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87 190D auto trans to manual - Jtn190D - 06-09-2009
Hi all im wondering if any of you have ever changed 87 190D 2.5 turbo auto trans to a manual one. I'm realy thinking of doing just not sure how to start, im looking to improve my MPG's a lot not sure if its the best way.
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - SurfRodder - 06-09-2009
(06-09-2009, 08:53 PM)Jtn190D Hi all im wondering if any of you have ever changed 87 190D 2.5 turbo auto trans to a manual one. I'm realy thinking of doing just not sure how to start, im looking to improve my MPG's a lot not sure if its the best way.
it should be relatively straight forward... as long as you have access to a few part yards that have cars with manuals in them... your engine has the more prevalent drivers side starter so there are many more donors to be had...
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jtn190D - 06-10-2009
Thanks for the info what type of trans would be my best bet? im thinking a 5spd but not shore whats out there.
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - SurfRodder - 06-10-2009
I believe the 190D actually was available with a 5 speed... someone else will probably chime in on that, but I'd start there... if you cant find one of those, I'd start searching what other models had that same trans...
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jtn190D - 06-10-2009
Do any of you now what model that 5sp trans is?
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - 2.5-10 - 06-13-2009
the only 190Ds that came with a manual in this country were the 2.2 and very rarely the 2.5 N/A
I too have a 2.5 Turbo and am itching to swap it to a manual
look for any 8, 10, 12V 5-speed manual transmission, they all fit.
flywheels all work, but find a 2.2 or 2.5 Diesel if you can. other than that - standard parts is all you need.
if you end up doing the swap - keep me updated as I have no idea where to start either!
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - oel_brenner - 06-13-2009
(06-13-2009, 09:46 PM)2.5-10 the only 190Ds that came with a manual in this country were the 2.2 and very rarely the 2.5 N/A
I too have a 2.5 Turbo and am itching to swap it to a manual
look for any 8, 10, 12V 5-speed manual transmission, they all fit.
flywheels all work, but find a 2.2 or 2.5 Diesel if you can. other than that - standard parts is all you need.
if you end up doing the swap - keep me updated as I have no idea where to start either!
you will probably need:
transmission
shifter assembly with shift rods
pedal cluster
slave cylinder and hyd lines
flywheel /pressure plate
clutch disc
and the longer driveshaft
and thats just the major bits..
if you want it with the shift light and the neutral/clutch safety switch
and other stuff.. even more parts..
the best way is to have a donor car ( or junkyard donor car )
and get everything you need
I am collecting parts to do the manual swap in my OM603/W124
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jtn190D - 06-17-2009
Where would be a good place to look for these parts?
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - SurfRodder - 06-17-2009
(06-17-2009, 07:39 AM)Jtn190D Where would be a good place to look for these parts?
your local part yard... auto dismantler (junk) yards that specialize in german cars are a good place to start, but around here (SoCal) theres usually quite a few in the 'regular' pick and pull yards. plus the specialty places ususally pull parts for you and as such cost a bit more...
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jetmugg - 08-19-2009
I have personally performed this swap on 2 different '87 190D 2.5 Turbos. It's a great swap. The power of the 2.5Turbo is nice, and the versatility of the 5-speed can't be beat.
If you don't know exactly all of the parts that you will need, your best bet is to have the parts donor car sitting nearby when you do the swap. There are enough "small" parts needed to make the job frustrating if you have to keep running back to the dealer and/or junkyard. This swap can be accomplished with 100% factory correct parts - no fabrication should be necessary.
The other main item to be aware of are the gear ratios available in the transmissions and the rearends. The "diesel" spec 5-speeds for the 190's are geared "lower" than the gas-spec transmissions. The other issue is the rearends. The 2.5 Turbo 190D's had 2.65 rearends in the USA. That's the tallest ratio of any W201 car. You will be much better served by a lower ratio (higher numerically) rearend, unless you are building a land-speed record car.
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jtn190D - 12-01-2009
Any pics?
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jetmugg - 12-02-2009
(12-01-2009, 07:48 PM)Jtn190D Any pics?
Sorry, no pics of the actual swapping while it's going on, but I posted a couple of pics of a finished car on the other thread.
I also have all the parts to do this swap to another car if you are really interested. (fresh tranny, clutch, flywheel, shifter, rods, pedal cluster, driveshaft, crossmember, slave cyl, etc.).
Two guys could complete this entire swap in a day if they have done it before. If you have never done it, figure on a couple of weekends.
SteveM.
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - winmutt - 12-02-2009
I've done a full swap by myself in a 13hr day on the W123. Can't imagine its much differents on a w201
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jtn190D - 12-07-2009
Yes very interested in this, how much do you want for the parts? would this have everything i would need to perform the swap? more info would be helpful.
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jetmugg - 12-07-2009
(12-07-2009, 12:24 PM)Jtn190D Yes very interested in this, how much do you want for the parts? would this have everything i would need to perform the swap? more info would be helpful.
Where are you located? I have everything needed for the swap, but you might want to replace the hydraulic line between the master and slave cylinders. If you are interested, I'm confident we can work out a suitable price and shipping arrangements.
SteveM.
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jtn190D - 12-07-2009
I'm near Albany NY. yes very interested, are these parts in good shape? how many miles on transmission? PM me with info and pricing.
Thanks a lot!
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - Jetmugg - 12-08-2009
(12-07-2009, 05:58 PM)Jtn190D I'm near Albany NY. yes very interested, are these parts in good shape? how many miles on transmission? PM me with info and pricing.
Thanks a lot!
PM has been sent.
Steve.
RE: 87 190D auto trans to manual - George3soccer - 12-08-2009
Noice noice one more person added onto the manual list. Ill be complete with this swap after Dec. 17. I will let everyone in with pictures and information.