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OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-13-2014
Hi
Here is my new daily driver project. The car is a German Ford Taunus 1977 1.6L gasoline. Taunus never game with a diesel so I decided to make one
They only came with a R4 or V6 so I decided to use the OM604. They are easy to find and very cheap. Some say that they are not the best engine for high output since it has a bigger bore and longer stroke than the OM605/6 but we will see how much it can hold
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The engine fit but with some mod to the oilpan. I decided to use a larger pump since it will need to supply the turbo with oil too.
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I made the pan wider to have the same amount of oil. The welding looks bad
but I think it will hold the oil.![[Image: PB260003_zpseb848a92.jpg]](http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/erling66/media/Taunus%2077%20green/PB260003_zpseb848a92.jpg.html)
Making engine mounts.
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My first plan was to use a OM606 manifold and turbo but the turbo hit the subframe and it is very small so I forgot that plan.
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Looks like it will be tight, oilpan and head hits at the same time
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But with a little twist and straightening, it went in
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The fuelpump is from a OM601 turbo and it has 6mm elements stock.
the oilfilter housing is from a OM602, the stock has a cooler and does not fit with an inline fuelpump.
any comments are welcome
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - hansebanger77 - 01-13-2014
Haha thats awesome! Myself I thinking a month ago why not build a nice 4 banger haha
Good idea with the manifold from the 606 :-) what gearbox do you use ?
Good luck to this I will follow that thread
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-15-2014
I made prop shaft from some w124 and Taunus parts. and installed the transmission with some homemade parts and an engine mount rubber. And installed the hydraulic clutch system from a W124 250D. Taunus has a wire operated clutch.
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The transmission is a 717.440 from a W124 95 E280 ambulance. Clutch is from same car, 240mm and 2 mass FW. I tried to install a 6 speed but it was to big, didn't want to cut the tunnel since the car has a very rust free and untouched body.
Then I installed some fuel lines and filter, a radiator(w124 250D) and it started right away
http://youtu.be/_iGMv7lzf2M
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - hansebanger77 - 01-15-2014
Wow you are working really fast it fit nice and got it to runn. It's always good to have some parts at home that can be modyfight to fit on some project gods luck to the pipework:-)
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - JB3 - 01-15-2014
can we have some more overall pics of the taurus?
strange to me, as the ford taurus in the US was a much bigger FWD sedan from the late 80s to late 90s, fascinating to see the differences.
That 77 taurus looks like an old toyota to me. Pretty darn cool
another excellent job, I see its already the same green color as the van!
Is it the same paint code? years are close enough
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Duncansport - 01-15-2014
(01-15-2014, 01:14 PM)JB3 can we have some more overall pics of the taurus?
strange to me, as the ford taurus in the US was a much bigger FWD sedan from the late 80s to late 90s, fascinating to see the differences.
That 77 taurus looks like an old toyota to me. Pretty darn cool
another excellent job, I see its already the same green color as the van!
It's a TauNus he is working on.. Diffrent then the TauRus :-)[/u][/b]
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - JB3 - 01-15-2014
(01-15-2014, 02:31 PM)Duncansport(01-15-2014, 01:14 PM)JB3 can we have some more overall pics of the taurus?
strange to me, as the ford taurus in the US was a much bigger FWD sedan from the late 80s to late 90s, fascinating to see the differences.
That 77 taurus looks like an old toyota to me. Pretty darn cool
another excellent job, I see its already the same green color as the van!
It's a TauNus he is working on.. Diffrent then the TauRus :-)[/u][/b]
lol, you are right I see.
Oh well, still want more pics!
Taunus, Taurus, they look so close!
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-15-2014
Hansebanger, I am not that fast, the job between post1 and 2 took me about 2 weeks. The pipework is going to be so so. I have a lot of room for the manifold and turbo, but 3 inch all the way back will be difficult
Waiting for a HX35 that is on its way from over there before I will start.J3B, there are some more photos here: http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/erling66/library/Taunus%2077%20green
Ford Germany made the Taunus in 3 different version from 70 until 82. They are light weight ca 1000kg and very easy to work on. They were one of the most popular cars for young guys in the 80's and I had many of them
I thought that the paint was the same as the Van but the van is more orange. This summer I was able to get the original paint for both cars
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - mantahead - 01-15-2014
hi,
nice project, never saw one of these cars before.
it looks like a 2 door version of the ford cortina that we got over here.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Gearbound - 01-16-2014
om604?! damn that would be awesome in a hilux or tacoma
that ford almost looks like a escort. whats with the green fords there? seen a superturbodiesel van on here in green too haha
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - HaavardPYA - 01-16-2014
Taunus and Cortina is the same car with different names
Germany/England
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - F.R.A.S - 01-17-2014
Nice project man. But a heads up. The 601-turbo engine is from a Vito bus, right. That's a good alda on those, but the 6mm elements are no normal 6mm, they can only deliver 80-85cc of fuel. Sorry to drop that bomb on you... Great pumps otherwise with high RS-number and so on.
I made the same mistake myself, so did a 8mm swap to get some power
Good luck with the build! Cool cars those old Euro-Fords.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-18-2014
(01-17-2014, 05:43 PM)F.R.A.S The 601-turbo engine is from a Vito bus, right. That's a good alda on those, but the 6mm elements are no normal 6mm, they can only deliver 80-85cc of fuel.
Thank you for advice
Pump is from Vito, Yes I suspected that the pump would not give so much fuel A Vito with a 601 is not exactly a race carBut it will stay there until I have a turbo that gives me more air than fuel. When that happens, a pump will probably be on its way to PP for 8.5mm elements
Some update. Fitted a belt, had to put a free wheel where the PS pump was. Installed an universal glow plug relay. Connected the stock gas wire to the pump. Made a mechanical stopping device connected to the stop handle on the pump(great to have if the pump does not return to idle) and installed the battery under the back seat, was able to put the + cable inside the subframe.
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-25-2014
I have started to build the manifold. Still no turbo in the mail so I have to wait before I go any further.
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 02-23-2014
I got the turbo and also bought a smaller compressor house and wheel, but unfortunately it will not fit
the turbo has a 78mm OD wheel and the other wheel is 83mm OD so it will not fit the backing plate. I can machine the backing plate to make it fit, but then the stock wheel will not fit if I feel that I need the extra air flow from the bigger wheel![[Image: P2210003_zps1b7f57d6.jpg]](http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/erling66/media/Taunus%2077%20green/P2210003_zps1b7f57d6.jpg.html)
So I have made some progress on my manifold. Now I need a T3 flange to finish it
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Alcaid - 02-24-2014
78/50mm wheel you need?
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 02-26-2014
WOW that is one nice looking wheel
I will send you a PM in Norwegian
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Alcaid - 02-26-2014
Regarding T3 flange, I can really recommend this one from a Norwegian supplier:
http://hansenmotorsport.no/product.php?id_product=105
M10 threaded holes so ready for studs
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - GeorgeHasmanda - 03-13-2014
Hello,cool project
I have Om604 with OM601 injection pump too.How you adjustment your pump? I have timming 15 degrees ATDC.Start is no problem,but engine have hard idle and white smoke.Pump is stock from W124 200D 55kw.My OM604 have 70kw with Lucas pump.I tried adjustment pump but now ist ok,but running not perfect.Where is problem?
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 03-15-2014
I have got some more work done to my manifold. And I found a 12cm2 house for the turbo that I will use. Next now will be oil lines in and out of turbo. Does anyone know how many degrees I can tilt the turbo center house? I think I read 20 degrees somewhere?
And what about oil line restrictor? is 2mm about the right size?
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George: I don't know for sure. Maybe best to take a video and make a tread in the engine section. Hopefully someone can help you there
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - mantahead - 03-15-2014
i think you can go to 30 degrees, although straighter would be better, oil return inside diameter 19mm, don't think you will need oil restrictor on diesel, i think holset say 72.5psi max oil pressure.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 03-23-2014
I modified my turbo, now I can have 6cm2 exhaust house on low revs and 12cm2 house on high revs
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - mantahead - 03-23-2014
nice one Erling, you gonna use waste gate actuator?
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Tito - 03-24-2014
Good to see someone trying that turbomod. I'm just curious how big the quick spool effect actually is.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - willbhere4u - 03-25-2014
keep up the good work! Please take some videos when it running
Big turbo on a little engine
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - kristijan920 - 05-26-2014
What happend with project
?
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 11-07-2014
Did some work after a loooong summer holiday. The turbo is running now
Tube from Turbo to intake is temporary until I mount an intercooler, Just want to test without first.![[Image: 20141107_142357_zps92fe9ff1.jpg]](http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/erling66/media/Taunus%2077%20green/20141107_142357_zps92fe9ff1.jpg.html)
Started on a 3 inch downpipe today- Will be a testdrive when I have the exhaust mounted
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 11-10-2014
Had the first test drive today
It runs ok with 7psi boost but I need much more fuelhttp://youtu.be/Qc3r-2JCzqs
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 12-25-2014
Finished the exhaust today. 3" all the way until the muffler which is 2,75". Will hopefully not be too load
Now I will try to see if I can fit a Bosch VE pump that can deliver enough fuel. An inline pump with big elements is off course better but a self build VE pump will be much cheaper and much more fun if I can make it work
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - DiseaselWeasel - 12-25-2014
I love the fact that you could tell people you'r runing a straight eight!
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-20-2015
As you all know OM604 has a crappy Lucas electronic rotor pump so I installed a Bosch M mechanical inline pump. But it did not give enough fuel for my HX35 so I could send the pump to a shop for bigger elements or do what EDH performance suggested, install a Bosch VE mechanical pump. So I decided to listen to Daniel and try to install one even when I have never seen it done to a OM604 before. Today it started with the VE pump
and it looks like it can provide some fuelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFX4tcujVqA&feature=youtu.be
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Alcaid - 01-20-2015
Nice work Erling! What's done to the pump now? Piston size etc
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-21-2015
The pump is mostly stock, it has 11mm piston. I just modified it so the governor will not cut fuel on high rpm.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - sorin_cel - 01-21-2015
sounds like a VW now.
also it is a video on youtube with a om604 running with a VE pump. may i ask if the VE pump rotor shaft, fitted straight to the original om604 sprocket?
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Edian727 - 01-21-2015
looks like a vw pump? i am also curious how you mounted the VE. If you dont know cummins used a VE on their 4bt witch had a 12mm plunger and 11mm heads. this is for a 3.9l 4 cyl. with 2500 rev limiter but you can throw that vw governor on it for the rpm's.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-22-2015
(01-21-2015, 04:35 PM)sorin_cel sounds like a VW now.
may i ask if the VE pump rotor shaft, fitted straight to the original om604 sprocket?
Can you post the lingk to the youtube video? do you know if it is bosch pump?
You can not use the 604 sprocket, you need the 2.9L adapter and sprocket
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Petar - 01-22-2015
(01-22-2015, 04:46 AM)erling66(01-21-2015, 04:35 PM)sorin_cel sounds like a VW now.
may i ask if the VE pump rotor shaft, fitted straight to the original om604 sprocket?
Can you post the lingk to the youtube video? do you know if it is bosch pump?
You can not use the 604 sprocket, you need the 2.9L adapter and sprocket
http://youtu.be/r5VQ_LWd4gw
http://youtu.be/ueEul9a2Kz8
Probably this
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-24-2015
Pump is ready for test drive
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RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Ksteen2 - 01-27-2015
cool car, awesome work you have done to it!
would like to see that in real life
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - sorin_cel - 01-29-2015
exactly Petar.those are the links.
thanks for information erling.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 01-31-2015
(01-27-2015, 07:22 PM)Ksteen2 cool car, awesome work you have done to it!
would like to see that in real life
Thanks kent, come for a visit when you are in the area
Had a short test drive today in the snow. A few things work fine with the new pump(Bosch VE), easy to start, nice idle, but the injectors make more noise on low revs(disappear around 2000rpm)than M pump. don't know why
and on higher revs there are no power
I suspect the pump does not get enough fuel so I will try to install a meter to see.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Ksteen2 - 02-04-2015
Yeah, I will do, maybe I take my 606 powerd Volvo 945 down
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - erling66 - 04-14-2015
Tested the car again today. Much more power now
and it even makes boost in neutral as you can see in the video(exhaust pressure on left) Not bad for a HX35 on a OM604 But the injector noise is quite bad on low revs(disappear on higher revs) Anyone knows how to solve that problem?
https://youtu.be/S_sGm0cyU3w
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - rolfts - 04-14-2015
(04-14-2015, 06:47 AM)erling66 Hej, you Need a dynamic advance device on your VE. Located on the botom right of your pump there should be a hardline going to it Comming from the top front aposed to your fuel in line.
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - iDiesel - 08-14-2018
Old topic,but can you tell me,from what you took the ve-pump?I was thinking about golf mk2 turbo ve pump,but the shaft is smaller..
RE: OM604 Turbo into a Ford Taunus - Fishman - 08-15-2018
(08-14-2018, 04:54 PM)iDiesel Old topic,but can you tell me,from what you took the ve-pump?I was thinking about golf mk2 turbo ve pump,but the shaft is smaller..
LandRover TDI has big shaft.