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Injection pump tools. - Druk - 09-20-2013
Please excuse my drawings. Not what you might call machineshop standard.
However. This is the 'basket' required for holding the pump timing pulley in place on a 606.962 and 606.910 when the IP is removed. Only one of three lugs shown for clarity.
![[Image: basket003_zps59dbc202.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/Pump%20Basket/basket003_zps59dbc202.jpg.html)
Basic materials are ID 80mm x L 50mm pipe with wall thickness approx 2mm - 3mm and squared off on at least one end. The ID is what holds the pulley.
3 pcs of (suggest) 18mm x 3mm and approx L 30mm flatbar with 7mm hole @ one end. Length is dependant on pipe wall.
Offer pipe up to pulley and hold in place. Bolt each piece of flatbar to a vacuum pump bolthole equidistant round the pipe and tack weld.
This is an OEM basket. There is no need, as far as I can determine, for the cut-outs in the side. It's only there to hold a pulley from dropping.
![[Image: basket001_zps2cd918e5.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/Pump%20Basket/basket001_zps2cd918e5.jpg.html)
And inverted....
![[Image: basket002_zps8358cbf6.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/Pump%20Basket/basket002_zps8358cbf6.jpg.html)
.Also required is the IP locking tool. There is no real need for the complicated spring and circlip engineering nor the threaded nut which secures the OEM version to the IP. The 11mm dia rod is self-supported by the hole in the IP. This tool simply determines and locks the IP in the correct timing position.
![[Image: basket005_zps6bee8ee4.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/Pump%20Basket/basket005_zps6bee8ee4.jpg.html)
The 11mm diameter might have to be relieved by a fraction to enter the hole in the IP. Mine calipered at 10.98mm DOH!. The 2mm slot however does have to be dead-on the centerline on the face end otherwise the timing will be wrong.
![[Image: basket006_zps1e79ef41.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/Pump%20Basket/basket006_zps1e79ef41.jpg.html)
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RE: Injection pump tools. - Simpler=Better - 09-20-2013
Thank you. When I get some free time I'll make up pretty drawings and post back.
RE: Injection pump tools. - maxypriest - 09-22-2013
(09-20-2013, 10:07 AM)Druk Please excuse my drawings. Not what you might call machineshop standard.This information is solid gold.
However. This is the 'basket' required for holding the pump timing pulley in place on a 606.962 and 606.910 when the IP is removed. Only one of three lugs shown for clarity.
Basic materials are ID 80mm x L 50mm pipe with wall thickness approx 2mm - 3mm and squared off on at least one end. The ID is what holds the pulley.
3 pcs of (suggest) 18mm x 3mm and approx L 30mm flatbar with 7mm hole @ one end. Length is dependant on pipe wall.
Offer pipe up to pulley and hold in place. Bolt each piece of flatbar to a vacuum pump bolthole equidistant round the pipe and tack weld.
This is an OEM basket. There is no need, as far as I can determine, for the cut-outs in the side. It's only there to hold a pulley from dropping.
And inverted....
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Also required is the IP locking tool. There is no real need for the complicated spring and circlip engineering nor the threaded nut which secures the OEM version to the IP. The 11mm dia rod is self-supported by the hole in the IP. This tool simply determines and locks the IP in the correct timing position.
The 11mm diameter might have to be relieved by a fraction to enter the hole in the IP. Mine calipered at 10.98mm DOH!. The 2mm slot however does have to be dead-on the centerline on the face end otherwise the timing will be wrong.
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Thankyou druk.
Max
RE: Injection pump tools. - waz - 09-23-2013
Dang, I knew I needed to take a look at this over the weekend and never had time.
Image and video hosting sites are blocked here at work. I can't see any of it, yet.
Even without seeing it, Thank You!
RE: Injection pump tools. - hooblah - 09-23-2013
Thanks Derek!
How necessary is this 'basket' when fitting/removing an IP?
Do you have a mercedes part number and how much are they?
RE: Injection pump tools. - Druk - 09-23-2013
(09-23-2013, 03:41 PM)hooblah Thanks Derek!
How necessary is this 'basket' when fitting/removing an IP?
Do you have a mercedes part number and how much are they?
Two years ago they were 0.82pence. When I last enquired they were well over £120. Someone in Sindelfingen has twigged. They are a must have before you take the pump out otherwise the timing sprocket and chain drop inside the timing case. Do you still want the part number cos I can get it tomorrow from my tool store.
RE: Injection pump tools. - hooblah - 09-24-2013
Yes please!
I can see this being an issue with the engine still in the car, but if Ive got the engine out of the car would I still require it?
RE: Injection pump tools. - Druk - 09-25-2013
Part number on basket...601 589 05 14 00
Part number on IP locking tool... 601 589 05 21 00
Wouldn't make any difference if the engine was out or in, the timing wheel's still going to fall into the front case if it's not secured somehow. Friend on here did suggest that he has stuffed rags around the timing wheel in the past to hold it in position but that would be your choice. OK for someone who knows exactly what they're doing but not something I would say to do if you're not absolutely certain of what you're at.
RE: Injection pump tools. - hooblah - 09-25-2013
Thank you Derek!
I have just enquired at my local MB dealer and they are £121+vat. Ridiculous.
HughF was kind enough to send me the IP locking tool, muchos gracias Hugh!
RE: Injection pump tools. - winmutt - 09-25-2013
I have spare baskets F/S
RE: Injection pump tools. - waz - 09-25-2013
I did get a good look at (and saved) the sketch and pictures of the basket.
Thank you very much. That's all I should need to make one if/when the need arises.
RE: Injection pump tools. - hooblah - 09-25-2013
Im still pretty new to these engines so excuse the stupid questions, but would a piece of string or some wire suffice to prevent the pulley from falling into the front case?
RE: Injection pump tools. - winmutt - 09-25-2013
It's not a stupid question. In fact IIRC the manual says that its unlikely to happen. Whats the worst case scenario? Rolling in a new chain?
RE: Injection pump tools. - Druk - 09-27-2013
I think I would worry that the chain came off the crank sprocket and then if you pulled it back on it had jumped a tooth or two. How likely is that to happen? Don't know, but is it worth risking for the effort of fabbing up a simple holding tool?
RE: Injection pump tools. - Tito - 09-27-2013
I mounted my ip without basket. It actually was there, but I've removed it. I thought in needed to do this for access to the sprocket. It just stayed in place and didn't fall down. When
Mounting the pump again I just put my finger in the hole and stretch the chain. And the ip would simply slide in place.