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s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 09-04-2010

I am going to put a Mercedes 300d turboed motor in an s10 or a ford ranger. I am just curious to see if anyone has tried this yet and if it is possible to use a five speed out of one of these trucks with a little modifying? Any information would be very helpful.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - DeliveryValve - 09-04-2010

(09-04-2010, 12:11 AM)cbryan0222 I am going to put a Mercedes 300d turboed motor in an s10 or a ford ranger. I am just curious to see if anyone has tried this yet and if it is possible to use a five speed out of one of these trucks with a little modifying? Any information would be very helpful.

It can be done. Would probably need a custom intermediate plate or an adapter plate. Rudolf_Diesel is in the process of adapting a Ford belhousing style Tremec transmission to his 300SD.

Here is a thread of a Peachparts.com member custom adapting a Ford 5 speed. It's a shame he got a little flak from some purist members though.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=283411

4x4labs offers an adapter plate for GM transmissions.
http://www.4x4labs.com/products/diesel-conversions/

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RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 09-14-2010

I am planning an OM617 conversion on my 1990 Mercury Blue Max Cougar.My plan is to use a Mercedes manual bolt on bell housing,240D flywheel and pressure plate.Then use a stock 5.0L Thunder Bird/Cougar M5R2 5 speed or a Camaro/Firebird T56 6 speed transmission and the appropriate pressure plate.The transmissions I listed have the shifter in the wrong location for a truck,but you get the idea.Just use the transmission of your choice.You may need a spacer/adapter to mate the transmission to the bell housing.I am hoping that I can get away with re-drilling the bell housing or transmission mounting flange.

As far as the OM61x,the oil pan sum is on the front.In my conversion I will be forced to notch my K member and reshape the back of the oil pan sum.

Do a search for OM617 on these sights and a lot of conversions with pics will come up.
http://www.dieselbombers.com/
http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/index.php

Here's what they look like.Not sure what bell housing,transmission and transfer case that is. Here's his website http://www.seriestrek.com/109.html

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I should add that I am also looking at dropping an OM617 into my 2001 Ranger 2wd.It has A arm front suspension,coil springs,and rack n pinion steering.May have to loose the rack for a traditional steering box.I will use a 5 speed M5R2 transmission out of a 4.2L V6 Ford F150.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 09-15-2010

(09-14-2010, 01:29 PM)ben2go I am planning an OM617 conversion on my 1990 Mercury Blue Max Cougar.My plan is to use a Mercedes manual bolt on bell housing,240D flywheel and pressure plate.Then use a stock 5.0L Thunder Bird/Cougar M5R2 5 speed or a Camaro/Firebird T56 6 speed transmission and the appropriate pressure plate.The transmissions I listed have the shifter in the wrong location for a truck,but you get the idea.Just use the transmission of your choice.You may need a spacer/adapter to mate the transmission to the bell housing.I am hoping that I can get away with re-drilling the bell housing or transmission mounting flange.

I should add that I am also looking at dropping an OM617 into my 2001 Ranger 2wd.It has A arm front suspension,coil springs,and rack n pinion steering.May have to loose the rack for a traditional steering box.I will use a 5 speed M5R2 transmission out of a 4.2L V6 Ford F150.

i have also considered using a ranger. just depends on which truck comes at the right price. i also have a ford with a 4.2 5-speed and thought that it would be geared about right. i just didn't know if it'd work out right or if a 240d fly wheel and pressure plate would be strong enough?

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 09-16-2010

The stock 240D flywheel is pretty beefy and an aftermarket pressure plate will have more clamping force than a factory unit.The clutch disc for the 4.2 should be fine if the diameter is close fit to the 240D fly wheel.IIRC,some of the Rangers did use a version of the M5R2.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 09-16-2010

(09-16-2010, 11:41 AM)ben2go The stock 240D flywheel is pretty beefy and an aftermarket pressure plate will have more clamping force than a factory unit.The clutch disc for the 4.2 should be fine if the diameter is close fit to the 240D fly wheel.IIRC,some of the Rangers did use a version of the M5R2.

awesome. I'll do some looking into it. If you find out anymore info or get your project going let me know.Thanks

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 09-17-2010

(09-16-2010, 09:37 PM)cbryan0222
(09-16-2010, 11:41 AM)ben2go The stock 240D flywheel is pretty beefy and an aftermarket pressure plate will have more clamping force than a factory unit.The clutch disc for the 4.2 should be fine if the diameter is close fit to the 240D fly wheel.IIRC,some of the Rangers did use a version of the M5R2.

awesome. I'll do some looking into it. If you find out anymore info or get your project going let me know.Thanks

No problem.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 09-17-2010

I found a 5speed transmission today on craigslist out of a 90's models 300 six cylinder ford. I believe this is the same 5speed? And a mechanic told me today that the ford tranny was a solid transmission without a seperate bell housing. I cant find much about this.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 09-18-2010

IS there a data plate on the transmission?If there is,post up the info here.Also, http://www.4btswaps.com and http://dieselbombers.com is another good source for info.There's a section for transmissions and OM617 swaps.If I remember correctly,the 5 speed behind a 300 was a M5R2 Mazda transmission.Should be plenty strong for stock to mildly tuned OM6xx conversion.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 09-18-2010

I am going to get the transmission on sunday and i'll post pics on here for it. Is there supposed to be a data plate on the transmission itself?

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 09-19-2010

Some have a data plate,some have a metal tag,and others have numbers cast or stamped into the side.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 09-21-2010

I went and got the transmission on sunday but i took it to a transmission shop first thing on monday to have it checked out and everything in working order. It is a M5R2. The mazda transmission that ford used behind there small block engines From 1988-now i believe and it is a solid bell housing transmission. I believe my transmission came off a 1992 ford 2wd 300 six cylinder truck that had been wrecked.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 09-21-2010

That is the most common use for the M5R2 besides the 4.2 V6.Most V8s got autos with overdrive.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 09-21-2010

I hope it works out good. I only gave 50 dollars for the tranny but plan on putting another 2-3 hundred into it replacing the forks, slave cylinder assymbly, and throw out bearing.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - JB3 - 10-29-2010

so whats happening with these s10/ranger swaps? Im looking into this route as well, curious if you guys have proceeded with it or urn into any snags

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 10-29-2010

(10-29-2010, 09:32 AM)dropnosky so whats happening with these s10/ranger swaps? Im looking into this route as well, curious if you guys have proceeded with it or urn into any snags

It really depends on application.After the research I have done and the questions I have asked,It seems that a one piece trans case is going to be difficult to mate to Mercedes diesel.I still haven't found an OM617 or complete 300 in my area.The one I found cheap the guy was an @$$ hole,so I had to let it go.Here is my post on the one piece tranny case and what I decided to do.

Link to post #41 about my issue.
http://superturbodiesel.com/std/tremec-tko-conversion-skunkwerks-2-0-t-1468.html#pid18102

Rudolf_Diesel had some good advice on this.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - JB3 - 10-29-2010

(10-29-2010, 10:16 PM)ben2go It really depends on application.After the research I have done and the questions I have asked,It seems that a one piece trans case is going to be difficult to mate to Mercedes diesel.I still haven't found an OM617 or complete 300 in my area.The one I found cheap the guy was an @$$ hole,so I had to let it go.Here is my post on the one piece tranny case and what I decided to do.

Link to post #41 about my issue.
http://superturbodiesel.com/std/tremec-tko-conversion-skunkwerks-2-0-t-1468.html#pid18102

Rudolf_Diesel had some good advice on this.

Finding a decent square body S10 is also a pain! I personally prefer the square body trucks. It seems that every one on craigslist has been chopped and bagged and is now a lowrider with 22" rims. I called to look at a basic 5-speed S10 long bed that was still stock, and the woman put me on a list as number 8 in line to be called if it was not sold!

Seems a ford ranger is a much more easily gotten vehicle unmodified and for cheap.

Stinks about the 300s in the area, maybe an engine off of car-part?

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 10-30-2010

Ford Rangers are a pain to lower and keep the front end geometry right.They still chew up tires on the inside.I have a 3/3 drop and I got 25,000 miles out of a 40,000 mile tire.I have two tires now that are showing threads and steel belts.Luckily it's not my daily driver.I plan to raise it back up to stock so I can get what little pay load it has back.The older Rangers have independent I beam suspension.Mine has unequal length control arms with coil springs.Rides like hell lowered.Bounces like a ping pong ball.Suspension bottoms out on the frame.The trucks like mine have a dropped transmission cross member and I drag it all the time.Sad thing is,my truck doesn't even look like it's been lowered.

This is my truck the day after I lowered it.I went from 235-70-15 tires to 215-70-15.
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Here is my truck about two weeks before I lowered it.Can't tell a difference.
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RE: s10 5-speed conversion - JB3 - 10-30-2010

wow you are right, almost no difference over stock!

Im not really into lowering trucks, but I love the torsion bar front suspension on the nissan HB trucks, couple cranks on a bolt, you have a low rider in the front, few back, and its stock again!

Bought a HB truck for work that had been lowered, and put it back to ride height in 15 minutes with basic hand tools and a tape measure.

How does the front suspension on the S10s work?

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 10-30-2010

(10-30-2010, 10:10 AM)dropnosky wow you are right, almost no difference over stock!

Im not really into lowering trucks, but I love the torsion bar front suspension on the nissan HB trucks, couple cranks on a bolt, you have a low rider in the front, few back, and its stock again!

Bought a HB truck for work that had been lowered, and put it back to ride height in 15 minutes with basic hand tools and a tape measure.

How does the front suspension on the S10s work?

All S10s have unequal length a arms up front and traditions leaf springs in the rear.An S10 is alot cheaper to lower and it's easier to maintain correct front geometry and alignment.I've done quite a few S10s.Everything from a sport drop(3-4 inches) to slammed 6+.I prefer the bolt on drop kits over the cut and weld.I have never bagged a truck but I have helped on a few.The S10 has bolt on kits for a slammed bagged ride.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - kracken - 11-09-2010

I have a om617 bolted up to a Toyota w56.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - Biohazard - 11-09-2010

(11-09-2010, 08:55 PM)kracken I have a om617 bolted up to a Toyota w56.

You know, as far as first posts go, this one has to rank right up there. Big Grin

Welcome to the forum! Care to elaborate on what all was needed to make this work? I'd love to see some pics, too!

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - kracken - 11-11-2010

(11-09-2010, 10:02 PM)Biohazard
(11-09-2010, 08:55 PM)kracken I have a om617 bolted up to a Toyota w56.

You know, as far as first posts go, this one has to rank right up there. Welcome to the forum! Care to elaborate on what all was needed to make this work? I'd love to see some pics, too!

I will start a build thread a.s.a.p.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 11-11-2010

(11-11-2010, 02:59 AM)kracken I will start a build thread a.s.a.p.

Thanks.
If you don't mind me asking,what Bellingham are you from?I know there's one in the UK and one in New England in the US.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - mike-81-240d - 11-11-2010

(11-11-2010, 12:14 PM)ben2go
(11-11-2010, 02:59 AM)kracken I will start a build thread a.s.a.p.
Thanks.
If you don't mind me asking,what Bellingham are you from?I know there's one in the UK and one in New England in the US.

I'm guessing Washington state. Big Grin

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 11-12-2010

There's one in WA too?How many are there in the world.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - cbryan0222 - 11-16-2010

I just bought a 1994 s10 off craigslist. (Not Lowered) lol bEcause they are everywhere, parts are cheap and easy to work on. They also have a little more room under the hood than rangers do. I also wanted the newer body style s10. Last week i also picked up my 5-speed transmission from the shop. There is a guy off 4btswaps.com using this ford transmission. I am still waiting on the right engine to use. i have my eye on a couple of them right now and then i'll be able to kick off my project.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - ben2go - 11-16-2010

Good deal.I raised our Ranger back up.Rides better but feels a lot more tippy in curves.

RE: s10 5-speed conversion - eck60 - 05-01-2011

well how is s10 conversion going I am getting down to clearances on the clutch release bearing. I need .400 aprox for the release bearing to work

adapter plate is made and clutch pilot bearing and pressure plate i just need some more clearence for the release bearing to work I hope to have that worked out this week