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Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-03-2011 Just got my homemade Boost and RPM meter to work. I made it because i Want a very small meter to fit in the sunglasses compartment in the R129. Here is a list of what part i used Audrino Board http://www.arduino.cc http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280542822337&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_2847wt_905 LCD (importent is that it is serial, only takes 2 pin on the board.) http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130447724258&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT 2 X "3 Bar boost/MAP sensor, Boost Pressure Map Sensor Apexi AVC-R HKS EVC-S Greddy " http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120580140996&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123#ht_1701wt_905 Turbo RPM (HE351VE it need to have a sensor 2 wire) The 2 Wire from the Turbo RPM sensor is attatched to Ground and the other to a digital input directly. Then i messure the time it takes before the turbo has rotatet 100 times. by 90,000 RPM it took 66 mS. i the calculate the RPM 6000,000 / 66 = 90,000 Boost The MapSensor is connectet to 2 X analog input 0.5 V is -1 bar, 4,5 V is 3 bar = 45 PSI. And it also saves MAX EGP and Boost. Motor RPM Also working, same as Turbo RPM I now also have a Fuel-flow sensor to give me instant MPG Next project is to have one of the PWM output on the board control my vacuum valve witch is controlling the turbo. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - tomnik - 01-04-2011 "Next project is to have one of the PWM output on the board control my vacuum valve witch is controlling the turbo. " why? I understood that you already control the VTG with you big controller. If you can manage to control the VTG with the Arduino, I am interested in one. Some guys here already worked on a controller based on Arduino... Tom RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - E300TSC - 01-04-2011 Nice job! RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-04-2011 (01-04-2011, 05:59 AM)tomnik "Next project is to have one of the PWM output on the board control my vacuum valve witch is controlling the turbo. "Today i use 2 vacuum valve one to control the difference pressure to around 0,5 bar, i newer want the EGP to go higher then 0,5 bar higher then boost. the other valve to control max boost. Width the Arduino board it is possible to only use one valve and control the boost, regarding TPS, RPM it is much more flexible. The other controllers has been width a stepper motor. I simply use a 0 - 100% PWM signal to drive the vacuum valve. The code is not secret but nut pretty :-) RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-04-2011 I am confused about the boost sensor, you say its measuring EGP, how is it measuring both intake and manifold pressure? RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-04-2011 (01-04-2011, 12:50 PM)winmutt I am confused about the boost sensor, you say its measuring EGP, how is it measuring both intake and manifold pressure?I have 2 X boost sensor, the one messure Boost and one messure EGP (Exhaust Gas Pressure) RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-04-2011 AH!.. How did you mount the EGP sensor without melting it? Seems like measuring EGP is way easier/cheaper than EGT RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - ForcedInduction - 01-04-2011 (01-04-2011, 02:49 PM)winmutt How did you mount the EGP sensor without melting it? Same as everyone does mounting a gauge, at least two feet of tube between the manifold and sensor. Cummins makes a good pressure differential sensor for their DPF. I don't know what pressure range its capable of but if you're controlling boost based on EGP:boost ratio that would be an easy way to measure the differential directly. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-04-2011 So 2ft is far enough to keep the sensor from melting? I mean isn't the air temp inside the tube 1200F or whatever? RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - ForcedInduction - 01-04-2011 Gauges and sensors have no flow, the air in the tube is only compressed by the pressure in the manifold. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - aaa - 01-04-2011 I don't think so, it's not like there's exhaust continuously flowing thru it to the other side. Without flow, heat would have to move very slowly, and presumably be dispersed before it reaches the sensor. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - jeemu - 01-05-2011 Looking nice. Here JTY make s also that kind gauges RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-05-2011 Where are you placing this LCD? I was thinking last night that there are not a lot of places to put it and make it look good. I had planned on building my own A pod gauge cluster but and LCD, well that would be way cleaner... RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-05-2011 (01-04-2011, 05:16 PM)aaa I don't think so, it's not like there's exhaust continuously flowing thru it to the other side. Without flow, heat would have to move very slowly, and presumably be dispersed before it reaches the sensor.Exactly i have first metal pipe, the rubber hose then a tiny fuelfilter at the lowest place width a 1,5 mm hole to drain water, and then some more hose, if water gets in the sensor it is gone. (01-05-2011, 09:53 AM)winmutt Where are you placing this LCD? I was thinking last night that there are not a lot of places to put it and make it look good. I had planned on building my own A pod gauge cluster but and LCD, well that would be way cleaner...In the R129 SL there is a Sunglass box on the top of the dasch board, The nice thing is its a perfect place for extra instruments, and you can close it when you want all to look stock :-) RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-07-2011 Wow that is pretty cool. Wish I had known that when I replaced my dash. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-10-2011 Now the VNT / Boost controller works, i can now control Differential pressure EGP - Boost to what i want, and max boost to what i want. If TPS is less then 40% then i let EGP go to 0,15 bar over boost. IF TPS is more then 40% the EGP is 0,5 bar over boost. The Controller controls a Vacuum valve 100% PWM is 100% Wacuum vanes closed. Here is how to build it. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - ForcedInduction - 01-11-2011 Very nice. Consider making a kit? RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - tomnik - 01-11-2011 no we are getting closer.... Is it possible to determine set boost with a poti giving pedal position? The more you press the pedal the higher the set boost. Then move the vanes to "close" until the set boost is reached. PID control. The curve "set boost over pedal position" could be linear in first step but later can have any shape to achieve smokeless harmonic power development. If you guide me I will buy such a board and start but I have absolutely no idea how to do it. Or following the idea of FI you offer a kit or the code. Tom RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - ForcedInduction - 01-11-2011 (01-11-2011, 01:15 AM)tomnik The more you press the pedal the higher the set boost. That is what I'm looking for. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - 300D50 - 01-11-2011 Makes me wish I had a turbo engine and a vnt, I likely could knock the entire thing out, including an egt gauge in there, in under a week... Le Sigh... Looks good so far, are you planing to condense it down to an atmega on a custom board once it's fully working? RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-11-2011 (01-11-2011, 01:20 AM)ForcedInduction(01-11-2011, 01:15 AM)tomnik The more you press the pedal the higher the set boost. There is only one OEM solution for this and its an ON/OFF switch on WOT on the 87 linkage for the automatic. Wouldnt the rack sensor provide what you want? RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-11-2011 You are using the Garrett turbo with the Hella actuator? PWM @ 140hz? Interesting and easy solution with the mosfet. This makes me want to dig up my board and actuator and get to work even though I dont have a turbo! Like I said using EGP is way easier than working with EGT. Also I have everything I need to do EGT now. Also, the voltage regulator on board is good for 14v but anything past that and you have a blown board. If there was ever a alternator regulator failure you would need a new board. Good that you have a solution for that. (01-10-2011, 05:15 PM)olefejer Now the VNT / Boost controller works, i can now control Differential pressure EGP - Boost to what i want, and max boost to what i want. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - tomnik - 01-11-2011 the VW TDIs do it like this. Just put a poti on the linkage or use the VCV signal to the auto tranny with a vacuum converter (vac- 0-5V). If you don't need this because you don't have a turbo then get one and do it or just do it for the community! Tom (01-11-2011, 10:13 AM)winmutt(01-11-2011, 01:15 AM)tomnik The more you press the pedal the higher the set boost. There is only one OEM solution for this and its an ON/OFF switch on WOT on the 87 linkage for the automatic. Wouldnt the rack sensor provide what you want? [/quote] btw. what is this ON/OFF switch on the tranny linkage for? RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-11-2011 (01-11-2011, 11:22 AM)tomnik the VW TDIs do it like this. btw. what is this ON/OFF switch on the tranny linkage for? [/quote] Im assuming EGR/ARV info. It sits where the 3/2 valves usually are on the cover. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-11-2011 (01-11-2011, 01:20 AM)ForcedInduction(01-11-2011, 01:15 AM)tomnik The more you press the pedal the higher the set boost. Thats not a big problem width the HE351 it build a bit slow :-), But did it anyway, this is a part of the code. where the Turbo is controlled. //TPS in % tps_raw = analogRead(3); //reads tps from 0 - 5 V sensor 0 - 1024 tps_raw = constrain(tps_raw, 100, 614); //limits range of sensor values to between 100, 614 messure 0,5 - 3 Volt, 0, 1024 messure from 0 - 5 V specific to my sensor tps = map(tps_raw, 100, 614, 0, 100); //start 0% at 0,5 V and says 100% at 614 = 3 V //Here we read the EGP sensor and conwert it to Bar 1 bar = 15 PSi, (0.5 volt = - 1 bar 4.5 volt = 3 bar ) egp_raw_avg = analogRead(1); tjekker = analogRead(1); egp_raw = (egp_raw_avg + egp_raw * 10) / 11; //filter, spikes are supressed egp_raw = constrain(egp_raw, 300, 1024); // limits range of sensor values to between 0 - 3,5 bar the 307 is = atmosfaric pressure on this sensor egp = map(egp_raw, 300, 1024, 0, 350); // map the 0 - 1024 input to 0 - 350 milibar if(egp > egp_max) {egp_max = egp;} //Constantly keep track of max pressure //Here we read the BOOST sensor and conwert it to MiliBar 100 milibar = 15 PSi, (0.5 volt = - 1 bar 4.5 volt = 3 bar ) boost_raw_avg = analogRead(2); //reads boost 3 Bar 0 Volt = -1,5 bar 5 volt + 3,5 bar boost_raw = (boost_raw_avg + boost_raw * 10) / 11; //filter boost_raw = constrain(boost_raw, 300, 1024); // limits range of sensor values to between 0 - 3,5 bar the 307 is = atmosfaric pressure on this sensor boost = map(boost_raw, 300, 1024, 0, 350); // map the 0 - 1024 input to 0 - 350 milibar if(boost > boost_max) {boost_max = boost;} //Controlling Delta pressure between EGP and Boost, And Max boost regarding TPS we dont want the EGP to go to higt widthout also Boost rising if( tps > 0) {max_dif_pressure = 10; max_boost = 50;} if( tps > 10) {max_dif_pressure = 15; max_boost = 60;} if( tps > 20) {max_dif_pressure = 20; max_boost = 70;} if( tps > 30) {max_dif_pressure = 25; max_boost = 80;} if( tps > 40) {max_dif_pressure = 30; max_boost = 90;} //if TPS bigger then 40%, max_dif_pressure 40 = 0,20 bar, (Crusing low EGP) if( tps > 50) {max_dif_pressure = 35; max_boost = 100;} if( tps > 60) {max_dif_pressure = 40; max_boost = 110;} if( tps > 70) {max_dif_pressure = 40; max_boost = 130;} if( tps > 80) {max_dif_pressure = 40; max_boost = 160;} if( tps > 90) {max_dif_pressure = 40; max_boost = 200;} //IF differential pressure to high wastegate starts open or VNT opens boost_reg = 255 - (((egp - ( max_dif_pressure + boost ))) * delta_p_sloope) ; //Max boost control. if (boost > max_boost) {boost_reg = 255- (boost - max_boost)*10 ; } //254 -(100-90)*10 = boostreg = 150 if (boost_reg > 255) {boost_reg =255;} if (boost_reg < 1) {boost_reg =0;} //Controlling the vacuum valve on the Turbo analogWrite(11,boost_reg); //This makes the PWM signal out to pin 11. connectet to the mosfet (01-11-2011, 12:47 AM)ForcedInduction Very nice. Consider making a kit? Not really but it is not that defficult. you can download the software for free to program the board, you can have the code from me. for free It will newer be a big buisness anyway. :-) http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software (01-11-2011, 04:55 AM)300D50 Makes me wish I had a turbo engine and a vnt, I likely could knock the entire thing out, including an egt gauge in there, in under a week...See what you mean, that would be nice but iam not into making PCB. I just use whats out there, and the god thing width the arduino board is that anybody width a PC, USB, Cable and the code can change all parameters to the exact need. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - ForcedInduction - 01-11-2011 (01-11-2011, 10:13 AM)winmutt There is only one OEM solution for this and its an ON/OFF switch on WOT on the 87 linkage for the automatic. There are many solutions. A potentiometer is not difficult to install and the TPS on the 96-97 E300 is external with a bowden cable ball. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js4AsFm9plk RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - Spaceraver - 01-13-2011 Holy.. I might steal that part Ole.. Or at least the code... I have two Arduino's laying in my window doing nothing. Could you post the whole code to pastebin or somewhere that keeps the indentation right? RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - tomnik - 01-14-2011 could we do the following: -we discuss what we want -we discuss the necessary parts the ones who know how to program this will create the code (the others follow up) -at the end of the day the group has identical hardware and code and we can discuss the fine tuning on our cars -it would be great to do this as a common project with homework step by step I tried hard to find a plug and play solution but without result. As a newbie I am now at the point where I will buy an Arduino and start. I will get it working but it will be easier and faster if we do it together. Tom RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-14-2011 (01-13-2011, 09:58 PM)Spaceraver Holy.. I might steal that part Ole.. Or at least the code... I have two Arduino's laying in my window doing nothing. Could you post the whole code to pastebin or somewhere that keeps the indentation right?No problem just steal, but share if you have any great idea. I know the code is not nice. but it does work. Code: #include <Wire.h> RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - aaa - 01-14-2011 I'm eying the Arduino Nano RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - tomnik - 01-15-2011 this is nearly double the price over here and on top not available at the moment. What is your reason choosing this one? Tom (01-14-2011, 04:52 PM)aaa I'm eying the Arduino Nano RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - aaa - 01-15-2011 Just because it's smaller and only $5 more. Unless the Duemilanove can be found for $15 or something - oh wait. Now I see what you're talking about. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - 300D50 - 01-15-2011 Smallest option would be to get an atmega with the arduino boottloader burned in, a 7805 regulator, 2 capacitors, a diode for reverse polarity protection, and a cheap usb to ttl level serial adapter to talk with the bootloader. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-15-2011 (01-11-2011, 09:32 PM)ForcedInductionIs that you doing the voice talent?(01-11-2011, 10:13 AM)winmutt There is only one OEM solution for this and its an ON/OFF switch on WOT on the 87 linkage for the automatic. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-15-2011 It appears that the om60x already come with atleast a boost pressure gauge built in. B5/1 in 87 which is also in newer models as part of P2. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - Spaceraver - 01-16-2011 The Arduino Nano is cheap anyhow. Have 2 Arduino's here one Nano and a Duemilanove, One will be used for this project, the other one will hopefully control my shifter P R N D and display the current gear. Unless The TCM2000 can do that directly and rev my speedometer cable with a dc motor. One can only hope. Ole. If you need it, i'll be happy to translate everything for you. Did a bit of proofreading on your code. Still You are a better coder than I am. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-16-2011 (01-15-2011, 08:46 PM)winmutt It appears that the om60x already come with atleast a boost pressure gauge built in. B5/1 in 87 which is also in newer models as part of P2. B5/1 is not in the 87, however it is in my 91.... I am going to see about sourcing a few of these. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - tomnik - 01-17-2011 what is the B5/1 ? Tom RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - aaa - 01-17-2011 A pressure sensor for the EDS introduced in 90. It's a box on the second firewall in front of the battery, next to that rectangular diagnostic socket thingie. The 87 had a "altitude capsule" above the OVP instead, apparently only for atmospheric pressure. Wouldn't an aftermarket one be simpler winmutt? Or at least smaller. Like one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/XAVIAR-Map-Pressure-Boost-Sensor-HKS-V-Pro-F-Con-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem335dc6989eQQitemZ220616628382QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-17-2011 I like OEM solutions RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - aaa - 01-17-2011 On the other hand I don't think there are any mounting holes for it on an 87. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - casioqv - 01-20-2011 olefejer- this is very cool! What sort of flowmeter did you use, and where did you get it? I've been wanting to collect some data on how various variables affect fuel consumption in my old diesels, but cannot find a flowmeter anywhere that is reasonably priced, diesel fuel compatible, and accurate at the flowrates our engines use. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-23-2011 (01-20-2011, 03:58 PM)casioqv olefejer- this is very cool! What sort of flowmeter did you use, and where did you get it? Hi the flowSensor is from Ebay it was cheap around 25$, i have just emailed the seller if he has any more or where he got it from. This was the name on ebay "IMPELLER Flow Sensor [Indicator/Meter/Switch Fuel/Water" RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - casioqv - 01-23-2011 (01-23-2011, 11:19 AM)olefejer Hi the flowSensor is from Ebay it was cheap around 25$, i have just emailed the seller if he has any more or where he got it from. Can you provide a link to the auction? Searching "IMPELLER Flow Sensor" on the global ebay (global.ebay.com), and US eBay for both current and completed auctions yielded no results. The only flow sensors I've found compatible with diesel fuel that measure low flowrates (for engines, not diesel transfer pumps) cost over $1000. I may instead just make a calibration table for my fuel level sender for calculating economy with my laptop and/or Arduino. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - Aero83 - 01-23-2011 Thank you for sharing this stuff. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-24-2011 Can you provide a link to the auction? [/quote] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220729530290#ht_2429wt_1139 You have to mail him to ask if he will put one up on ebay for you. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - casioqv - 01-24-2011 (01-24-2011, 03:46 PM)olefejer You have to mail him to ask if he will put one up on ebay for you. Thank you so much! I don't know why none of my Internet searches yielded anything like this. It has viton seals so should be biodiesel compatible, and it works at flowrates down to 0.04lpm which is about right for readings as high as 60mpg with the return line looped back into the suction line. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - winmutt - 01-25-2011 About the flow sensor are you deducting the fuel that is sent back to the tank as well? Seems like you would need to have both in and out to calculate MPG accurately. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - olefejer - 01-25-2011 (01-25-2011, 09:44 AM)winmutt About the flow sensor are you deducting the fuel that is sent back to the tank as well? Seems like you would need to have both in and out to calculate MPG accurately.I dont know yet, but i think i will start width one sensor, and run the return line in to the forward line, but maybe air get in to the system, thats why i have just ordered a second sensor to measure both the forward and the returnline. time will show the best method. I don't know why none of my Internet searches yielded anything like this. It has viton seals so should be biodiesel compatible, and it works at flowrates down to 0.04lpm which is about right for readings as high as 60mpg with the return line looped back into the suction line. [/quote] Because i have him put one up for sale to me. so that i now have 2 pcs, to messure both forward and returnline. Just send him a mail i think he has a couple left. RE: Homemade. TURBO BOOST / RPM Meter - casioqv - 01-25-2011 (01-25-2011, 09:44 AM)winmutt About the flow sensor are you deducting the fuel that is sent back to the tank as well? Seems like you would need to have both in and out to calculate MPG accurately. You can just T the return line into the supply line, if you add some way to bleed out air for if you run out of fuel. |