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WTB HX30 turbo - Austincarnut - 03-09-2014
I need a HX30 for a project, any info would be appreciated
-tons on benz parts for trade!
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - lgreeley83 - 03-09-2014
Me too. Take care of Austin first
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - MFSuper90 - 03-10-2014
Hopefully Alcaid will chime in. I literally just posted in another thread that he has some awesome deals on holset chargers.
And, remember that not all hx30s are the same, so make sure you get what you want. Alcaid can elaborate more than I can, but I think a viable option also for you guys is a he221.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - raysorenson - 03-10-2014
For the money, I'd jump all over a cHX30W in a heartbeat.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-12-2014
HX30W, 6cm turbine housing, 73/44mm compressor, 33-34lbs/min: 625USD (shipping and PayPal fees included)
HX30W Super, 6cm turbine housing, 78/46mm compressor, 38-39lbs/min: 750USD (shipping and PayPal fees included)
Both are brand new and genuine Holset turbochargers, drop shipped directly from Holset factory.
Can also get the HX30W, 6cm turbine housing, 69/40mm, 27.8lbs/min (non-ported shroud comp housing) version, probably around 625USD for that one as well but will check, maybe a few bucks less.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-13-2014
This HX30W version is not for the faint-hearted:
- 78/50mm billet compressor version, built by me
- Will be used with a 12cm twin scroll turbine housing lit up with a 5cm HE200WG HP turbo in a sequential compound setup
![[Image: DSC_0220_zps9d38852d.jpg]](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/Alcaid/DSC_0220_zps9d38852d.jpg)
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - MFSuper90 - 03-13-2014
Alcaid, would you recommend a he221 over a hx30?
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-14-2014
(03-13-2014, 01:00 PM)MFSuper90 Alcaid, would you recommend a he221 over a hx30?
Depends on what application and what the goals are
HE221W has better transient response as the rotating assembly is much lighter, it flows up to 37.8lbs/min and has a very good surge margin but compressor efficiency is low.
HX30W has much better compressor efficiency but is a lot more mass to spool.
On a 1.6-2.0 liter engine, I would go HE221W
2.5 and bigger, HX30W, 40, 42, 44 or 46mm (Super) inducer versions depending on how much hp is needed.
If ultra fast spool and response is what one is after and 25-30lbs/min is enough air, HE211W 5cm is a winner!
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - winmutt - 03-14-2014
Plenty of HX30W on ebay and 4btswaps.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-14-2014
(03-14-2014, 08:40 AM)winmutt Plenty of HX30W on ebay and 4btswaps.
Oh really? Loads of Chinese knockoffs on ebay (CXRacing etc.), easy to spot that they are fake. And I've had several 4btswaps members contacting me since they have not been able to find any HX30W at a decent price (550-700USD for a remanufactured unit is not a decent price when you get brand new one for the same price...)
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - winmutt - 03-14-2014
Well I guess its tax return season. They come up, just keep an eye out. I am probably going to be getting rid of mine but not any time in the immediate future. I'll keep an eye out.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - MFSuper90 - 03-14-2014
(03-14-2014, 04:04 AM)Alcaid(03-13-2014, 01:00 PM)MFSuper90 Alcaid, would you recommend a he221 over a hx30?
Depends on what application and what the goals are
HE221W has better transient response as the rotating assembly is much lighter, it flows up to 37.8lbs/min and has a very good surge margin but compressor efficiency is low.
HX30W has much better compressor efficiency but is a lot more mass to spool.
On a 1.6-2.0 liter engine, I would go HE221W
2.5 and bigger, HX30W, 40, 42, 44 or 46mm (Super) inducer versions depending on how much hp is needed.
If ultra fast spool and response is what one is after and 25-30lbs/min is enough air, HE211W 5cm is a winner!
If you were looking for about 180-200hp out of a 3.0L om617, would a he221 be better I assume because of the faster spool and you wouldn't need high boost? (om617 will bend rods anyways at high boost)
I have a hx30 on my om617, and while it spools decent, I can tell that I am not even close to fully using it to its full potential.
Thanks for all the help! If I could go back before I bought and rebuilt my hx30 I would have bought one from you.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-14-2014
(03-14-2014, 11:54 AM)MFSuper90(03-14-2014, 04:04 AM)Alcaid(03-13-2014, 01:00 PM)MFSuper90 Alcaid, would you recommend a he221 over a hx30?
Depends on what application and what the goals are
HE221W has better transient response as the rotating assembly is much lighter, it flows up to 37.8lbs/min and has a very good surge margin but compressor efficiency is low.
HX30W has much better compressor efficiency but is a lot more mass to spool.
On a 1.6-2.0 liter engine, I would go HE221W
2.5 and bigger, HX30W, 40, 42, 44 or 46mm (Super) inducer versions depending on how much hp is needed.
If ultra fast spool and response is what one is after and 25-30lbs/min is enough air, HE211W 5cm is a winner!
If you were looking for about 180-200hp out of a 3.0L om617, would a he221 be better I assume because of the faster spool and you wouldn't need high boost? (om617 will bend rods anyways at high boost)
I have a hx30 on my om617, and while it spools decent, I can tell that I am not even close to fully using it to its full potential.
Thanks for all the help! If I could go back before I bought and rebuilt my hx30 I would have bought one from you.
With an OM617 I would go for a HX30W Super
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Austincarnut - 03-24-2014
Is that a stock pump and how much fuel is it delivering?
(03-14-2014, 11:54 AM)MFSuper90(03-14-2014, 04:04 AM)Alcaid(03-13-2014, 01:00 PM)MFSuper90 Alcaid, would you recommend a he221 over a hx30?
Depends on what application and what the goals are
HE221W has better transient response as the rotating assembly is much lighter, it flows up to 37.8lbs/min and has a very good surge margin but compressor efficiency is low.
HX30W has much better compressor efficiency but is a lot more mass to spool.
On a 1.6-2.0 liter engine, I would go HE221W
2.5 and bigger, HX30W, 40, 42, 44 or 46mm (Super) inducer versions depending on how much hp is needed.
If ultra fast spool and response is what one is after and 25-30lbs/min is enough air, HE211W 5cm is a winner!
If you were looking for about 180-200hp out of a 3.0L om617, would a he221 be better I assume because of the faster spool and you wouldn't need high boost? (om617 will bend rods anyways at high boost)
I have a hx30 on my om617, and while it spools decent, I can tell that I am not even close to fully using it to its full potential.
Thanks for all the help! If I could go back before I bought and rebuilt my hx30 I would have bought one from you.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 02-03-2015
(03-14-2014, 04:04 AM)Alcaid(03-13-2014, 01:00 PM)MFSuper90 Alcaid, would you recommend a he221 over a hx30?
Depends on what application and what the goals are
HE221W has better transient response as the rotating assembly is much lighter, it flows up to 37.8lbs/min and has a very good surge margin but compressor efficiency is low.
HX30W has much better compressor efficiency but is a lot more mass to spool.
On a 1.6-2.0 liter engine, I would go HE221W
2.5 and bigger, HX30W, 40, 42, 44 or 46mm (Super) inducer versions depending on how much hp is needed.
If ultra fast spool and response is what one is after and 25-30lbs/min is enough air, HE211W 5cm is a winner!
How does HE211W compare to KKK K26 in terms of maximum lbs/min? My K26 needs a rebuild so I am thinking of building a new manifold and putting a more modern turbo on there, but no pump just yet.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 02-03-2015
Compared to what K26? Comp map of this K26 available to compare with?
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 02-03-2015
k26 turbo code from a USA om617.952 1985 mercedes 300tdt: 53269706032
OEM turbo code is apparently 0020967599
Above info from here: http://www.turbo-product.com/KKK/K26.ASP
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 02-03-2015
Stock OM617 compressor map - Max 0.195kg/s = 25.8lbs/min
Holset HE211W - Max 31.6lbs/min
![[Image: HolsetHE211CompressorMap.jpg]](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/Alcaid/Jetta/HolsetHE211CompressorMap.jpg)
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 02-04-2015
Interesting. Im thinking the 211w is the way to go for a nice stop and go traffic experience. I doubt I will want to run more than 200hp anyway even with a new pump. I just want it to spool instantly.
Later if I get bored I can put more fuel in and a hx30 super or whatever.
Where is that guy with the precut manifold flanges? Gonna have to weld a new one up with the right turbo flange. T25?
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 02-04-2015
Precut manifold flanges - F Tune Performance: http://www.facebook.com/FtunePerformance
Yes, these are T25 flange
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 03-15-2015
(03-13-2014, 02:15 AM)Alcaid This HX30W version is not for the faint-hearted:
- 78/50mm billet compressor version, built by me
- Will be used with a 12cm twin scroll turbine housing lit up with a 5cm HE200WG HP turbo in a sequential compound setup
This interests me. Did you ever do it? What was the motor?
I am figuring out how to make this work with my micro 5cm he200wg. I'm thinking he341ve for the big one. That exhaust shuts down to 4cm or something at the small end. Should spool OK given led-panzer's experience with the single wastegated 341 on a 6mm pump spooling at around 2400rpm.
It seems like the big turbo has to be able to spool using the non-compounded output of the small one, including whatever is dumping through the wastegate. Then the cycle of compounding starts.
Thanks for any thoughts,
ATG
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Joystick - 03-15-2015
Got an HY30 from cummins diesel in Norway if thats cool. Seems good. PM if interest.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 03-15-2015
Austincarnut may want it. That turbo is too small for a big turbo in a compound setup. I think hx35 is as small as one could go. Big turbo compressor has to flow twice the volume of the small one (or more).
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-16-2015
(03-15-2015, 10:36 AM)atypicalguy This interests me. Did you ever do it? What was the motor?
VW 1.6TD with a bunch of upgrades...
Sold the HX30W-12cm 78/50mm 7-blade turbo to an OM606 build and built myself a new one: HX30W-12cm 73/50mm 11-blade extended tip GTX style compressor wheel. Currently sitting on top of a HE200WG-5cm in my trackday car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQsRXB692w
![[Image: FullSizeRender%204_zpscsqii90x.jpg]](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/Alcaid/Jetta/FullSizeRender%204_zpscsqii90x.jpg)
![[Image: 9A4337EC-C338-4805-9BA8-34B7773F3DE2_zpseiae7lrh.jpg]](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/Alcaid/Jetta/9A4337EC-C338-4805-9BA8-34B7773F3DE2_zpseiae7lrh.jpg)
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 03-16-2015
How much boost does the big turbo make in that setup?
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-16-2015
(03-16-2015, 09:03 AM)atypicalguy How much boost does the big turbo make in that setup?
Only fired up, still got some work to do to get it out on the road. Will start with 16-17 psi per stage, giving 50 psi total boost
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 03-16-2015
Congratulations on getting it built and running. That is a major accomplishment.
Seems like the big one should flow twice the volume of the small one if the boost is split evenly. Can the hx30 manage that?
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - Alcaid - 03-16-2015
Compressor matching is one thing, turbine matching is another and even more important factor. I am where I want to be in both compressor maps and turbine maps with the planned setup
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 03-16-2015
Why do the compressors have to match? As long as there is a wastegate in the small one and exhaust goes thru it first, shouldnt the wastegate be able to blow enough exhaust thru the wastegate to get the big turbo spooled up? I realize that if the big compressor is too huge, it could be a problem. But i am counting on the wastegate to compensate for the small turbine housing on the small turbo.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 03-16-2015
Of course the best compressor matching would be with two vgts. Since the Dutch wont let the 200vg go yet we will have to make due with the 200wg and the 341ve.
RE: WTB HX30 turbo - atypicalguy - 08-31-2019
(03-16-2015, 07:35 AM)Alcaid(03-15-2015, 10:36 AM)atypicalguy This interests me. Did you ever do it? What was the motor?
VW 1.6TD with a bunch of upgrades...
Sold the HX30W-12cm 78/50mm 7-blade turbo to an OM606 build and built myself a new one: HX30W-12cm 73/50mm 11-blade extended tip GTX style compressor wheel. Currently sitting on top of a HE200WG-5cm in my trackday car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQsRXB692w
What ever happened with this car Alcaid? Were you happy with it?