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om606 flywheel - boyt - 10-06-2013
Hello
Does anyone know what the part number is for a flywheel for a om606 manual.
Thanks in advance
Andy
RE: om606 flywheel - hooblah - 10-06-2013
You mean the flex plate? Ive got one going spare if youre after one?
RE: om606 flywheel - boyt - 10-08-2013
Sorry I mean om603 flywheel. Must be solid and not dual mass.
Regards Andy
RE: om606 flywheel - Druk - 10-08-2013
The following part number is for a generic 603.912...whatever that is.
Without a specific Vin number it's difficult if not impossible to provide an accurate part number.
however:- A603 030 06 05 is a single mass flywheel fitted to this engine.
RE: om606 flywheel - boyt - 10-08-2013
That's the correct one cheers. Who do you guys use for that part supply
And how much
RE: om606 flywheel - THE DIGGER - 11-07-2013
Look it up here, you'll need google translate though!
http://www.detali.ru/
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 11-07-2013
(11-07-2013, 02:04 PM)_siim_ I can help with custom lightweight flywheel
Then you can use nascar 7.25 clutch which holds aloot of torq/power and its cheap to ebay.
Hi,
Can I keep my throwout bearing/slave cylinder setup from my 16v trans with this clutch?
RE: om606 flywheel - 97e300 - 11-07-2013
How much are you looking to get for that flywheel, slim?
RE: om606 flywheel - EDH_Performance - 11-08-2013
Have a look^^
http://bakaxel.se/koppling/svanghjul/svanghjul-mb-om606.html
http://bakaxel.se/koppling/svanghjul/svanghjul-mb-7-25-184mm.html
RE: om606 flywheel - Simpler=Better - 11-08-2013
(11-08-2013, 03:13 AM)_siim_(11-07-2013, 07:43 PM)raysorenson(11-07-2013, 02:04 PM)_siim_ I can help with custom lightweight flywheel
Then you can use nascar 7.25 clutch which holds aloot of torq/power and its cheap to ebay.
Hi,
Can I keep my throwout bearing/slave cylinder setup from my 16v trans with this clutch?
Yes
Price is 350-.eur + shipping
But I think the shipping to Usa cost a lot,it weights 2,2kg
That's only 5lbs, the size will be the issue shipping it
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 11-10-2013
Where do you get a Tilton clutch disc hub that is splined for the MB input shaft?
Are they available for the long input shaft transmissions and the short input shaft 6 speeds?
RE: om606 flywheel - _siim_ - 11-12-2013
(11-10-2013, 10:10 AM)raysorenson Where do you get a Tilton clutch disc hub that is splined for the MB input shaft?
Are they available for the long input shaft transmissions and the short input shaft 6 speeds?
Plug and play.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tilton-OT-II-7-25-3-Disk-Clutch-26-spline-Nascar-Racing-/321146726355?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item4ac5d627d3&vxp=mtr
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 11-12-2013
Thank you, _siim_ and EDH_Performance for the information. I've got a lot of reading to do.
RE: om606 flywheel - winmutt - 11-13-2013
Wow. Just wow. Best driveline post of the year. Could one simply redrill the stock flywheel for this clutch?
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 11-13-2013
I hadn't thought of that. I'm sure it can be done so long as the I.D. of the friction surface is small enough. Some of the clutches require a step (.1", IIRC) to be machined into the FW.
Those sintered metal 7.25 clutches will be unstreetable. The big question for me is: can you buy one of these used nascar clutches setup with the thin sintered metal discs and install thicker cerametallic or organic discs in it?
www.powertraintech.com makes a 7.25" 26 spline organic disc compatible with their stuff and Tilton clutches.
winmutt, you might also consider that the 606 FW the EDH linked to also allows the use of the 440 lb-ft capable Sachs 765 pressure plate. At 240mm, it should work with a 300e disc.
RE: om606 flywheel - Mark_M - 11-14-2013
what material is the flywheel made of siim?
RE: om606 flywheel - 2996 - 11-14-2013
I agree, these clutches are totally streetable, and even more so with a diesel. Just like with any different clutch setup, or when driving one car for another, you will need to make small adjustments to your driving. Once you get used to them, which is a fairly short learning curve, I actually prefer their behavior.
You can also shift nearly twice as fast if need be due to the lower inertia of the disks, and they are more friendly to the transmission syncros.
They also last a long time as well, and the rebuilds are very cost effective. In addition, the metallic material's coefficient of friction increases when they warm up, unlike organic materials which the coefficient of friction decreases with increasing temperature, which can lead to a slipping clutch.
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 11-14-2013
I say tomato, you guys say tomoto.
Some considerations:
Inline 6 engines have an inherent torsional vibration, not as bad as an I4, but worse than V6 or V8. Combine that with the super-low MOI of a 7.25 clutch and FW package and the lack of springs in the clutch plates and you will have a lot of NVH. Sporty? You bet. Loud? Check.
On/off switch. I've driven my share of aggressive clutches. Had a couple on daily drivers, got one on my motorcycle, and being both a car guy and a mechanic, I've gotten to drive lots of setups. I'm great at driving even the most miserable clutch, and by that measure, they're streetable. Do I want to back out of my steep driveway, which requires me to slip the clutch all the way to the top, every day? Does my fiancee want to drive it? Does my mother want to drive it? Will it get on my nerves in a traffic jam? Do I, at the age of 39, need to put up with that shit when I can just go out and buy a B5 Audi S4, an E39 M5 or maybe a 996? While I haven't ruled it out, I approach the idea of a 7.25" clutch with a lot of caution. I do know sintered metal is out. I don't even like it on my mountain bike brakes.
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 11-15-2013
Who wants to drive 600hp smoking and screaming monsterdiesel to work every day? The reality of my situation is that my mom and my wife need to drive my car on occasion when I'm working on their diesels. 550-600nm seems to be a reasonable limit for the Mercedes IDI powerplants and yet still have "nice" car to depend on.
I'm not criticizing the choices you've made in building your car and I love reading build threads on such machines. It's just been my personal experience that building a car like ones I've seen on internet forums that everyone is jealous of can be a disappointing experience once you realize first hand how hard they are to live with.
RE: om606 flywheel - john - 12-11-2013
My setup on om606 superdiesel in w123:
sachs 765 240 mm clutch, price: INCLUDING modified 220gasoline (freebee) singelmassflywheel. 400 euro
Kevlar singelclutch on special made bmwhub for zf gs6-53dz. Hold ALOT. Price 300 euro.
so for 700 euro I get a complete custom clutch that will be as almost my grandmother can drive it
RE: om606 flywheel - winmutt - 12-12-2013
Where did you get the kevlar clutch?
RE: om606 flywheel - john - 12-12-2013
(12-12-2013, 06:40 AM)winmutt Where did you get the kevlar clutch?
Special ordered at bakaxeldelar.se
Made from ha 525tds kevlat clutch and specialordered hub.
Can provide uf someone needs one and dont speak swedish.
RE: om606 flywheel - SurfRodder - 12-14-2013
(12-12-2013, 06:40 AM)winmutt Where did you get the kevlar clutch?
http://clutchnet.com/ makes them too. I think I will try to get a PP and Kevlar clutch made up for my 300e flywheel after I sell a 5 sp conversion kit.
RE: om606 flywheel - 2996 - 03-02-2014
I cannot wait to try it out
! Are they ready to ship yet?(11-15-2013, 08:45 AM)_siim_ Ok then,name some another clutch/flywheel setup vith can handle 700hp/1000nm and costs around 650-. eur. this is a good reason,
another thing,no one doesn't build 600hp smoking and screaming monsterdiesel to his mom,ok maybe few fins but not the normal guys.
RE: om606 flywheel - F.R.A.S - 03-05-2014
Is this right?
26-splines... http://www.ebay.com/itm/TILTON-7-25-3-Disk-Clutch-26-spline-Nascar-Racing-ARCA-QUARTERMASTER-/221387404661?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item338bb7b575&vxp=mtr
But how do we know that this have the right shaft diameter?
RE: om606 flywheel - 2996 - 03-05-2014
It "should" be as the 26 spline generally refers to GM, which is the right diameter and number of splines for Mercedes
Good price but rough looking disks and floater plates. Likely needs a rebuild.Warning to others!
All good, save for not getting a flywheel from _siim_. Simo, where are you? You have quite a lot of my money for awhile now, and I would really appreciate it if you would send me the flywheels. Contact me.
Does any else know this guy?
Not looking good at all
(03-05-2014, 06:44 AM)F.R.A.S Is this right?
26-splines... http://www.ebay.com/itm/TILTON-7-25-3-Disk-Clutch-26-spline-Nascar-Racing-ARCA-QUARTERMASTER-/221387404661?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item338bb7b575&vxp=mtr
But how do we know that this have the right shaft diameter?
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 03-06-2014
(03-05-2014, 06:26 PM)2996 Not looking good at all
Man, I'm sorry to hear. I hope it works out.
I just ordered a steel FW to fit the sachs 618 or 765 clutch from www.blingfactory.fi. I'll post in this thread how the transaction turns out.
I believe it's the same FW from bakaxel.se that EDH linked to above. Blingfactory claims to be the manufacturer of their flywheels and since bakaxel wants ~100 euro more, I'm assuming bakaxel is a reseller.
RE: om606 flywheel - 2996 - 03-06-2014
So do I, but I have news that he stopped working at Schmiedmann Finland just last week, right around the time when communication stopped. I was communicating regularly with him, as he was using his work email, the Schmiedmann one throughout, acting as an agent of the company in effect. Then, a few days ago, the email stopped working, and I got a message of failure to deliver
Their website: www.schmiedmann.fi
I was going to get one of those, they look quite nice, and was ready to pull the trigger, until I saw what Siim was selling. Bad choice it seems
(03-06-2014, 06:01 PM)raysorenson(03-05-2014, 06:26 PM)2996 Not looking good at all
Man, I'm sorry to hear. I hope it works out.
I just ordered a steel FW to fit the sachs 618 or 765 clutch from www.blingfactory.fi. I'll post in this thread how the transaction turns out.
I believe it's the same FW from bakaxel.se that EDH linked to above. Blingfactory claims to be the manufacturer of their flywheels and since bakaxel wants ~100 euro more, I'm assuming bakaxel is a reseller.
RE: om606 flywheel - peter - 03-07-2014
I think I will get a clutch like this too, but I am not shure if this 26 spline will fitt, because i can not find 26 spline with 1 1/8 inch from tilton. Will the 26 spline 1 5/32 inch from Tilton fitt?
The mercedes gearboxes have 1 1/8 inch or?
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 03-07-2014
1 1/8"/1.120"/28.5mm.
http://www.powertraintech.com/Files/PDFs/Spline%20list.pdf
3rd from bottom on list
RE: om606 flywheel - 2996 - 03-07-2014
Nice list Ray. That opens up a lot of options as well
(03-07-2014, 03:05 PM)raysorenson 1 1/8"/1.120"/28.5mm.
http://www.powertraintech.com/Files/PDFs/Spline%20list.pdf
3rd from bottom on list
RE: om606 flywheel - peter - 03-07-2014
(03-07-2014, 03:05 PM)raysorenson 1 1/8"/1.120"/28.5mm.
http://www.powertraintech.com/Files/PDFs/Spline%20list.pdf
3rd from bottom on list
thanks
. This could be mentioned at the list for the sintermetallic discs from tilton too. i wonder why its called 1 5/32 if its the same like 1 1/8 
RE: om606 flywheel - 2996 - 03-07-2014
It is just a GM specification or just how they write it for GM applications. Perhaps, it is a historic measurement.
(03-07-2014, 03:26 PM)peter(03-07-2014, 03:05 PM)raysorenson 1 1/8"/1.120"/28.5mm.
http://www.powertraintech.com/Files/PDFs/Spline%20list.pdf
3rd from bottom on list
thanks
RE: om606 flywheel - john - 03-17-2014
(03-06-2014, 06:01 PM)raysorenson(03-05-2014, 06:26 PM)2996 Not looking good at all
Man, I'm sorry to hear. I hope it works out.
I just ordered a steel FW to fit the sachs 618 or 765 clutch from www.blingfactory.fi. I'll post in this thread how the transaction turns out.
I believe it's the same FW from bakaxel.se that EDH linked to above. Blingfactory claims to be the manufacturer of their flywheels and since bakaxel wants ~100 euro more, I'm assuming bakaxel is a reseller.
not balanced, not machined to your specs of clutchdisk. They come in different thickness you know.
Why not order a original gas flywheel and have it machined and balanced to your exact specs? it would be cheaper to.
I think i paid 400 euro for mine balanced, machined, stitched to my specs including a brand new sachs 765 performance pressure plate.
RE: om606 flywheel - Gearbound - 03-17-2014
(11-15-2013, 08:45 AM)_siim_ Ok then,name some another clutch/flywheel setup vith can handle 700hp/1000nm and costs around 650-. eur. this is a good reason,
another thing,no one doesn't build 600hp smoking and screaming monsterdiesel to his mom,ok maybe few fins but not the normal guys.
I showed my mom the black smoke racing video. she said hell yeah she would drive that....
I guess where not a normal family.
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 03-17-2014
(03-17-2014, 04:08 PM)john not balanced, not machined to your specs of clutchdisk. They come in different thickness you know.
Why not order a original gas flywheel and have it machined and balanced to your exact specs? it would be cheaper to.
I think i paid 400 euro for mine balanced, machined, stitched to my specs including a brand new sachs 765 performance pressure plate.
I didn't balance my 16v flywheel. Just stuck it on there. I'm sure it's a neutral balance because the engine is still balanced.
If this transaction falls through, I'll get my current fw modded. As far as disc thickness, that will be sorted before I bolt it in. The 765 pressure plate alone will cost me almost what you've got in your whole setup. Congrats.
RE: om606 flywheel - john - 03-18-2014
(03-17-2014, 10:08 PM)raysorenson(03-17-2014, 04:08 PM)john not balanced, not machined to your specs of clutchdisk. They come in different thickness you know.
Why not order a original gas flywheel and have it machined and balanced to your exact specs? it would be cheaper to.
I think i paid 400 euro for mine balanced, machined, stitched to my specs including a brand new sachs 765 performance pressure plate.
I didn't balance my 16v flywheel. Just stuck it on there. I'm sure it's a neutral balance because the engine is still balanced.
If this transaction falls through, I'll get my current fw modded. As far as disc thickness, that will be sorted before I bolt it in. The 765 pressure plate alone will cost me almost what you've got in your whole setup. Congrats.
No, it need to be a zerobalance flywheel. because its a singelmass and a lowrpm diesel you wont notice it as much but you will stress your inputbearing in gearbox. All 765 sachs plates are zerobalanced.
i can provide both balanced and moded flywheel and 765 plate for you from sweden. have a guy that sells flywheel of my specs including 765 for around 400 euro. just need a singelmass core. i will offcourse do it for free. offcourse you need gearbox that fits a singelmass fw but because mercedes gearboxes suck you most likely have to modify a bmw gearbox and then you can put the inputshaft at desired hight from housing.
Hate to see you spending money down the drain. you still need to have your new finish flywheel machined acording to your clutch plate specs so moore money will be plowed down in it.
Still, its not very expensive for a brand new flywheel.
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 03-18-2014
Neutral balance=zero balance.
Thank you for the offer, I'll keep it in mind. I'd like to have to have the blingfactory FW since it will be heavier than a modded 16v flywheel. The gear rollover in my gearbox already sounds like a dump truck. Reducing mass will only make it worse. I've already paid for the FW and I can't make other plans until the flywheel either shows up or 45 days passes without delivery.
I've got a long input shaft Getrag 275 "Z" from a 16v. I think it will hold up.
RE: om606 flywheel - john - 03-18-2014
Since you need to machine your flywheel, its not balanced anymoore. Or find a clutch with exact specs of 765
Edit. And you have to put a starterring on and that will ad up.
Dont you have a tirebalancer to test it on?
RE: om606 flywheel - raysorenson - 03-18-2014
Great idea! I've got a few tire balancer options.
RE: om606 flywheel - john - 03-19-2014
thats what my fw guy does. uses his tiremachine