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OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 08-08-2013
Hello Everyone !!
Im starting a new project building a OM 606 Compound turbo in a 98 Mercedes 300TDT.
I will use the org KKK turbo and an T 70 turbo.
here are some pictures so far :
Best regards from Sweden...To be continued !!
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Simpler=Better - 08-08-2013
That's a clever log manifold, I might need to steal your ideas
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - CRD4x4 - 08-08-2013
Subscribed!!
Nice work! Could you share more about your compound setup? Bypass? BOV?
I'm very interested and can't wait to see more progress!
Keep up the good work
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - willbhere4u - 08-08-2013
Nice! It should have really good low end spooling characteristics with the stock turbo what level of boost are you shooting for? are you going to build up the injection pump to match it?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 08-10-2013
(08-08-2013, 02:22 PM)Simpler=Better That's a clever log manifold, I might need to steal your ideas
Just build a similar one thats nice when ideas can inspire others
(08-08-2013, 02:43 PM)CRD4x4 Subscribed!!
Nice work! Could you share more about your compound setup? Bypass? BOV?
I'm very interested and can't wait to see more progress!
Keep up the good work
There gonna be an 60 mm WG bypassing the small turbo when the exhaust back pressure is too high and no WG in the small turbo a strong spring will hold that shut.On the pressure site it will be no by pass just a big Inter cooler .
(08-08-2013, 04:52 PM)willbhere4u Nice! It should have really good low end spooling characteristics with the stock turbo what level of boost are you shooting for? are you going to build up the injection pump to match it?
The pump is o it´s way to Dieselmeken
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 08-18-2013
Some New pictures of the exhaust part...
it´s great when the parts are made from head till reality
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Ksteen2 - 08-19-2013
looking good
keep up the good work and photo's
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - 97e300 - 08-20-2013
How do you reckon your log manifold compares to a tubular? I'm sure your setup is plenty powerful as it is. I'm also interested as to where to get some T's like that and how you bent yours if you don't mind sharing?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Simpler=Better - 08-20-2013
They look like plumbing tees, the same ones you would weld together on railings, etc.
It loks like they were ovaled with a hammer or press or vise
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - willbhere4u - 08-20-2013
Very nice! keep up the good work!
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 08-20-2013
Hello !!
The T tubes i use are from a local hardware shop it´s for steam piping etc 4 mm thick , the diameter is 2,5 " or 65 mm .
i did the ovaling by hand with a two steel rods and a big wise and some sledgehammer
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - erling66 - 08-21-2013
Very nice project, you got 2 turbos into a small space
Hopefully everything will work as planed. The only concern is heat and back pressure, hopefully the WG will keep up. A good idea will be to install a pressure and temp sensor in the manifold.Will you push all the air coming from the large turbo trough the small turbo or will you bypass it when pressure builds up?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 08-24-2013
(08-21-2013, 01:42 AM)erling66 Very nice project, you got 2 turbos into a small space
Will you push all the air coming from the large turbo trough the small turbo or will you bypass it when pressure builds up?
There will be pressure and heat sensor in the manifold , no by pass on the small turbo .
Early Cristmas
7,5 mm 140 CC Pump
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 08-24-2013
(08-24-2013, 01:00 AM)Sotvisp(08-21-2013, 01:42 AM)erling66 Very nice project, you got 2 turbos into a small space
Will you push all the air coming from the large turbo trough the small turbo or will you bypass it when pressure builds up?
There will be pressure and heat sensor in the manifold , no by pass on the small turbo .
Early Cristmas
7,5 mm 140 CC Pump
Good link about Bosch inline pumps http://transportation.centennialcollege.ca/oduffy/fuels/HD%20fuels%203/inline.pdf
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - MFSuper90 - 08-27-2013
What size inducer is the t70?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 08-28-2013
(08-27-2013, 04:20 PM)MFSuper90 What size inducer is the t70?
Compressor Wheel: 62mm
Turbine wheel: 62.5 mm
Exhaust house: A / R 0.63
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Storm_x - 08-28-2013
(08-28-2013, 10:04 AM)Sotvisp(08-27-2013, 04:20 PM)MFSuper90 What size inducer is the t70?
Compressor Wheel: 62mm
Turbine wheel: 62.5 mm
Exhaust house: A / R 0.63
Nice project!!!
what exducer size turbine wheel?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Ksteen2 - 08-29-2013
62.5mm
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - maxypriest - 08-30-2013
(08-24-2013, 01:00 AM)Sotvisp(08-21-2013, 01:42 AM)erling66 Very nice project, you got 2 turbos into a small space
Will you push all the air coming from the large turbo trough the small turbo or will you bypass it when pressure builds up?
There will be pressure and heat sensor in the manifold , no by pass on the small turbo .
Early Cristmas
7,5 mm 140 CC Pump
very nice!
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - EDH_Performance - 08-31-2013
(08-29-2013, 06:46 AM)Ksteen2 62.5mm
When the turbo goes to hell, save the exhausthousing! It is bolt on to the hx35 and hx40!!!
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 09-04-2013
No more EGR !!
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - willbhere4u - 09-04-2013
looks very nice did you have to weld the housing when you got all of that stuff out?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 09-05-2013
(09-04-2013, 05:18 PM)willbhere4u looks very nice did you have to weld the housing when you got all of that stuff out?
I put M6 and M10 carriage bolt from the inside and machined them down.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - willbhere4u - 09-05-2013
nice and simple I like that idea
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 09-08-2013
Finally i have mounted the new pump from Dieselmeken in my car.
The original leaking O-ring Pre filter is in the garbage bag and a "new" from an OM616 w 123 is mounted with "real" banjocouplings !! so no more bubbles .
I have started the car and i runs perfect ! so soon the turbos will be installed.
a couple of pics i made a tool for the pump with IKEA parts
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Ksteen2 - 09-09-2013
looks good
but i think you need a bigger turbo
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Hario' - 10-02-2013
Hello you said you are using an external wastegate to bypass the high pressure turbo but there is no wastegate flange on the manifold?
The wastegate flange you fitted seems to be on the high pressure turbo outlet?
Or am I misunderstanding?
H.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Simpler=Better - 10-03-2013
(09-08-2013, 12:53 PM)Sotvisp Finally i have mounted the new pump from Dieselmeken in my car.
The original leaking O-ring Pre filter is in the garbage bag and a "new" from an OM616 w 123 is mounted with "real" banjocouplings !! so no more bubbles .
I have started the car and i runs perfect ! so soon the turbos will be installed.
a couple of pics i made a tool for the pump with IKEA parts
This is my new favorite post on STD. A Swedish guy made an IP timing tool from IKEA parts.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 10-29-2013
Hello again long time no see..
The car is up and running now som fine adjust to be done with wastegate it´s running fine with boost from 1000 rpm and up ..
here are some more pictures..
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - NGARover - 10-29-2013
Look fantastic. Would love to see and hear some video of it.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - willbhere4u - 10-29-2013
looks great! I would love to see some videos and hear how that sounds!
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Ksteen2 - 10-30-2013
lovley build, but how did you manage you'r oil?
return from the T70 to the small ? or did you make two single systems?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Flakis - 10-30-2013
Very nice
But i put my dieselmeken 7,5mm pump on 14 degrees and got a really good response Where in Sweden are you from?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - winmutt - 10-30-2013
(09-08-2013, 12:53 PM)Sotvisp a couple of pics i made a tool for the pump with IKEA parts
Brilliant!
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 10-30-2013
(10-30-2013, 03:20 AM)Ksteen2 lovley build, but how did you manage you'r oil?
return from the T70 to the small ? or did you make two single systems?
I make i y crossing just above the original oil return in the block a bit tricky but running well now..
(10-30-2013, 04:32 AM)Flakis Very niceIm from Blekinge sweden ..is it more fast rev in the 14 degree mode??
Where in Sweden are you from?
(10-29-2013, 01:40 PM)willbhere4u looks great! I would love to see some videos and hear how that sounds!
There will be videos
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Flakis - 10-31-2013
(10-30-2013, 04:32 AM)Flakis Very niceIm from Blekinge sweden ..is it more fast rev in the 14 degree mode??
Where in Sweden are you from?
I think so. lesser degrees = better bottom, better response
never tried on my 15 but I know those who have fallen between 12 and 14 also: P
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 02-22-2014
Sorry for the bad updates here i have an other projekt a 250tdt with 8 mm pump and ball-bearing turbo will be a new tread soon.
The 300 will be rebuild soon to bigger turbos for less back pressaure so as soon as some progress is made there will be updates.
Keep on Rocking Diesel lovers!!..
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - F.R.A.S - 02-23-2014
You from Blekinge? Where? I'm from Blekinge also, Karlskrona/Ronneby! And I don't recognize this build.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 02-23-2014
(02-23-2014, 05:10 AM)F.R.A.S You from Blekinge? Where? I'm from Blekinge also, Karlskrona/Ronneby! And I don't recognize this build.
Yes from Hassloe inbetween Kna-Rnb , i know Macke in your shop..
I have build many Diesels in the past...
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - F.R.A.S - 02-23-2014
Amazing
I have to ask Macke why I haven't seen this build. What's the next project then?You have to visit the shop and look at the e36/46 om605 Compakt. It's really coming together now. Far from the old soot-whore 4-5years ago
(02-23-2014, 08:11 AM)Sotvisp(02-23-2014, 05:10 AM)F.R.A.S You from Blekinge? Where? I'm from Blekinge also, Karlskrona/Ronneby! And I don't recognize this build.
Yes from Hassloe inbetween Kna-Rnb , i know Macke in your shop..
I have build many Diesels in the past...
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Hario' - 03-05-2014
(10-02-2013, 04:53 PM)Hario Hello you said you are using an external wastegate to bypass the high pressure turbo but there is no wastegate flange on the manifold?
The wastegate flange you fitted seems to be on the high pressure turbo outlet?
Or am I misunderstanding?
H.
I have realized I am an idiot with the above comment. lol
606 compounding with the factory turbo for HP turbo is awesome and exactly what I want to do..
Keep it up.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Alcaid - 03-08-2014
Compounding with the stock turbo without complete bypass (sequential) is a really bad idea with regards to back pressure...
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - shadowmaker - 03-09-2014
(03-08-2014, 05:53 PM)Alcaid Compounding with the stock turbo without complete bypass (sequential) is a really bad idea with regards to back pressure...
Maybe so, but I bet the real problem was LP getting in surge area -> high back pressure. Looking from T70 compressor map, it is very bad choice for LP.
Also both these turbos are very old design with poor best efficiency -> hot IATs and unnecessary high BP even if they were correctly matched to each other.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Tito - 03-09-2014
I can't get my head around this setup. There must be a wastegate between the big turbo and the 2nd manifold exit I guess?
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Hario' - 03-09-2014
Only enough wastegate bypass is needed to keep manifold back pressure down, 44mm for example?
The HP turbo only needs enough exhaust to drive the compressor wheel to produce 15psi PR (example figure).
Tito, there is a wastegate bypassing the small high pressure (primary) turbo, this is usually boost pressure referenced. But my setup will see the primary turbo wastegate reference exhaust manifold pressure. So it bypasses when exhaust pressure gets to an unacceptable level dictated by me and probably my EGT/EGP gauges.
Keep it up, compounding is the unsung hero of all things coal powered! Lol
H.
RE: OM 606 Turbo Compound - Sotvisp - 09-08-2016
380se om606 rebuild
Some new pictures
mounting of new intercooler build a new exhast bypass valve for the lp turbo
more to come.