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what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 11-22-2011
The 3th 5 speed is broken. Drived a stock box of 300d w124 dual mass flyweel sinter paddel modifight plate. What gearbox solutions are possible. Thx
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 11-23-2011
it was a 717 433 bevore and i bougth the same again. now iths broken again. every time the 3. gear is damaged... 1. and 2. gear always spinning tires sometimes 3. too. because long diff if i get grip ad 3rd it break..
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - George3soccer - 11-27-2011
How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 11-28-2011
(11-27-2011, 11:49 PM)George3soccer How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.
Before i come to a dyno the tranny is dead. But i think it shoud give 700nm
I have See a 6 speed but the so many differrent end numbers and i dont know what i shoud get. also differend messurments and Shiftboxes linkages, gearbox mounts, no Manual speedometer Output..
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - erling66 - 11-29-2011
Hi I am going to use a CDI 220 6 speed box 716.640 It is rated at 370ft/lbs. Muuris use it in his car(606 with lots of power) with no problem so far. it will bolt on to your engine. I will post my progress(in my projects tread) but maybe you work faster
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - George3soccer - 11-30-2011
Maybe that is the 6 speed diesel box I was talking about. How hard is it to get one over in Europe now a days.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 11-30-2011
my friend that have a shop for used mercedes parts there are many gearboxes... also 6 speed but manny different numbers.. different lengths. and linkages too. 1 box have 2 rod to shift the 2nd have only one.. the box "holder""mounts" look different to the stock 717433. so i fool i by some cheap 717433. again because i wand drive on a dyno quickly...
but i also think it woud brake again. until then I want to find a solution for the 6speed..
ok we know a 716.640 is strong. but i dont foud one with the same number. i think i saw a 716.656 with one linkage to shift and a 716.604 what nedd 2 linkages.
i know all woud fit to the engine with 2 mass flyweel.
i dont know
will they hold the same power as a 640
1 gearbox is longer 1 shorter what kardan shaft i need
fit the mounting holder
fit the gear lever pat of the 203 to the 124.
thx
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - erling66 - 12-02-2011
According to a Russian parts catalogue , the 604 is 250nm, 631 is 270nm, 640 is 370nm and 656 is 370nm. I guess the higher the number, the better
I don't think there are any propeller shaft that will fit. You will have to take the front of the 6 speed shaft(they use a larger coupling) and weld it to your w124 shaft.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - willbhere4u - 12-02-2011
I've got a 6spd from a 2002 C230 kompressor 716.668 for my mostly stock 300sdl
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 12-03-2011
(12-02-2011, 12:30 PM)willbhere4u I've got a 6spd from a 2002 C230 kompressor 716.668 for my mostly stock 300sdl
Do you Drive actualy with 6 speed? If yes where was the biggest Problem to fit? Thx
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - McAdam - 12-12-2011
I plan on putting a Nissan 300ZX twin turbo gear box behind mine when I actually get an OM606. Of course, I will be swapping it into a Datsun 280ZX, so none of this will apply to you. The trans code is FS5R30A and stock, they will hold around 600rwhp and 600rwtq in a 3500lbs car.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 12-12-2011
nice a friend has a 300zx twin turbo! will it fit without a plate?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - McAdam - 12-12-2011
No, you would need to get a plate made, but the transmissions are dirt cheap. like under $300 if you find the right place to buy them from.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 12-13-2011
ok thx.. easyer would be the 6 speed of mercedes.. but not cheap
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - McAdam - 12-13-2011
exactly. You may be better off getting a plate and custom driveshaft made rather than buying a mercedes 6spd! I will hopefully be mating an OM606 to a nissan FS5R30A transmission within the next 6 months. when I do, I will report on my progress and let everyone know how much of a pain in the ass it was, ha ha!
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 01-08-2012
(11-28-2011, 04:41 PM)hansebanger77(11-27-2011, 11:49 PM)George3soccer How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.
Before i come to a dyno the tranny is dead. But i think it shoud give 700nm
I have See a 6 speed but the so many differrent end numbers and i dont know what i shoud get. also differend messurments and Shiftboxes linkages, gearbox mounts, no Manual speedometer Output..
Give now 750nm and the next 433 box is trash.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - majesty78 - 01-08-2012
Hy JW!
Thank you for the (short) testdrive, your car is really amazing and fast!
I am very sorry that the transmission broke just when we were driving :-(
I hope you find some solution to make a stronger transmission or find a stronger transmission....
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - INC - 01-09-2012
I use box from 316cdi Sprinter in my G wagen. Works ok with 33 tyres.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 01-11-2012
i can get a 716 604 and a 716 654
what is the better choice? ore nothing of both?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - majesty78 - 01-12-2012
Would it be possible to adapt a Audi S2 Gearbox to OM606?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - jeemu - 01-12-2012
Nic muuris have a bout same torg and he s car not broke 716.64 box
So if i be you i try that 716.65.
There is so many drivers and style to drive and thats why there is no absolute thruth what can handle what..
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 01-13-2012
i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!
my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.
i see the 716.654 what i can get is a sequentronic with many hydraulic things.. dont want buy this..
the other is 604 its only 250nm not a good option.
so i must search a 65x without sequentronic is rated for 370nm
or some 66x witch 400nm..
the only 66 i coud find is from 3.5L slk compressor.
Although a 190 is lighter by weight, but a weak chassie.
so my project is finally done! and wants drive it and not a lot of money and work for like a new projekt
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - jeemu - 01-13-2012
What you mean sequentronic?
That 716.654 is normal manual 6 speed.
And gear shifter can made BMW parts wery easy. Just hose at hydraulic throw bearing and it bueno.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 01-14-2012
Sorry false number. I pick up this 654. Will see next days what happens. Any tips for the speedometer ? Its electric Signal.
Thx
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - raysorenson - 09-30-2012
While not implying that your engine isn't too strong for these gearboxes, the clutch should be a consideration. A clutch that grips with absolute brute force will kill transmissions.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - Spaceraver - 10-15-2012
(01-13-2012, 05:44 AM)hansebanger77 i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!
my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.
If your car weighs in over 2000kg with 4 people in it, might I suggest having lighter friends?
I have never seen my car over the 1900kg mark, and that was with 7 people in it. It was a 250D, with full tank and amplifiers, she weighed in just over 1450 kilo.
Other than that ease off the throttle in 3rd.. It might last a bit longer...
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - hansebanger77 - 10-18-2012
(10-15-2012, 07:32 AM)Spaceraver(01-13-2012, 05:44 AM)hansebanger77 i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!
my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.
If your car weighs in over 2000kg with 4 people in it, might I suggest having lighter friends?
I have never seen my car over the 1900kg mark, and that was with 7 people in it. It was a 250D, with full tank and amplifiers, she weighed in just over 1450 kilo.
Other than that ease off the throttle in 3rd.. It might last a bit longer...
haha
the fat chicks at the backseet was the problem 
no..
long ago but the tranny work fine.. 716.654 i use.. no problems with it.. ..the slk350 have good tranny but i remember its V6 and dont fit plug and play to R6.
thx!
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - EDH_Performance - 10-24-2012
I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into it
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RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - Savitas - 11-14-2012
(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into it
I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine
All comments are welcome
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - EDH_Performance - 11-15-2012
(11-14-2012, 03:13 PM)Savitas(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into it
I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine
All comments are welcome
Have you seen i my thread how i did it? I used approximately 1 hour to do the cutting, welding
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - Savitas - 11-15-2012
(11-15-2012, 12:14 PM)EDH_Performance(11-14-2012, 03:13 PM)Savitas(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into it
I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine
All comments are welcome
Have you seen i my thread how i did it? I used approximately 1 hour to do the cutting, welding
Yes, I have seen. I have already made one gearbox, before you done yours. I agree your way is faster than my, but on other hand not such precise. Accurate and parallel primary shaft position is very important for long gearbox working period. So I'll try to do it as time before but with some extra process modification. I hope to have working box after a few weeks.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - EDH_Performance - 11-15-2012
Sounds good
Yes, I needed a fast solution and didn`t have a milling machine. If you are very precise with the measures, you can get it 99% But in other hand i must say that these gearboxes are really strong!
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - TURBO_DAN - 11-16-2012
Hi,you can get any 6 speed gear box from mercedes cdi engines,after 2000 and you will not breake the box,numbers of the box are not so important.What maters is that you have 6 gears spreads between the power,and every gear is on top of the peak of the the torque,so less abuse of every gear,in another words there is no lag or holes between gears.There will more stress onto the rear axle but less on the box.Another solution is BMW getrag box,also 6 speeds,proven up to 1000 N/m of torque...
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - Savitas - 12-20-2012
BMW gearbox 100% complete and ready to work with OM606 engine, some pictures:
![[Image: ab7a62fb6981.jpg]](http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/1212/16/ab7a62fb6981.jpg)
![[Image: e5e36c0b30f4.jpg]](http://s002.radikal.ru/i198/1212/71/e5e36c0b30f4.jpg)
![[Image: 4eb65f0cb421.jpg]](http://s019.radikal.ru/i619/1212/a0/4eb65f0cb421.jpg)
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - maKe- - 12-24-2012
What about V160/V161 Getrag from Mkiv Supra / R34 GT-R skyline? Pretty much bulletproof box with nice gear ratios.
Only con is that it's pretty expensive... 1500-4000€ used, but +1300Nm torque and 8sec launches on OEM transmission that holds just fine?
Should be nice combination with 2.8-3.2 final drive differential.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - maxypriest - 03-06-2013
(01-14-2012, 01:11 AM)hansebanger77 Sorry false number. I pick up this 654. Will see next days what happens. Any tips for the speedometer ? Its electric Signal.How did you get around the speedo problem?
Thx
Max
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - HaavardPYA - 03-29-2013
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/archive/index.php/thread-370.html
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - HaavardPYA - 04-04-2013
http://www.abbott-tach.com/cablex.htm
maybe this is something to consider when installing a electronic signal transmission?
But the gearshifter looks difficult on the 716 boxes? Looks like some kind of wire to it as well?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - CRD4x4 - 04-04-2013
Anyone have any real world experience with a Getrag 265/6 from e30 BMW's? It's what I've chosen to put behind my 606 because its "bulletproof" and has a removable bellhousing (for ease of fabrication)
I have yet to mate them but I hope it'll work well.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - Corkuin - 09-09-2013
I know a 716.651 for sale. I want to put behind my 450-500hp OM606. Is this a good choice? In the other posts I saw 716.654 but I don't know if there is a lot of difference. And which flywheel would you recommend? I still have the original 722.6 gearbox but when I want to place it in an old car I will need to buy the special electronics and I saw something about €1200 which is to expensive..
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - HaavardPYA - 09-12-2013
716.651 is ok.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - Jetmugg - 09-16-2013
Very good work on adapting and welding the BMW gearbox to the MB bellhousing! I am also very interested in putting a strong manual transmission behind an OM606 superturbo, but for a different type of application (land speed racing attempt).
How were you able to align the input shaft of the transmission within the MB bellhousing pattern?
If someone could come up with a mechanical drawing, showing the relative position of the bolt holes to the centerline of the crankshaft, I believe I could have some adapters made up economically in the US. I manage a manufacturing company with a machine shop, and also work with waterjet and laser cutting vendors.
Right now, the missing piece of the puzzle is a good set of drawings showing the position of all 10 bolt holes on the back of the block, as well as the centerline of the crankshaft.
SteveM.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - HaavardPYA - 09-17-2013
With my orginal rear end(2.86) i have 312 as top speed with 18" wheels and 716.654 gearbox.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - swampmonkey - 12-25-2013
(11-16-2012, 06:52 PM)TURBO_DAN Hi,you can get any 6 speed gear box from mercedes cdi engines,after 2000 and you will not breake the box,numbers of the box are not so important.What maters is that you have 6 gears spreads between the power,and every gear is on top of the peak of the the torque,so less abuse of every gear,in another words there is no lag or holes between gears.There will more stress onto the rear axle but less on the box.Another solution is BMW getrag box,also 6 speeds,proven up to 1000 N/m of torque...
any box? does that include the 616349 etc and other numbers? no difference?
seems to be a couple of those for resonable prices...
but would like to know what the difference is between them...
what clutch+flywheel can one use with them, any differences between numbers of gearbox?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - swatmugga - 07-08-2014
I have an 716.603 here.
Does it have a big difference to 716.654 or not?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - TvaiX - 07-08-2014
Maybe bell housing adapter what used for Om602 for G and T1 bus:
![[Image: mEGboOU9LtjiRoosDerKoCA.jpg]](http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mEGboOU9LtjiRoosDerKoCA.jpg)
Can be used as adapter for bmw gear box? Anybody done research on it maybe?
Also I`m entertaining idea that maybe for fun put sequential gear box, anybody know good strong possibilities? How I understand USA has many possibilities, EU is pure in this area...
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - HD30TOY - 01-28-2016
(09-12-2013, 12:12 PM)HaavardPYA 716.651 is ok.
I want to put in my w201 om606 this gearbox...its plug and play with om606 engine? what modification i need?
and clunch?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - m1tch - 01-29-2016
Could you not install an uprated 722.6 automatic box and then add manual shifter paddles using the gearbox controller?
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - Tito - 01-29-2016
+1 on that. I believe that's the strongest solution. The 722.6 strongest version was fitted in the e55 AMG (or the v12?) which will accept a diesel bellhousing.
RE: what manual for 606 superturbo - m1tch - 01-30-2016
(01-29-2016, 11:39 AM)Tito +1 on that. I believe that's the strongest solution. The 722.6 strongest version was fitted in the e55 AMG (or the v12?) which will accept a diesel bellhousing.
Indeed, they kept the 722.6 box on the higher power V8 and V12 models as the newer gearbox with 7 gears wasn't strong enough, the AMG box does have a few differences with the clutch packs, considering you can get 1000bhp bulletproof NAG1 (722.6) boxes for drag racing its why I am staying with an auto, especially as I can get the gearbox controller and shift manually quicker than with an actual gearstick!