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7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - sjwbond - 03-03-2012
Has anyone on the forum installed tomniks 7.5mm elements on an electronic M pump?
I have a pump ready to fit to my w210 606 but I was wondering if after the elements are swapped is it just a straight plug and play or does it need to be adjusted by a pump specialist?
because my car is remapped could there be any problems with idle etc?
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - Alastair E - 03-03-2012
Cant just 'swap the elements'
MUCH more to it than that, this procedure MUST be done by diesel-injection specialist with the parts and specialist test-bench to set up the pump properly--Even though it IS elect controlled....
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - sjwbond - 03-03-2012
Sorry maybe I should have explained better.
The swap has already been carried out by a diesel specialist, the elements are already in the ip, only thing now is to fit it.. that was my question, now the work was done on the bench is it as straight forward as plug play?
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - E300TSC - 03-03-2012
I have Tom's 7.5 elements in my OM606. It works OK but not great with the stock turbo. To reduce smoke, installed a small tube in the MAP sensor line with 2 1.5mm holes to prevent over fueling the stock turbo by fooling the MAP sensor.
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - sjwbond - 03-04-2012
No problem for me I already have a gt28r fitted.
So whatthis basically means that once the IP is fitted It should be drivable without having to adjust anything for things like Idle, but It might be a little smokey?
Correct me if im wrong!
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - INC - 03-04-2012
I have 2 electical pumps with Tomnik elements. OM606 and OM605. No problems with idle at all, if swaping is done properly. Maybe you will need some software adjustment in load, and higher RPMs.
Any foto from your turbo, and how you make WG control?
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - sjwbond - 03-04-2012
no photo right now but I will take some, and post them
right now WG is not actuated... I figured that the standard IP cant get the Fuel to run this turbo upto a dangerous level as its ball bearing and on petrol engines this turbo is rated for 360bhp...
I will take a line from the compressor outlet with a manual boost controller to control the WG, I just ordered the parts from ebay and am waiting for them now.
Wastegate actuator on this thing s very stiff though, supposedly GT28R actuator is supposed to be set to 11psi from factory, but I can barely move the arm at all by hand... is that normal?
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - squirrelmaster - 03-04-2012
sounds like u need a stock pump i have one id loike to buy this pump u have with the 7.5mm in them get rid of the eletronis shit get a 603 pump i have one manual idle govener and smoke compensation valve to adjust how much fuel b4 boost occurs
little smoke never hurt no one i need more fuel to feed the holset he351 my 603 is exhaling into its vane/ come is opened by expressure spools good and give approx 15psi intake boost with 16 ex man pressure
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - mantahead - 03-05-2012
hi,
i made 368bhp with Tomniks elements in an electronic pump on an om605. I swapped the elements myself. I used a potentiometer for more fuel. The main problem was rpm The remap guy doing the files seemed to hit a brick wall at 5500rpm with full fuel only to 4900rpm.
Anyone let me know if they can get more rpm with electronic pump
wayne
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - bad3gakk - 03-07-2012
Mantahead, correct me if I'm wrong, but you said here "seemed to hit a brick wall at 5500rpm with full fuel only to 4900rpm."
wich would indicate to me that your pump has a governor weight system wich eventually retracts the rack at a given RPM?
I had a omega 2,5td I was about to map myself, and did alot of investigating in the VE37 pump and the corresponding maps&electronics, there was the rpm limited electronically, and was at a given adress in the ECU program, possible to change.
If the rpm limiter is electronically limited in your pump, your software guy should be able to change it, if else Göran might be the man to fix it mechanically in the pump..
RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - mantahead - 03-07-2012
hi,
i don't think there are any mechanical weights in there. just a stepper solenoid controlled by pwm signals from ecu. i will check again but the only thing i noticed was the timing pointer on the end of the cam.
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RE: 7.5 Floyd Elements in M pump 606 - INC - 03-08-2012
(03-07-2012, 10:36 AM)bad3gakk Mantahead, correct me if I'm wrong, but you said here "seemed to hit a brick wall at 5500rpm with full fuel only to 4900rpm."
wich would indicate to me that your pump has a governor weight system wich eventually retracts the rack at a given RPM?
I had a omega 2,5td I was about to map myself, and did alot of investigating in the VE37 pump and the corresponding maps&electronics, there was the rpm limited electronically, and was at a given adress in the ECU program, possible to change.
If the rpm limiter is electronically limited in your pump, your software guy should be able to change it, if else Göran might be the man to fix it mechanically in the pump..
You can`t make higher max RPM modifying this type pump. Only way is to make it in software, but its old type ecu and its not so easy to find this limit.