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a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - 300SD_KY - 05-13-2012
diesel powered cars are fast + efficient + long-lasting = it's in our DNA.
1976 is the year ... when a 5-cylinder diesel powered Mercedes benz car achieves 0-60 miles per hour time of ~4.7 (four point seven) seconds and a top speed of 186 (one hundred eighty six) miles per hour ... and breaks every single record (mph, mpg, etc for 10,000 miles).
Wait for it ... using old tires and 14" wheels, a 1976 Mercedes Diesel car is faster or as fast as the following A-to-Z cars 0-60 mph:
1991 Acura NSX 5.7 seconds
1977 AMC Gremlin 17.8 seconds
2007 Audi S8 L with the 12-cylinder engine: 5.0 seconds
2011 Alfa Romeo MiTo Veloce: 7.5 seconds
2000 Ariel Atom: 5.5 seconds
2010 Aston Martin DB9: 4.7 seconds
2009 Bentley Continental GT: 4.7 seconds
1996 BMW 850Ci: 6.4 seconds
2006 BMW Z4 M Roadster: 4.7 seconds
1987 Buick Regal GNX: 4.6 seconds (ok, you got me with faster tires)
2004 Cadillac CTS-V: 5.0 seconds
1991 Chevrolet Corvette (Callaway Twin Turbo): 4.7 seconds
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1: 4.8 seconds
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1: 5.2 seconds
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS: 4.8 seconds
2005 Chrysler 300C SRT8: 4.6 (ok, you got me with faster tires)
1983 Datsun 280ZX Turbo: 7.2 seconds
1985 Detomaso Pantera GT5-S: 5.3 seconds
1997 Dodge Viper RT/10: 4.6 (ok, you got me with faster tires)
1995 Eagle Talon TSi: 6.3 seconds
1997 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta: 4.7 seconds
2012 Fiat 500 Abarth Edition: 6.7 seconds
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-H: 5.2 seconds
1993 Geo Storm GSi: 8.6 seconds
1993 GMC Typhoon: 5.2 seconds
2008 Honda S2000 CR: 5.6 seconds
2003 Lingenfelter Hummer H2: 6.3 seconds
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec: 5.0 seconds
2011 Infiniti M56s: 4.8 seconds
1992 Isuzu Impulse RS: 7.6 seconds
2004 Jaguar XJR: 4.9 seconds
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (6.1L Hemi): 4.7 seconds
2011 Kia Optima SX Turbo: 6.1 seconds
2004 Koenigsegg CCR: 3.7 (ok, you got me with a supercar)
1995 Lamborghini Diablo VT: 4.6 seconds (ok, you got me with faster tires)
2010 Range Rover Supercharged: 5.0 seconds
2010 Lexus IS 350 C: 5.7 seconds
2012 Lincoln MKS (3.5L EcoBoost): 5.3 seconds
2011 Lotus Evora IPS: 4.9 seconds
2012 Maserati Quattroporte S: 4.8 seconds
2009 Mazda MX-5 Miata Grand Touring: 6.8 seconds
2011 McLaren MP4-12C: 2.9 seconds (ok, you got me with a supercar)
2008 Mercedes CL63 AMG: 4.2 (ok, you got me with faster tires)
2003 Mercury Marauder: 6.8 seconds
2013 Mini Cooper Countryman JCW Edition: 6.1 seconds
2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR Touring: 5.2 seconds
2010 Nissan 370Z Roadster Touring: 5.0 seconds
1969 Oldsmobile 442: 5.8 seconds
1999 Plymouth Prowler: 5.7 seconds
2002 Pontiac Firebird (LS1): 5.0 seconds
2011 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet: 6.4 seconds
2012 Rolls-Royce Phantom 102EX Electric Hybrid Prototype: 8.0 seconds
2011 Saab 9-5 Aero Turbo 6 XWD: 6.0 seconds
2008 Saleen S281 3V Mustang: 5.0 seconds
2007 Saturn Sky Redline: 5.1 seconds
2013 Scion FR-S: 5.9 seconds
1992 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C: 4.7 seconds
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STI: 5.0 seconds
2009 Suzuki XL7 2WD: 7.8 seconds
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo: 5.0 seconds
1980 Triumph TR8: 8.4 seconds
2012 Volkswagon GTI Edition 35 DSG: 5.4 seconds
2012 Volvo S60 T6 R-Design: 5.1 seconds
sources:
A. 0 to 60 mph times http://www.zeroto60times.com/
B. http://www.insideline.com/mercedes-benz/1976-mercedes-benz-c111-iid.html
C. and others
RE: a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - winmutt - 05-13-2012
To be fair that was a very very special super car.
RE: a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - sassparilla_kid - 05-13-2012
That thing has a neat looking steering wheel...
RE: a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - winmutt - 05-16-2012
PS where did you get the 4.7s from? Most of the articles I read said it took forever to get to top speed because of gearing.
RE: a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - 300SD_KY - 05-18-2012
the source: http://www.supercars.net/cars/3018.html
the stats:
engine 5-Cylinder
position Front
aspiration Natural
displacement 3000 cc / 183.07 in³
power 141.7 kw / 190 bhp
specific output 63.33 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 153.23 bhp per tonne
body / frame Fiberglass Reinforced Plastic Body over Sheet Steel Chassis
driven wheels RWD
front tires 4.50/11.60-15
rear tires 5.50/13.60-15
front brakes Internally Ventilated Discs w/Vacuum Assist
rear brakes Internally Ventilated Discs w/Vacuum Assist
steering Recirculating Ball
f suspension Double Wishbones w/Torsion Bar, Spring Struts
r suspension Tripple Wishbones w/Torsion Bar, Spring Struts
weight 1240 kg / 2734 lbs
wheelbase 2620 mm / 103.1 in
front track 1410 mm / 55.5 in
rear track 1405 mm / 55.3 in
length 4440 mm / 174.8 in
width 1800 mm / 70.9 in
height 1120 mm / 44.1 in
transmission 5-Speed ZF 5 DS-25/1 Transaxle
final drive 3.166:1
top speed ~300 kph / 186.4 mph
0 - 60 mph ~4.7 seconds
Read more at http://www.supercars.net/cars/3018.html
RE: a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - winmutt - 05-18-2012
Yes but those stats are clearly wrong...
RE: a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - 300SD_KY - 05-24-2012
(05-18-2012, 08:43 PM)winmutt Yes but those stats are clearly wrong...
for the doubting Thomases & haters:
Further information from Daimler is available on the internet at:
www.media.daimler.com
Daimler Communications, 70546 Stuttgart/Germany
snippet:
After 12 hours of otherwise problem-free driving, the Mercedes-Benz brand had established nine absolute world records independent of engine type and displacement – achieved with a near-production three-liter diesel engine.
At the end of the day, the engine in the record car had consumed just less than 16 liters per 100 kilometers (17.66mpg) – another outstanding record given an average speed of over 300 km/h.
The world records established by the diesel-engined C 111-III
100 km 316.484 km/h
100 miles 319.835 km/h
500 km 321.860 km/h
500 miles 320.788 km/h
1000 km 318.308 km/h
1000 miles 319.091 km/h
1 hour 321.843 km/h
6 hours 317.976 km/h
12 hours 314.463 km/h
A world circuit record of 355.854 km/h had been in existence since 1975, established by a 1,000 hp racing car from the American Can-Am series. Though not recognized by FIA, it was a highly desirable world record, and after the successes with the C 111-III, the Mercedes-Benz engineers felt that it was within reach. Just another 100 hp would do – but could no longer be squeezed out of the near-production diesel.
So the team opted for the 4.5 liter V8 gasoline engine from large-scale production, raised its displacement to 4.8 liters and equipped the unit with sodium-cooled valves, two KKK turbochargers and a triple-plate clutch that was capable of coping with 600 Newtonmeters of torque.
With 368 kW/500 hp under the hood, achieved at relatively low expense, a C 111-IV modified into a racing car with further aerodynamic improvements, two fins and additional spoilers set out in Nardo on May 5, 1979 to have a go at the world circuit record.
After a smooth run, a new record of 403.978 km/h had been established. Over and above this, the car improved upon the record marks over ten and 100 kilometers as well as over ten and 100 miles.
RE: a little history comparison - 5 cylinder diesel versus today - winmutt - 05-24-2012
(05-18-2012, 08:09 PM)300SD_KY position Front
aspiration Natural
0 - 60 mph ~4.7 seconds
Those stats are wrong for the diesel.