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1985 300td euro 5spd swap turbo diesel - willbhere4u - 10-04-2011
Last night while surfing Craigslist I found a 1985 300td 5spd I went and bought it for $900 at 10:00 at night in the dark and limped it to my dads house a few miles away
I think it has a bad ignition switch we had to roll start it and I had to jiggle the ignition switch to get the lights top come on. Then we drove it home it's got + 400k miles. It's a non turbo but it runs great after pull starting it. It had great oil pressure and it ran right on temp all the way home
The good:
and it has a fifth gear! euro lights and bumpers and a manual sun roof and rear seat and working rear suspension
The bad:
It has sever rust on the undercarriage I don't know if it's fixable yet it's made mostly of ducting zip screws and expanding foam. It was hit in the front and needs a new grill and front bumper but that was about all that got damaged!
I'm going to go check it out in the light after I get off work today
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - vstef_is - 10-04-2011
Rock on! Yet another 300D aspirated 5-speed! Which gearbox does it have? Good price!
Let's see some pics!
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-04-2011
The guy I got it from said it was a getrag it drives nice but needs shifter bushings
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - vstef_is - 10-04-2011
I've got the Getrag as well. I can give you the parts code for the lever bushes... they're dirt cheap over here - about 1$
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - JB3 - 10-04-2011
(10-04-2011, 09:14 AM)willbhere4u Last night while surfing Craigslist I found a 1985 300td 5spd I went and bought it for $900 at 10:00 at night in the dark and limped it to my dads house a few miles away
The good:
and it has a fifth gear! euro lights and bumpers and a manual sun roof and rear seat and working rear suspension
you have the most amazing luck!
Figures it would be you who finds the only 5-speed 123 on craigslist in north America that isn't counting reverse as a forward gear.looking forward to pics!
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-04-2011
I was amassed it was actually a 5spd!
The last w123 I looked at that was listed as a 5spd turned out to be an auto
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - vstef_is - 10-04-2011
I take it you mean a 4-speed auto... because I've "HEARD" some talk about a very elusive 5-speed auto... for starters on the right...
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - mike-81-240d - 10-05-2011
Pics or your lying..
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - vstef_is - 10-05-2011
me or willbhere4u ?
I've only ever heard of such a "suitable" 5-speed automatic, and I'm not 100% inclined to believe in Santa....
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-05-2011
I went to look at a 240d the guy said was a five speed it was actually a 4speed auto
on a side not I went over to my dads house late last night to try and switch the ignition switch from a 240d I am striping out. But the switch is different the older one just unplugs and the one on the 300td has to have the key turned on to remove it so I had to order a new one
sorry guys I forgot to take any pics I'll get some buy this weekend
Its a very strangely optioned car it got manual sunroof and windows and no ac But it has the 5spd and leather seats including the rear cargo seat
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - JB3 - 10-05-2011
(10-05-2011, 09:21 AM)willbhere4u Its a very strangely optioned car it got manual sunroof and windows and no ac But it has the 5spd and leather seats including the rear cargo seat
Pretty good option combo, performance, comfortable leather, large seating capacity, combined with maintenance free hard to break manual windows and no air conditioning.
I once picked up a jeep cherokee of craigslist with weird options like that too. 2 wheel drive 4 cylinder, 5 speed, factory tint with enhanced sound package on a bright red truck.
Basically, someone had ordered a high station wagon with great stereo options. Unfortunately for the seller, a 2wd jeep is worth jack all
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-05-2011
I need to find is an American 300td with a turbo diesel with a bad auto trans and no rust real cheap than I can swap the 5spd and all of the euro goodies in to it
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - JB3 - 10-05-2011
grab one of those perfect bodies in a CA junkyard. How hard is it to buy a whole car out of a pick and pull in CA? do they allow that?
I have considered many times driving out there to get something rust free over the years and towing it back.
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-05-2011
I don't know about the yards in California but the ones here in Colorado wont sell a whole car I've tried but sooner or later a cheap rust free wagon will pop up on Craigslist the cheapest one right now is $2400 or hell maybe I'll try my had at repairing the rust it runs awesome for having 420k on it
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - DeliveryValve - 10-06-2011
(10-05-2011, 10:46 AM)dropnosky grab one of those perfect bodies in a CA junkyard. How hard is it to buy a whole car out of a pick and pull in CA? do they allow that?
I have considered many times driving out there to get something rust free over the years and towing it back.
You can buy one from a pick and pull. My buddy found a 1978 Pontiac Y-88 Solar Gold "Special Edition" Trans Am other wise known as "the Gold Bandit" with all matching numbers at an Ecology yard. They just recently placed it on the stilts before he got there. He couldn't believe someone junked it! He calls me up and ask me: "What do I do? I can't have another "Bandit" hanging in my driveway!" (He owns a 1978 "Bandit" black and a 1970 Firebird) I told him it was his duty to save it. So he talked to the manager and they sold it to him for 800 bucks with a salvaged title. Brought it home that same day. We started it, but the Olds 400 had a knock to it. So he's rebuiding it and going through the whole car.
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(10-04-2011, 09:14 AM)willbhere4u Last night while surfing Craigslist I found a 1985 300td 5spd I went and bought it for $900 ...
Damn! May I ask what is the vin? I like to see the specs on this car.
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RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-07-2011
Yea I'll get the vin # on Saturday while I'm working on it I'm curious my self to see how it decodes
the vin plate on the windshield pillar looks like it was added
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-09-2011
Here are some pics and the vin number
On Saturday I replaced the ignition switch. And it was still dead then I found all of the positive wires where ripped off the starter. So I fixed them and all of my electrical stuff worked except the starter it was still bad. I pull started the car and drove it the rest of the way home then I dug through the crap in my garage and found a spare starter and replaced it. Now it start and runs great. and has almost 3 bar oil pressure when warm!
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - JB3 - 10-10-2011
you even have that euro hitch the wagon owners are frothing over!
That car doesn't look near as bad as I thought, but rust repair is probably not going to be fun.
Somebody drove the hell out of that car, i don't think ive seen seats that worn in out of an MB before. That looks like my van seat. Of course, the leather sure doesn't hold up like the MB tex amazingly. I pulled a complete set of leather seats out of my old 300D that were less damaged than that, but still cracked and worn. I wonder if MB had any idea that MB tex would effectively last forever?
This is an awesome find, combined with a rust free body and a turbo motor, this is going to be a fun project
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-10-2011
The odometer reads 395k and dosent work! But the previous owner said is been broken as long as he's had it and he put at least 30k on it. I found a Mercedes 500km badge in the back of the car!
Anyone know how to decode a euro vin? there use to be a Russian web sight that worked great but its gone now
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - DeliveryValve - 10-10-2011
1985 300td 5spd
fin
vin WDB1231901F054986
whc WDB
chassbm 123190
chass_ident 1F054986
type 123
subbm1 190
subbm2
auxiliary_drive
body 01420
body_code
delivery_date
engine 617912 10 213415
front_axle1
front_axle2
heater
interior 251
lights HELLA
model_idx 0
odometer
order_num1 0521203075
paint1 172
paint2
paint3
paint4
paint5
platform
production_num1
production_order_ref
rear_axle1
rear_axle2
release_date
retarder
rims
service_num
steering
trailer
transfer_case
transmission 717400 00 053440
vin_dc
vinwhc
winch
wiper
Code
212 ELECTRONIC TRACTION SYSTEM (ETS)
233 Unknown
236 SPECIAL LAMP SWITCHING - DAYTIME RUNNING LAMPS
260 TYPE DESTINATION ON TRUNK LID - ELIMINATION
411 mechanical sliding roof
438 Unknown
451 rpm gauge
466 central locking system
532 Unknown
570 FOLDING ARMREST, FRONT
593 ALL-ROUND WD-GREEN GLASS,HEATED REAR WINDOW-ESG,BF
646 LIGHT ALLOY 5-HOLE SPOKED WHEEL 8X18
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
172 Unknown
251 RADIO MB - EXQUISIT - USA
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-10-2011
(10-10-2011, 10:07 AM)DeliveryValve 212 ELECTRONIC TRACTION SYSTEM (ETS)
236 SPECIAL LAMP SWITCHING - DAYTIME RUNNING LAMPS
646 LIGHT ALLOY 5-HOLE SPOKED WHEEL 8X18
DAM EST & DRL's in 1985?
5 hole spoked alloys 8X18 on a w123?
When I decoded the vin on Benzworld it said it was 1976 gaser
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - DeliveryValve - 10-10-2011
(10-10-2011, 11:58 AM)willbhere4u(10-10-2011, 10:07 AM)DeliveryValve 212 ELECTRONIC TRACTION SYSTEM (ETS)
236 SPECIAL LAMP SWITCHING - DAYTIME RUNNING LAMPS
646 LIGHT ALLOY 5-HOLE SPOKED WHEEL 8X18
DAM EST & DRL's in 1985?
5 hole spoked alloys 8X18 on a w123?
When I decoded the vin on Benzworld it said it was 1976 gaser
This place has...
236 - special light wiring, daylight
646 - 7-hole light alloy rims
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RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-10-2011
Cool It dose have a switch on the dash for adjusting the headlight height
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-17-2011
I was looking under the hood and realized two blades where missing off the fan blade!
I got a new one from the pick and pull yard and now it runs a lot smother
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-19-2011
Disaster strikes! The shifter handle ripped right out of the assembly?
Dose any one know if the 5spd shifter is rebuildable It looks like there are some plastic bushings in it!
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-02-2011
Ok dose any know what actually holds the shifter in to the base on the w123 5spd shifter?
on the diagram it looks like part # 48 but I have nothing like that on my shifter and that part is not available any more according to rusty at buymbparts.biz
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - iheartboost - 11-02-2011
whoa. sagging suspension much? lol but nice! i found a 123 on craigslist pretty good condition for 500 but i cant pick it up
no monies/ place to keep it.
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-02-2011
Here is a diagram
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-05-2011
Today I got an 1984 300TD turbo diesel wagon it's rust free. I got it for $700 the guy told me that the transmission was locking up and would cause the engine to stall. I bought it and replace the fuel filters and drove it home and it didn't stall but it started sputtering so I pulled in to the gas station and filled it up. The gauge read 1/2 tank! It took 17 gallons and it stopped stumbling after I filled up
The interior is ruff but saveable and the body is in great shape and Evan has ok paint so this will be the new home of the 5spd transmission and euro bumpers and lights and trailer hitch
I'll post some pics tomorrow
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - JB3 - 11-06-2011
(11-02-2011, 09:35 PM)willbhere4u Here is a diagram
That doesn't look that far off from a W201 5-speed shifter. Any chance you could take it out and take a pic of it? I have some W201 shifter pics we could compare. maybe something from a 190E or D would work. I know you can get rebuild kits for those as well, maybe the rebuild kit would mostly work on your shifter?
I have a couple broken W201 shifters, you might be able to scavenge parts
(11-05-2011, 08:36 PM)willbhere4u Today I got an 1984 300TD turbo diesel wagon it's rust free. I got it for $700 the guy told me that the transmission was locking up and would cause the engine to stall. I bought it and replace the fuel filters and drove it home and it didn't stall but it started sputtering so I pulled in to the gas station and filled it up. The gauge read 1/2 tank! It took 17 gallons and it stopped stumbling after I filled up
The interior is ruff but saveable and the body is in great shape and Evan has ok paint so this will be the new home of the 5spd transmission and euro bumpers and lights and trailer hitch
I'll post some pics tomorrow
wow. Why am I not surprised?
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - larsalan - 11-06-2011
(11-06-2011, 07:48 AM)dropnosky wow. Why am I not surprised?
No kidding, leave some cars for the rest of us
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - sassparilla_kid - 11-06-2011
Why aren't there any awesome deals like this in central California!!
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-06-2011
Here are some pics of the 5spd shifter and the new turbo wagon
sorry for the crappie pictures damn daylight savings time Its already dark out
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - JB3 - 11-07-2011
shit thats pretty different. You ripped that rubber bushing and lost that spring clip? I had the same problem with a 4 speed a while back, looks like almost the same mechansim, maybe the rubber bushing from a 4-speed application could work if its even available? It actually looks just like a 4-speed shifter, at least in that reverse part, maybe one of those would work for parts
However, could you drill a hole down the center of a rubber stopper from a hardware store and make a similar type bushing?
From what I remember, its totally related the reverse lockout, right? maybe you can come up with something, or find something almost the same. I have a feeling that it would be possible to manufacture something that would work almost the same way
That wagon looks great, and thats a beautiful color! I don't understand how you find these cars on craigslist with no rust in CO. Its amazing
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-07-2011
Most true Colorado cars are not rusty we don't salt the roads like other states
We put down gravel witch chips paint and breaks windshields! your lucks if a windshield last more than a year out here
Both of my 4spd shifters had a nut that held the shifter in place I cant for the life me figure what actually held the shifter in the 5spd assembly
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-19-2011
I finally got all of the parts for the 5spd shifter from Rusty at buymbparts.biz
Turns out I was missing the clip that holds it all together.
I got such a great deal on all of it I even splurged and got a new 5spd shift knob from him for $30
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-19-2011
I got the shifter rebuilt and back in the car but i got the linkage for 1-2 switched with the 3-4 one so my shift pattern is
3-1-5
4-2-R
I'll have to fix that tomorrow in the day light!
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-20-2011
With the shift rods in the right order it shifts like a new car
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - DeliveryValve - 11-20-2011
(11-19-2011, 11:09 AM)willbhere4u ... got a new 5spd shift knob from him for $30
Cool! What's the part number on the 5 speed shift knob. I need a new one too!
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RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-21-2011
I'll take a look tonight and post it up here
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-25-2011
The shifters is part# 123 267 05 10 and it was $31
While my family was cooking turkey yesterday
I switched the ignition switch and door handles form the euro wagon to the new rust free American wagon and I fixed the sun roof assembly to get the new wagon road worthy its complete and rust free now!
Do the W123 wagons still use shocks absorbers in the rear with the hydraulics? our new wagon feels bouncy in the rear but it defiantly lifts up after starting it with the hydraulics
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - aaa - 11-25-2011
Accumulators. Swap with the rusty wagon's ones lol.
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 11-25-2011
I'll probably order them new I don't think the euro car wasn't much better and form what I've been reading they are not to much money $177 on eBay for both is not to bad
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 04-05-2015
I'm finally getting started on this swap after only 4 years of home improvement projects witch are still on going. with our first house. So here's the up date both cars are up on jack stands i am giving the remains of the euro car and its non turbo engine and old auto transmission to my friend for help with the swap. I will be stealing all of the the euro goodness for my new car bumpers lights trailer hitch and all. The American turbo wagon was up first we removed the auto transmission and drive shaft and shifter last weak end this weekend we removed the 5 speed Getrag and other parts and started moving them over to the new turbo wagon. Here are some pictures you can see the extent of the rust in the euro car and that's not even the bad rust I would say about 1/4 of the floor boards are rotted away and reassembled with spray foam and old license plates! I still need to stab the manual transmission in to the new car. My friend has already started putting the rusty doner car back together with the old auto transmission he is building some kind of Apocalypse car out of it for some reason? I just found my spare clutch kit for my old 240d turbo and it looks like the same clutch so I'm going to use it in the 300td.
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - MFSuper90 - 04-08-2015
Too cool
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - wolverine - 04-12-2015
"jackstands" Love it!!
Way to get back on your project after so long. Dont you hate when normal life gets in the way of your car stuff? I know I do!! I think my last will is gonna be nothing but hundreds of projects I was never able to finish in my lifetime
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 08-23-2015
I finally got some traction this weekend my friend got the rust bucket running months ago but I've been fighting the pilot bearing for months finally got one in after ruining the first 3. Today I stabbed the manual transmission in and the shifter assembly is installed. I've got the wiring sorted out it was as simple as unplugging the auto wiring harness from the transmission and plugging in the manual one from the shifter assembly for reverse lights super simple one jumper block for the neutral safety switch. I need to install the drive shaft and the pedal set and clutch slave and then we should be close to running! Then the car needs other things fixed like the rear nitrogen canisters and the the intake/exhaust manifold are leaking. I have some non EGR manifolds to install also
here is a video of the auto swaped non turbo rust heap
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - DiseaselWeasel - 08-24-2015
Raw POWER!
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 09-29-2015
So i got some stuff accomplished this weekend. The original clutch line got mangled and i had to order a new one for a 240d it worked perfectly it was 80$ but came unbent so i had to make it fit. I also got the drive shaft installed. Except im missing 3 bolts. So i need to hit a pick n pull this weekend. I also got the pedal set swaped over and all of the clutch lines installed. I will need to rebleed the clutch and front brakes. Then i will fire her up for the 1st time in 2 years hopefully next Saturday or Sunday. Ill try and take some videos.
RE: 1985 300td 5spd - willbhere4u - 10-01-2015
Well i got the bolts and finished installing the drive shaft also installed the battery tray and threw a battery in her. Ive got her cranking but no start yet there appears to be some air in the injection system i need to bleed out but my primer pump is no good. So i orderd a new one she almost started but the battery died first it was also a little week so im charging it now. And hopefully she will start tomorrow then i can change some fluides and take it for a test drive