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Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - lgreeley83 - 02-06-2014
I'm asking for input from you turbo genius guys. I have a Dieselmeken 6mm pump on my 617.
I have the stock garret modified for 60 trim. I need to upgrade as I have nowhere near the air I need.
Talked to the same shop known for doing the 60 trim mod, and we are considering taking same turbo further. Throw a different compressor housing on it and doing a super 70 compressor wheel. Says boost could likely be safe at 30psi. I will admit I am not to well versed in these things.
Hot side would be the same so spool would be good I think. I'll have to check measurements to make sure housing will still clear intake manifold.
What do you think?
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - Duncansport - 02-06-2014
(02-06-2014, 02:56 PM)lgreeley83 I'm asking for input from you turbo genius guys. I have a Dieselmeken 6mm pump on my 617.
I have the stock garret modified for 60 trim. I need to upgrade as I have nowhere near the air I need.
Talked to the same shop known for doing the 60 trim mod, and we are considering taking same turbo further. Throw a different compressor housing on it and doing a super 70 compressor wheel. Says boost could likely be safe at 30psi. I will admit I am not to well versed in these things.
Hot side would be the same so spool would be good I think. I'll have to check measurements to make sure housing will still clear intake manifold.
What do you think?
Leaving the hot side would cause issues with back pressure at higher RPMs. I would recommend the HY35 route.
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - lgreeley83 - 02-06-2014
(02-06-2014, 03:04 PM)Duncansport Leaving the hot side would cause issues with back pressure at higher RPMs. I would recommend the HY35 route.
Hmmm... Don't want floating valves right. What if I said I never attempt to turn 5k rpms?
Also I've read hx30 is good? No hx35 though.
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - Duncansport - 02-06-2014
(02-06-2014, 03:23 PM)lgreeley83(02-06-2014, 03:04 PM)Duncansport Leaving the hot side would cause issues with back pressure at higher RPMs. I would recommend the HY35 route.
Hmmm... Don't want floating valves right. What if I said I never attempt to turn 5k rpms?
Also I've read hx30 is good? No hx35 though.
Well Hy35's and HX30's can be found for cheap. Makes more sense then messing with your current turbo as it's turbine is really old technology.
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - raysorenson - 02-06-2014
There are lots of Chx30's out there. Chinese hx30 clones that are very cheap.
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - lgreeley83 - 02-06-2014
(02-06-2014, 05:07 PM)raysorenson There are lots of Chx30's out there. Chinese hx30 clones that are very cheap.
Are they worthy though? How well do they hold up?
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - Simpler=Better - 02-06-2014
(02-06-2014, 07:29 PM)lgreeley83(02-06-2014, 05:07 PM)raysorenson There are lots of Chx30's out there. Chinese hx30 clones that are very cheap.
Are they worthy though? How well do they hold up?
rumor has it that if you bu a chinnese clone, then have a turbo shop balance it, it will last a good while.
I want to say I've heard of real hx30s going for like 200ish from dodge guys upgrading
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - lgreeley83 - 02-07-2014
I been looking for an hx30 just haven't found one yet. Haven't looked really hard though.
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - Duncansport - 02-07-2014
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUMMINS-HX30W-TURBO-CHARGER-REMAN-/400570210543?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d43d858ef&vxp=mtr
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - lgreeley83 - 02-07-2014
I was looking at that same one this morning :-). The only thing I worry about and maybe wrongly so is how they rebuilt it. Maybe they didn't put a 360 degree thrust bearing in it? Maybe that is an easy swap? Would there be a need to rebalance if I swap that? Is a 360 bearing even necessary?
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - MFSuper90 - 02-07-2014
Borg Warner charger would be sweet. One in between a hx30 and hx35 would make for decent spool and power. Or maybe the "super" hx30?
I'd look for a charger with about a 50mm inducer. Any bigger it will be pretty laggy, in my opinion. Borg Warner has the best flowing compressor wheel, because they have the extended top technology
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - Duncansport - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 09:41 AM)lgreeley83 I was looking at that same one this morning :-). The only thing I worry about and maybe wrongly so is how they rebuilt it. Maybe they didn't put a 360 degree thrust bearing in it? Maybe that is an easy swap? Would there be a need to rebalance if I swap that? Is a 360 bearing even necessary?
I wouldn't go to crazy in the worry department. This turbo will be operating in it's "normal" range while making a lot of power ( for a 617 ).
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - mike-81-240d - 02-07-2014
I'd go hy35
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - lgreeley83 - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 07:36 PM)mike-81-240d I'd go hy35
I read hx30 spools faster?
I like the forward facing compressor outlet on the Hy35 but how do you clock the housing when the wastegate actuator fitting (whatever its called, where the actuator mounts) is cast into the compressor housing?
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - mike-81-240d - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 07:51 PM)lgreeley83(02-07-2014, 07:36 PM)mike-81-240d I'd go hy35
I read hx30 spools faster?
I like the forward facing compressor outlet on the Hy35 but how do you clock the housing when the wastegate actuator fitting (whatever its called, where the actuator mounts) is cast into the compressor housing?
No doubt the hx30 spools quicker.
I'm personally still on a oem K26 turbo for now. Planning on doing a modded IP, hy35, W115 intake manifold, egt gauge, a/a intercooler, mechanical fan delete, and maybe a little shot of nitrous to spool the turbo quicker. Currently tackling the IP though... baby steps
Here's a 9cm hy35 on a 617..
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-Jesse-s-hy35-powered-w116
RE: Taking the little 617 turbo to the max...maybe - yankneck696 - 02-08-2014
HY35s are a dime a dozen. I have about 300 HP with the Quadzilla on 7 with my 2001 Dodge Cummins. 239,000 miles on he origional turbo & still sings away. Same rebuild kit as the HX35. Most Dodge guys will probably give it to you, because it has no real performance value in our world.
Ed