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VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 02-01-2009 This will be updated as new information is gathered. Last update: 12/14/2010 Added Schwitzer S2EGL069 09/28/2010 Added BMW GT2556V 09/21/2010 Added GT2360V 9/20/2010- Updated BorgWarner compound HP turbo 8/29/2010 Added Garrett GT2359V ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garrett "Single Sequential Turbocharger"- 2011+ Ford F-Series, 6.7L "Scorpion" Powerstroke Compressor (outer) Exducer: TBD Inducer: TBD Compressor (inner) Exducer: TBD Inducer: TBD Turbine Inducer: TBD Exducer: TBD [Image: Scorpion.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holset HE551V- 2002-2006 Cummins ISX Compressor Inducer: 71.75mm Exducer: 108.1mm 16 blades Turbine Inducer: 86mm Exducer: 75mm 12 blades [Image: SwiftHolsetHE551V.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holset HE351Ve- 2007.5+ Dodge 6.7L Cummins Discussion: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/hols...-t-83.html Information on the actuator: http://delphi.com/manufacturers/cv/power...rt-remote/ Information on Holset VGT operation: http://www.diesel.org/UserFiles/File/Cum...an%201.pdf Compressor Exducer: 86mm Inducer: 60mm 14 blades Turbine Inducer: 70mm Exducer: 60mm 12 blades. Total weight 47lbs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holset HE341Ve- 2006 Ford F650 with the 5.9L Cummins ISB (About equivalent to a Garrett GT3576) Compressor Exducer: 76.5mm Inducer: 53mm 14 blades 48 trim Turbine Inducer: 69mm Exducer: 59.4mm 11 blades Total weight 39lbs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holset HX/HY30- Various Cummins 4BTa and John Deere applications Compressor Exducer: 73mm Inducer: 44mm 6 blades 36 trim Turbine Inducer: ?mm Exducer: ?mm ? blades ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GTA2056V- 2007+ Dodge/Freightliner/Mercedes Sprinter 3.0L CDI. Compressor Wheel Inducer: TBD Wheel Exducer: TBD Turbine Wheel Inducer: TBD Wheel Exducer: TBD [Image: TC-GT761154-V.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GTA2056V- Jeep Liberty 2.8L CRD Discussion: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/gt20...t-146.html Compressor Wheel Inducer: 39.55mm Wheel Exducer: 56mm (49 Trim) Housing Inlet: 56mm/2.2" Housing Outlet: 49.75mm/2" .53 A/R Turbine Wheel Inducer: 47mm Wheel Exducer: 42.7mm .64 A/R [Image: 20041005-dsc_6530.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GT2256V- 2001-2006 Dodge/Freightliner/Mercedes Sprinter 2.7L CDI. NOTE: The compressor housing covers are not interchangeable between the 01-03 and 04-06 series turbos. The 04-06 has a slightly larger (.5mm) compressor inducer. Compressor Inducer: 40.3mm Exducer: 56mm (51.8 Trim) Housing Inlet: 60mm Housing Outlet: 35mm .53 A/R Turbine Inducer: 49.4mm (est.) Exducer: 41.7mm .64 A/R (Late 2004-2006 electronic version pictured) [Image: Turbo%20Mercedes%20Benz%20TC-GT2256VK-sprinter.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GT2359V OM613, OM648, AMG OM612DE30 Compressor Inducer: 44.5mm Exducer: 59.4mm 12 blades 55 trim .51 A/R Turbine Inducer: 50.5mm Exducer: 46.5mm 9 blades [Image: GT2359V.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GT2360V Compressor Inducer: 42.5mm Exducer: 60mm 12 blades 50 trim Turbine Inducer: 50.5mm Exducer: 46mm 9 blades Credit to SurfRodder for the dimensions [Image: GT2360V.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GT2556V BMW 730D P/N 454191-1 Compressor Inducer: 40.3mm Exducer: 56mm Turbine Inducer: 51.5mm Exducer: 47mm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GT2559V Compressor Inducer: TBD Exducer: TBD Turbine Inducer: TBD Exducer: TBD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BorgWarner BV50 Porsche 997 Compressor Exducer: TBD Inducer: TBD Turbine Inducer: TBD Exducer: TBD [Image: BorgWarner%20BV50%20%28Small%29.JPG] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GT3063KLV Discussion: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/gt30...t-227.html Most likely Hino Truck FD, FE, FF and SG Models Compressor Wheel Inducer: 43.7mm Wheel Exducer: 63mm (48 Trim) Turbine Wheel Inducer: 53mm Wheel Exducer: 47.4mm [Image: attachment.php?aid=373] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garrett GT3782V- 2003-2005 Ford 6.0L PSD http://www.grufmanbil.se/mektips/6.0l_20..._guide.pdf Compressor Exducer: 81.55mm 3.21in Inducer: 58.00m 2.28in .58 A/R Turbine Inducer: 72.25mm 2.84in Exducer: 66.45mm 2.62in .9 A/R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BorgWarner compound turbos- 2008+ 6.4L Powerstroke Model: 174080B LP Compressor Exducer: TBD Inducer: 64.6mm LP Turbine Inducer: TBD Exducer: TBD Model: 174662 HP Compressor Exducer: 74.04 Inducer: 50.8 HP Turbine Inducer: 69.34 Exducer: 61.85 [Image: 0708dp_01_z+2007_ford_diesel_emissions_s...system.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wastegated turbos Garrett/AiResearch T3-45 1978-1985 300D/TD/CD/SD (concurrently used with the K26 from 83+) Compressor Exducer: 60mm Inducer: 40.5mm 12 blades Turbine Inducer: 62.5mm Exducer: 43mm 11 blades .43 A/R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garrett/AiResearch T3-50 1986-1987 300D/TD/SDL Model: TB1359 Compressor Exducer: TBD Inducer: TBD Turbine Inducer: TBD Exducer: TBD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garrett/AiResearch T3-55 1991-1995 S350/350SD/300SDL Model: TBO390 Compressor Exducer: TBD Inducer: TBD Turbine Inducer: TBD Exducer: TBD [Image: tb0359.gif] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KKK K26 1983-1985 300D/TD/CD/SD (concurrently used with the T3-45) Compressor Exducer: 65.9mm Inducer: 39.6mm 36 trim 12 blades Turbine Inducer: 64.3mm Exducer: 45.6mm 12 blades Total weight 20lbs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Schwitzer S2EGL069 (S2E, 103-2085) Caterpillar 3116 170,185 HP, Various applications (Bus, Semi, GMC TopKick) Discussion here: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/schw...-2059.html Compressor Exducer: 76.2mm Inducer: 57.5mm 57 trim 12 blades 0.60A/R 4" mouth, 2" outlet, Map-width enhancement slot Turbine Inducer: 69.75mm Exducer: 60.5mm 10 blades 0.70A/R T3 flange w/split ports, 4" v-band outlet [Image: S2E.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Schwitzer S410 (0080962999) 2001-2008 Freightliner Turbobrake MBE OM460LA 435 Compressor Exducer: 96mm Inducer: 66mm 47 trim 14 blades Turbine Inducer: 85mm Exducer: 78mm 10 blades ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holset HX40 Cummins ISC Compressor Exducer: 86mm Inducer: 60mm 14 blades NOTE: Same as the HE351 and HE351VE Turbine Inducer: ??mm Exducer: ??mm ?? blades [Image: HX40ISC.jpg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holset HX55 (4036892) Cummins ISX Signature 450 Compressor Exducer: 98mm Inducer: 69.35mm 50 trim 14 blades Turbine Inducer: 85.8mm Exducer: 79.6mm 12 blades RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - winmutt - 05-05-2009 What about this puppy : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120414724388&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 05-05-2009 Looks like a GT3788V. Probably removed because of carbon stuck vanes. GT2360v from Renault Mascott - DeliveryValve - 06-06-2009 Anybody got any info or opinion on this turbo? Manufacturer - RENAULT, Model - MASCOTT, Year - 2003, Engine - ZD30CTi, HP - 154, CC - 3.0/4, FUEL - D, Model - GT2360V, Part Number - 726372-0005, O.E.M. Part No. - 7.701.475.400 RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - winmutt - 06-06-2009 Those have been popping up on ebay.co.uk from Japan. For 399-499 brit lb and up. Not such a bad price for 23frame. If I get a Garret this is probably what I will get. I have passed up on the 2056 as I feel it is to small for my wants. RE: GT2360v from Renault Mascott - Kiwibacon - 08-11-2009 (06-06-2009, 11:27 AM)DeliveryValve Anybody got any info or opinion on this turbo? It should be a GT2052V, the ZD30 engine is a nissan motor which Renault gets to use as a shareholder perk. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - willbhere4u - 08-11-2009 that Renault turbo looks very similar to my Rajay turbo from 1974 I wonder if it would fit in my turbo kit with some mods RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - SurfRodder - 08-12-2009 (08-11-2009, 03:58 PM)willbhere4u wonder if it would fit in my turbo kit with some mods define 'some mods' pretty much anything will work with my definition of that... RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - willbhere4u - 08-12-2009 I would have to see one in person! But the input flange for the exhaust is 3 bolt holes like my Rajay one looks off set! I bet I could just drill another hole! In my exhaust elbow on the turbo side RE: GT2360v from Renault Mascott - DeliveryValve - 08-12-2009 (08-11-2009, 01:22 AM)Kiwibacon(06-06-2009, 11:27 AM)DeliveryValve Anybody got any info or opinion on this turbo? Here is the eBay ad about this turbo. This is the seller that I pirated the picture from. Currently He want $480 for the new turbo plus $95 overseas shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120400036718&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D120400036718%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 Seller is kinugawa_turbo . RE: GT2360v from Renault Mascott - Kiwibacon - 08-12-2009 DeliveryValve Here is the eBay ad about this turbo. This is the seller that I pirated the picture from. Currently He want $480 for the new turbo plus $95 overseas shipping. Turbomaster do indeed call it a GT2360V, which seems strange considering the other applications of this engine have far smaller turbos. That said, the naming conventions for garrettt VNT turbos seem a little flexible. You'll have to pull one apart and measure to know. Renault Mascott listing about 2/3 down (look for 3.0/4 engine) http://www.turbomaster.info/eng/applications/passenger_cars/renault/ Nissan pathfinder/mistral etc with same ZD30 using the GT2052V. http://www.turbomaster.info/eng/applications/passenger_cars/nissan/ RE: GT2360v from Renault Mascott - SurfRodder - 08-12-2009 (08-12-2009, 05:33 PM)DeliveryValve Here is the eBay ad about this turbo. This is the seller that I pirated the picture from. Currently He want $480 for the new turbo plus $95 overseas shipping. got one on the way.. I'll take some measurements and let you guys know what its all about... now I gotta get my manifolds cleaned up and start putting my STD together... RE: GT2360v from Renault Mascott - DeliveryValve - 08-13-2009 (08-12-2009, 11:57 PM)SurfRodder .... Cool! Do keep us informed when it arrives. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 08-14-2009 Added the Schwitzer S410. I found this turbo in the scrap bin and managed to save the two pressure actuators and the turbine/compressor wheels. It was trashed because the turbine housing has major heat cracks inside and the brake actuator lever broke. The wastegate is very unusual. Its actuated with truck air rather than boost, its uses a rotating cylinder rather than a flat valve and the exhaust is vented out of the turbo past the exhaust brake. The exhaust brake is unusual as well, and a Mercedes part. The vanes are contained in the turbo outlet and partially block the turbine's flow path rather than the turbo outlet as traditional. It can work as both an exhaust brake and a VGT style vane system to quicken spooling. Its almost an external version of Holset's VGT vanes. The turbo has a shaft speed sensor for the computer to prevent overspeed. -------------------------------------- Schwitzer S410 (0080962999) 2001-2008 Freightliner Turbobrake MBE OM460LA 435 Compressor Exducer: 96mm Inducer: 66mm 47 trim 14 blades Turbine Inducer: 85mm Exducer: 78mm 10 blades RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - willbhere4u - 08-14-2009 you should figure out how to save it and put it on you car exhaust break oh yea!!! lol you could add a tach for the turbo as well!!! RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - Kiwibacon - 08-14-2009 (08-14-2009, 04:05 AM)ForcedInduction -------------------------------------- OM460LA being a 12.8L engine? RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 08-14-2009 Yes. RE: GT2360v from Renault Mascott - SurfRodder - 08-28-2009 (08-13-2009, 02:36 AM)DeliveryValve Cool! Do keep us informed when it arrives. It arrived the other day.. looks pretty sweet... Ill try to take some measurements when time allows...perhaps this weekend. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 08-31-2009 NOTE: The compressor housing covers are not interchangeable between the 01-03 and 04-06 series turbos. The 04-06 has a slightly larger (.5mm) compressor inducer. Quote:GT2256V- 2001-2006 Dodge/Freightliner/Mercedes Sprinter 2.7L CDI. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - Ian White - 10-06-2009 Lance, What did you find with the Schwitzer Turbo? What exactly is the "scorpion" turbocharger? RE: GT2360v from Renault Mascott - DeliveryValve - 10-06-2009 (08-28-2009, 01:14 AM)SurfRodder .... Got an update yet? Very curious... . RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - SurfRodder - 10-07-2009 (10-06-2009, 03:10 PM)DeliveryValve Got an update yet? Very curious... yeah man, sorry for slacking, but life (read work & school) gets in the way... I just opened the sealed bag it was in tonight and took some pics and preliminary measurements. I dont have the time to tear it down to measure the specs of the compressor/turbine right now, that's what I was waiting to do, but this'll give you an idea of what Im working with. something worth noting, this will be in the opposite orientation from the stock turbo (fresh air in comes from the aft end and exhaust out will be towards the front end on the car) here's the inlet for the compressor, ID 46mm and the compressor outlet 48mm OD, with a 50mm lip and 40mm ID the linkage for the 'vane'... I havent hooked up Mr. vacuum pump to her yet to see how she responds. turbine inlet 41mm ID turbine out 52.5mm ID RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - lars - 11-15-2009 http://www.dieselevante.it/turbochargers.asp?idmarca A good searchengine for turbos. Either by turbo or donorcar make and model RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - winmutt - 11-16-2009 (11-15-2009, 10:37 AM)lars http://www.dieselevante.it/turbochargers.asp?idmarca It's a bit outdated RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - lars - 11-16-2009 Howcome? Is it a repost or do you mean it is not covering the latest models? Is there a better searchengine out there? RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 11-16-2009 It lags behind by a few years. It doesn't have data for many of the 08/09 years that occurred because of the emissions changes. It also lacks info on American models. That doesn't mean its a bad resource, I use it quite often when researching non-USA vehicles. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - 300SD81 - 11-20-2009 http://www.turbointernational.com/products/ComponentType.asp Lots of info on different turbos RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - lars - 12-17-2009 How much radial and axial play is acceptable on the turboshaft on a general basis? Especially Garrett GTv series. I had a look at a used 2056v yesterday. It had about 1mm radial slack. no rubbing. Axial play was zero. Is that normal? Will the slack go away when it is under normal oilpress? I chose not to buy the turbo for now. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 12-17-2009 Radial 0.5mm Axial 0.1mm RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - cell - 01-20-2010 here's a question I've never seen addressed: what do you call the short section of pipe which joins the turbo to the intake manifold? the stock t3 / om617 setup has one of these. i've seen it referred to as an "intermediate tube". I'm wondering where I'm going to find one for the GT2256V I have. I didn't realize this until it arrived, but the compressor exit tube is conjoined to an aluminum plate underneath it, such that you can't slip something over the end of it (like a silicone hose). for those of you with 2256v's, what did you do at the compressor outlet? RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 01-20-2010 I call it the cone. I don't know why they did it, but the 2256 has an adapter of sorts that clips into the outlet and a normal hose clamps onto it. I got a cast aluminum turbo tube from a saab 900 and welded it into the outlet. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - DeliveryValve - 01-20-2010 (01-20-2010, 05:39 PM)cell here's a question I've never seen addressed: Here is what they come with. It has an O-ring that gets compress to hold it in. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 01-21-2010 There is a band clamp that secures the two together. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - DeliveryValve - 01-21-2010 (01-21-2010, 07:34 AM)ForcedInduction There is a band clamp that secures the two together. Oh yeah, I forgotten about that piece. . RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - cell - 01-21-2010 it just occurred to me that the mechanically and electronically actuated compressor housings are different. I'll try to post a photo later, but for the electronically actuated version, part of the compressor outlet is sort of embedded in a big plate of aluminum, so there's no way you could get something like a v-band clamp around it, and you also can't slide a silicone hose over it either. the internal diameter appears to be 35mm. I may have to find a 35mm aluminum hose coupler and have someone tig weld that on. Ideally I'd have some sort of aluminum cone which would expand to a larger diameter, but I may have to just use several silicone expanders to do that. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 01-21-2010 (01-21-2010, 11:26 AM)cell it just occurred to me that the mechanically and electronically actuated compressor housings are different The compressor wheel trim is also different. The electronic turbo has a slightly larger inducer diameter. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - INC - 02-17-2010 Hallo! Is it possible to get commpressor flow map for this turbo? MB Part Nr. A 605 0960 499 Garret part Nr. 454203-1 GT25C Its from OM605 RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 02-17-2010 GT25C is too generic, we need to know the compressor measurements. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - INC - 02-21-2010 (02-17-2010, 05:50 PM)ForcedInduction GT25C is too generic, we need to know the compressor measurements. Cold side 39 and 52mm Hot side 39 mm RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 02-21-2010 This is about as close as I can find. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 04-06-2010 Exciting news, Cummins' 3.3L and 4.5L Tier 4 emissions engines will be getting VG turbos! That means at least two new models of VGT that will fit our flow range as well as or better than the HE341Ve. http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/applications/agriculture_tier_4_stage_iiib/qsb45_ag_tier4.page? http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/misc/Technology/tier_4_vgt.page? RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - winmutt - 04-06-2010 That still means atleast 2-3 years before they are cheap. Still..... RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 04-08-2010 Still too new. Quote:I'm afraid it appears our records aren't updated for tier 4 yet. A search of the database available to us in Aftermarket provided only tier 3 data. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - winmutt - 05-28-2010 GT3571KLNV Anyone got data on these? Lookin in particular at 729274-11 729274-13 729274-17 729274-21 FI, you metioned the HE341ve was comparable to the gt357? RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 05-29-2010 (05-28-2010, 09:57 AM)winmutt FI, you metioned the HE341ve was comparable to the gt357? Thereabouts. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 06-12-2010 I added information for the Holset HX40. Quote:Holset HX40 We have been having an issue with these turbos; A blade on the turbine fails causing the turbine housing clamp bolts vibrate loose and the turbo falls apart. The exact cause is unknown but it is a major issue, the manufacture date of the wheel I have was 04/08/09! Clockwise: HE341VE, HX40, GT2256V, T3-45 2000 Gillig Phantom #3857 threw a rod cap a few weeks ago. Management made the bright choice of buying a factory drop-in instead of a shortblock. The bus is over 10 years old and they are already starting to exchange those models for 2006 LowFloor models with the bigger Cummins ISL engine. RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - majesty78 - 08-12-2010 Could someone please post the correct part number from the Holset HE341Ve shown in the first post above? I found 104 different variances by entering the keyword HE341Ve..... Thanks on forward, Alex RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 08-12-2010 RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - majesty78 - 08-12-2010 Ok, thx, pretty much one of the first turbos in my list, replaced by 3599517.... Regards, Alex RE: VNT/VGT and WG turbo information thread - ForcedInduction - 08-29-2010 Added GT2359V information. |