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OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 10-29-2010
First off, Hi guys. I am new to the forum, I've read a lot but this is my first post. I am hoping that someone here can help me out.
I've got a 98 OM606, I put a Om603 IP on it. I can't get this thing to start reliably and idle. I crank it over it cranks fast, then it will begin to crank very slowly right before it will fire. I can't help but think that this sounds like a timing issue. What do you guys think. If it is timing does anyone have any suggestions on getting the timing right?
Right now I don't have a throttle linkage hooked up, so I may have to adjust the idle screw to get this thing to idle without a throttle linkage.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - Einar - 10-30-2010
I would adjust the fuel-pump as the original electronic pump was intended to be.
Then start the engine, and adjust the pump to 500rpm idle w/O ELR connected, then conected the ELR.
The trottle linkage is not supposed to control the idle.
Have you done this first?
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 10-30-2010
I did adjust the pump as the original pump intended to be. With the injection pump locked in place the engine is at 14.5 degrees ATDC.
The engine is not in car, it is on a test stand. I am building it for a swap. I don't have the 603 electronics, I don't know the correct volt to be applied to the ELR. I know it is something less than 12v.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - Einar - 10-31-2010
adjust the idle to 700 rpm w/O ELR at all
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 10-31-2010
Hey guys,
I just figured it out. It turns out I was off on the timing by a few degrees, 180 to be exact. Opps. At least it is running now. I cant get started on my swap soon.
I'm excited!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkTiQ3aAnl8
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - willbhere4u - 10-31-2010
Is that Boston I here in the back ground Sweet!
What are you putting it in!
I need to fine me one of these motors for my 300sdl tank!
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 10-31-2010
Yeah, I was on the radio, awesome song though.
I was trying to avoid saying what I was putting it in because I didnt' know how it would go over on this forum. I am putting it in a 1990 jeep Comanche.
I got lucky I picked a wrecked 1998 e300 for $1100. I've made $600 back selling parts on eBay.
I am in the market for a water pump pulley for this engine if anyone has one they are willing to part with.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - willbhere4u - 10-31-2010
Now that's a cool swap! post some pics as you progress it's all cool if its got a Benz diesel in it!
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - George3soccer - 11-01-2010
Very interesting, Keep the updates coming in.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 11-01-2010
Once I actually get started on the swap I'll start a thread dedicated to it and post lots of pictures. I just wanted to get the engine going, and now that it is running it is a big relief. Now I have to start acquiring parts.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - winmutt - 11-01-2010
Getting a 98 606 for $1100 makes you a complete asshole, go elsewhere.......
Seriously where can I get a 87 606 for that?
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - E300TSC - 11-01-2010
Hey, I'm looking for a spare electronic pump if you want to sell yours...
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 11-02-2010
I bought it off of some lady who wrecked her car and she had no idea what she had. It had 150K on it. She goes "I know it has a lot of mile but a Mercedes should be good to at least 200K." That is how you get a 98 606 for $1100. Craigslist is your friend.
E300TSC
I sold the pump on e-bay a few months ago, sorry man.
I do have some more parts laying around if anyone needs something. I'll let you know if I have it.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - 300SD81 - 11-02-2010
Do you still have the transmission? I'm looking for a 722.6 to play with.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 11-02-2010
I do still have the transmission. Right now I am leaning towards using the trans with a stand alone trans controller. Powertrain Control Systems makes one that will work for this application, which I assume is what you want to do.
I also have a 722.3 trans. If I decide to go that route rather than the 722.6 I will PM you.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - HoleshotHolset - 11-03-2010
(10-31-2010, 07:43 PM)ajarvis8 I am putting it in a 1990 jeep Comanche.
Cool swap. I venture to guess it'll fit just a little better than the common-rail 3.9L B-series Cummins and Allison 1000-Series I tried to fit in my old '96 Jeep ZJ.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 11-03-2010
"Tried to fit in your ZJ"... What happened why couldn't you make it work?
I am going to run 722.6 trans behind my 606, with that stand alone controller. I think the only problem I am going to have to over come is the that stupid front sump oil pan. I don't know if I am going to more the sump & pick up tube to the rear or just hack up the oil pan where needed to avoid may steering linkage and axle. Lucky this is like the one 2wd jeep, so i don't have to worry about the front diff hitting.
I don't know if relocating the sump/pickup to the rear is feasible.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - HoleshotHolset - 11-03-2010
(11-03-2010, 07:23 AM)ajarvis8 "Tried to fit in your ZJ"... What happened why couldn't you make it work?
As you know, ZJ's are a unibody vehicle with a straight axle front end (in both 2wd and 4wd form). That meant that I couldn't remove the body, mount the engine/transmission where I wanted and massage the body to make it fit. I had a huge hole in the firewall and the Allison still wasn't happy being under there - it hung down way too low. The Cummins was just too damn tall.
I didn't want it to be a complete hack job, so I abandoned it. Sold the ZJ to a high school kid with an old rusty ZJ - he was tickled pink to have my rust free ZJ. He welded up the hole in the firewall, bolted in his running gear and is daily driving it all over the place.
I've seen one Cummins 4BT powered ZJ's (was for sale on eBay at one point) and they had to lift it 7"...I wanted to keep mine as close to OEM ride height as possible since I wanted to make it look very Plain Jane/grocery getter as possible.
4BT in a Durango or Dakota wouldn't be a bad swap since they have IFS and a full frame. No front axle moving up and down to worry about.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - ajarvis8 - 11-03-2010
That is not to reassuring to hear, as I am concerned about the height of the 606. My truck is a uni-body as well with a straight axle. The 606 is 27" tall, I think the 4bt is close to 36" tall. I am willing to go as high as 4" on a lift, and 4" on a cowl hood if need be. I prefer stock height, but I want a diesel in there more than I want it to remain stock height.
As far as I can tell there is no other MJ with an om606 or even a om603. I can't wait to own the first!
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - HoleshotHolset - 11-03-2010
(11-03-2010, 08:41 AM)ajarvis8 That is not to reassuring to hear, as I am concerned about the height of the 606.
Don't get too worked up just yet - I don't think the OM606 is any bigger than a Chrysler/Jeep gasser 4.0L I6. It would almost have to be smaller - 1.0L less displacement and same I6 cylinder configuration. The Jeep has 3.88" bore x 3.41" stroke. I believe the OM606 is 87mm x 84mm (3.43" x 3.31").
I don't have the 4.0L I6 out of my ZJ any longer - but I do still have my 3.9L common-rail ISB and a B5.9 in my truck...the B's are one tall son of a gun.
RE: OM606 with OM603 IP trouble - winmutt - 11-03-2010
(11-02-2010, 08:55 AM)ajarvis8 I bought it off of some lady who wrecked her car and she had no idea what she had. It had 150K on it. She goes "I know it has a lot of mile but a Mercedes should be good to at least 200K." That is how you get a 98 606 for $1100. Craigslist is your friend.
Luck devil!!!!!