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Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-19-2014
1987 190d benz that has a 5 speed manual. they want $2000 and no idea on mileage or what does work
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Im curious if the transmission will bolt up to a om606?
After some research, the 602 flywheel on the 606 fits and the trans should bolt up.
Next question---
What trans should be in this w201 and has anyone put a 500hp 606 on one?
What i hope to make of a 190 some day
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RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - raysorenson - 01-19-2014
You'll save a lot of time and $$$ if you just go out and buy a 16v and ruin it with a 606. The clutch will need to be sorted, the ring and pinion will be too short and the LSD carrier won't work with the taller gears, the driveshaft flex discs will cause problems.
AFAIK, there are only 2 5speed trannies that are worth a crap. The one from the 16v (414?) with no overdrive and the one from the 300e that Duncansport is using.
An I6 is tight in a W124, severely limiting A/A intercooler options if you want to keep AC. They're tighter in the W201 chassis, as in no belt driven fan.
My advice: The 201 is great with lots of aftermarket chassis tuning support but you would be wise to stick to an I5, especially if you want to DD it. If your heart is set on a big I6, the W124 is going to be lightest chassis that the I6 will readily fit into. The R129 is a short W124 but they somehow made it heavy as hell.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - OM616 - 01-19-2014
(01-19-2014, 05:11 AM)Gearbound http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w578/agrantz629/krmb-01_zps82ab2ed4.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Where can I find those heater controls??
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-19-2014
well thats rain on my parade. we dont get the om605 here either so i dont know of a monster diesel that would fit.
Id be fine with electric fans, no a/c and water to air intercooler but if the exsisting trans is already crap and the next avalable 16v option drivetrain is basically crap then i have to walk away from the w201 chassis.
just found it super sexy with amg package and the size/weight look fun too
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Mark_M - 01-19-2014
They look even better with the evo kit on
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RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - raysorenson - 01-19-2014
A 185mm 2.65 LSD carrier cost 850 new at the stealer. The rest of the 2.65 diff is readily available used. The driveshaft will need to be beefed up on a W124 too.
If you're prepared to make a few sacrifices, I say go with a W201, especially the 16v. They're light. The 16v also has a fast ratio steering gear.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-20-2014
Driveshafts are not problem to make but diffs and transmissions are something i cant make from scratch and dont see the money in a new one off part from stealer.
so the 16v has a close ratio 5 speed that is not and Over drive transmission? sounds like a poor match for highway traveling.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - raysorenson - 01-20-2014
Correct, no overdrive, close ratio. Bad for highway? I like mine. I usually set the cruise at 80mph/3000rpm. I imagine OD would make it a little quieter and get a little better MPG, but nothing major.
None of the TD's from '95 down had OD.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - swampmonkey - 01-20-2014
(01-20-2014, 08:50 AM)raysorenson None of the TD's from '95 down had OD.
no they didnt, but they did have a different ratio in the rearend 2.65 on both 300tdt w124 and 250td w201 if i am not misstaken...
regarding transmissions the 717.401 seems to hold up for quite a lot to.
717.401 is from 200/230e w123 with overdrive
717.404 is from 2.3 16v
717.450 is from 300e 24valve
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - raysorenson - 01-20-2014
Yes, 2.65 ratios on the 201 and w124, the na606 equipped 124 had a 2.87. To clarify, my comments about having no overdrive being fine for hwy driving assume a 2.65 ring and pinion with stock 201/124 tire diameter.
You could bolt a 3.07 ring gear to a 16v LSD carrier. 1st gear could end up worthless on a high power build with a gear that short, overdrive would be a must.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-20-2014
what are some other light cars like the 190 that could take a 606? Ill be flamed for this but how about BMW e36 or toyota Cressida with a AMG badge on it
any other chassis that come to mind?
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - willbhere4u - 01-21-2014
BMW e21 is way cooler than an e36 and cheaper
or e30?
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-21-2014
e30 and e21 are a bit rare and people are proud of them. Ill keep an eye out for them.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - raysorenson - 01-22-2014
I think a datsun Z car would be cool as long as there's enough hood clearance.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - willbhere4u - 01-22-2014
(01-22-2014, 09:59 AM)raysorenson I think a datsun Z car would be cool as long as there's enough hood clearance.
yep there is
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-22-2014
4 door so i can haul my mates around lol And who in the states is going to expect a 4 door to disappear in a cloud of soot
good ideas but the 1986-1992 supra is what i would put a 606 in thanks to the huge engine bay and strong drivetrain.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - willbhere4u - 01-23-2014
I am putting an om606 and 6spd manual into a w126 1987 300sdl S class It already has the om603 so its an easy swap. But the 1987 w124 300d has the same engine but smaller car
The om603 is basically the same engine 3.0 inline 6 with a single cam head also capable of decent power 300ish
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-23-2014
If I'm going to do extensive work and dump money into a hobby I'd rather have the mack daddy motor. i found a running e30 in nice condition with 5 speed 4doors for $1200
we'll see what happens
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - raysorenson - 01-23-2014
I like the E30's and I like 4 doors. Good call. E36's seem undervalued in the current market and probably are good swap candidates as well but you'll pay a little weight penalty over the E30.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-24-2014
went to look at it and found out why it was so cheap, no title and he bought it that way.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Duncansport - 01-24-2014
Conquest/Starion...
Ive built up one with the G54B up to 360HWP. I love the car but the engine and fuel injection is junk so you need to go stand alone to make any power. I would love to happen upon a non rusty one and stick my 605 in it.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-24-2014
standalones are becoming cheaper and simpler to use. I have a AEM EMS on my supra. (400whp) same motor and standalone, different turbo on a friends supra and it made 873whp) MegaSquirt has alot of options for the price and if you must have the baddest computer there is PROEFI,Haltech,Motec
Its great for trouble shooting
if installed correctly but yes a 605 is needed in a starion/conquest,tacoma,4runner,and all sorts of other cars
(01-24-2014, 09:18 AM)Duncansport Conquest/Starion...
Ive built up one with the G54B up to 360HWP. I love the car but the engine and fuel injection is junk so you need to go stand alone to make any power. I would love to happen upon a non rusty one and stick my 605 in it.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Duncansport - 01-24-2014
(01-24-2014, 01:22 PM)Gearbound standalones are becoming cheaper and simpler to use. I have a AEM EMS on my supra. (400whp) same motor and standalone, different turbo on a friends supra and it made 873whp) MegaSquirt has alot of options for the price and if you must have the baddest computer there is PROEFI,Haltech,Motec
Its great for trouble shooting
but yes a 605 is needed in a starion/conquest,tacoma,4runner,and all sorts of other cars
(01-24-2014, 09:18 AM)Duncansport Conquest/Starion...
Ive built up one with the G54B up to 360HWP. I love the car but the engine and fuel injection is junk so you need to go stand alone to make any power. I would love to happen upon a non rusty one and stick my 605 in it.
I ran a TEC 2 Electromotive with good luck. Easy to tune and install.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 01-24-2014
360whp is pretty impressive for that motor
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 02-03-2014
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another idea. Is300 loads of room for the 2jzge. already has electric puller fans and room for IC infront.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - F.R.A.S - 02-03-2014
If you buy a BMW you have a lot of things for free. Solid gearboxes and diffs. But it has to be e36 328 or 325tds to have the bullet proof stuff already bolted on. Then you just re-weld the bell housing on the gearbox and mount the om606. Good room for IC and they are made for straight sixes to start with.
Fun well balanced car that will make you smile for a long time. And yea, BMW has 240mm clutches readily available so all you need is a solid flywheel and a nice pressure plate (Sachs 765) and you're good to go.
Yea, the M3 is also a good contender but a lot more expensive. The 328 cost nothing. Another good thing is that you can sell crank and some other engine parts for some good money. The 2.8 crank will make 2.8-liter, the tds-crank will give 2.7-liters in all m20 or m50 engines. Yes, everything fits across on BMW
Here is our om605 car, a e36 316 Compakt
Old picture so now the car is more ready...
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 02-03-2014
The e36 fits a 606 pretty well then? We dont have 605 available in States.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - F.R.A.S - 02-04-2014
om606 will fit nicely in these cars, just throw the old wisco-fan out and put a couple of 12" electric in and your good to go.
The om605 is almost the exact length of the m51d25 engine in the 325tds, but the m50b20 ---> s54b32 is a bit longer, maybe an inch shorter than the om606, so there is no problem with room.
But as I said, only 328, 325tds and m3 has the bullet proof gearbox and diff (for cheap except of the m3). But if you find a 330d with the 6spd for cheap that's also super strong stuff, the 330i I don't know about...
The old getrag 260/280 will not cope with diesel torque.
(02-03-2014, 07:16 PM)Gearbound The e36 fits a 606 pretty well then? We dont have 605 available in States.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 02-04-2014
(02-04-2014, 02:35 AM)F.R.A.S om606 will fit nicely in these cars, just throw the old wisco-fan out and put a couple of 12" electric in and your good to go.
The om605 is almost the exact length of the m51d25 engine in the 325tds, but the m50b20 ---> s54b32 is a bit longer, maybe an inch shorter than the om606, so there is no problem with room.
But as I said, only 328, 325tds and m3 has the bullet proof gearbox and diff (for cheap except of the m3). But if you find a 330d with the 6spd for cheap that's also super strong stuff, the 330i I don't know about...
The old getrag 260/280 will not cope with diesel torque.
(02-03-2014, 07:16 PM)Gearbound The e36 fits a 606 pretty well then? We dont have 605 available in States.
325i are still $7000 around here. and 5 speed or manual bmw are way expensive. ill keep looking.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - F.R.A.S - 02-04-2014
Ooops... But the 328 must be less expensive. Over here they cost $1500-3000
I can buy one for you and ship
No commission, I'll just keep the engine. Advantage is a lighter shipping weight http://www.blocket.se/helsingborg/Bmw_328_51923386.htm?ca=21&w=2
http://www.blocket.se/landskrona/Bmw_328_51373493.htm?ca=21&w=2
http://www.blocket.se/kalmar/Bmw_328_51412335.htm?ca=21&w=2
And an e46
http://www.blocket.se/halland/Bmw_328i_E46_Ev_byte_51893910.htm?ca=21&w=2
(02-04-2014, 04:43 AM)Gearbound 325i are still $7000 around here. and 5 speed or manual bmw are way expensive. ill keep looking.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 02-04-2014
(02-04-2014, 11:58 AM)F.R.A.S Ooops... But the 328 must be less expensive. Over here they cost $1500-3000
I can buy one for you and ship
http://www.blocket.se/helsingborg/Bmw_328_51923386.htm?ca=21&w=2
http://www.blocket.se/landskrona/Bmw_328_51373493.htm?ca=21&w=2
http://www.blocket.se/kalmar/Bmw_328_51412335.htm?ca=21&w=2
And an e46
http://www.blocket.se/halland/Bmw_328i_E46_Ev_byte_51893910.htm?ca=21&w=2
(02-04-2014, 04:43 AM)Gearbound 325i are still $7000 around here. and 5 speed or manual bmw are way expensive. ill keep looking.
HAHA! I love the wagons. but all of the paper work and money ship it cant be any cheaper. If i did id ask if you could leave spare parts in it (om606 should fit in the trunk
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Eric78 - 02-05-2014
(01-19-2014, 11:40 AM)raysorenson My advice: The 201 is great with lots of aftermarket chassis tuning support but you would be wise to stick to an I5, especially if you want to DD it. If your heart is set on a big I6, the W124 is going to be lightest chassis that the I6 will readily fit into.How much bigger(outside dimensions) than an M103 is the OM606? because the M103 was a factory engine option in the W201
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - F.R.A.S - 02-05-2014
Have to help an fellow dieselhead out here
There are ways to import for cheap. Will not write it out but with some imagination you can figure it out! I'll stuff the car with what ever you need as long as it's legal
And we'll coordinate this so your newly purchased Dieselmeken 8mm IP and one of our exhaust manifolds will come along in the shipping... See, soon the shipping of the car is for free, ha, ha...(02-04-2014, 07:30 PM)Gearbound HAHA! I love the wagons. but all of the paper work and money ship it cant be any cheaper. If i did id ask if you could leave spare parts in it (om606 should fit in the trunk
Yea, that's right, the 2.6 is an inline six in the old w201.
(02-05-2014, 03:04 AM)Eric78 How much bigger(outside dimensions) than an M103 is the OM606? because the M103 was a factory engine option in the W201
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Eric78 - 02-05-2014
(02-05-2014, 03:35 AM)F.R.A.S Yea, that's right, the 2.6 is an inline six in the old w201.Some AMG & Brabus specials had 3.0 & 3.6litre straight sixes in them.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - F.R.A.S - 02-05-2014
Forgot about those bad boys
Looks the same size as the om606.
Here is the m103 2.6-liter (190 2.6) Lots of room for a turbo build
(02-05-2014, 04:02 AM)Eric78 Some AMG & Brabus specials had 3.0 & 3.6litre straight sixes in them.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 02-05-2014
(02-05-2014, 11:15 AM)F.R.A.S Forgot about those bad boys
Looks the same size as the om606.
Here is the m103 2.6-liter (190 2.6) Lots of room for a turbo build
(02-05-2014, 04:02 AM)Eric78 Some AMG & Brabus specials had 3.0 & 3.6litre straight sixes in them.
You mean Turbo(S)
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Eric78 - 02-06-2014
(02-05-2014, 10:52 PM)GearboundNah, the turbos were someone else & that was an aftermarket kit.(02-05-2014, 11:15 AM)F.R.A.S Forgot about those bad boys
Looks the same size as the om606.
Here is the m103 2.6-liter (190 2.6) Lots of room for a turbo build
(02-05-2014, 04:02 AM)Eric78 Some AMG & Brabus specials had 3.0 & 3.6litre straight sixes in them.
You mean Turbo(S)
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w201-190-class/1522800-190e-3-6-brabus.html
Apparently AMG & Brabus did 3.6 litre versions, Renntech did a 3.4.
RE: Found a w201 2.5 diesel but it needs a om606 - Gearbound - 03-18-2014
any build threads of this?!
190d with om606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3DOqALSp8