge? - winmutt - 09-02-2010
There is a gwagen specifc FW for the om617. More rotational mass and bigger clutch. Made starting up hills much easier
