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606 swap accomplished ! - krashappy - 07-25-2009
Heya Clan STD !
Its alive ! ! Ive put 3,000 miles down so far. The swap-over from the 603 happened and has proven itself. I made brief introduction some months back and explained what I was doing. search: "Newbie Hello" thread if interested.
Im getting 20mpg , and many things need to be dialed, the current manual VNT thread going on seems tasty - it might apply to my project. The final hurdle I faced on getting the 606 motor working was the Frankensteining of the 603 and 606 turbos (now pressure controlled 606 turbo-not electronic). Currently I do have a working motor but I cant say that it is efficient or even close to being finished, It seems everything but the bottom end is a stop-gap. I am at the point where I need to permanantly install an Intercooler in place of the junkyard Volvo 760 IC that I zip-tied to the Bullbar for the last trip. I have decided on 350 HP as my power goal.
Now whats the best way to get the most out of a 350HP 3 liter 24 valve mercedes motor for a heavy assed G-wagen?
Looking forward to some new ideas.
Its good to be back
K
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - ForcedInduction - 07-25-2009
The largest intercooler you can reasonably fit and a custom exhaust manifold with an HX35 or HY35 would be a good starting point, then a Myna pump.
What boost psi do you have it set at now?
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - tomnik - 07-25-2009
I'd start with fixing all other things like IP timing, boost, ALDA setting, filters, ... to start the hp-mods on a well running engine. 20 mpg i.e. shows that there are some issues.
Starting from the current situation might not show you the results of each single step of modification and you might end up not seeing the high hp.
Just my opinion.
Tom
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - ForcedInduction - 07-25-2009
(07-25-2009, 07:03 PM)tomnik Just my opinion.
Thats a very good point.
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - willbhere4u - 07-25-2009
g wagons are heavy!!! that might be good mileage in that 3 tons + !!!
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - krashappy - 07-25-2009
(07-25-2009, 06:28 PM)ForcedInduction The largest intercooler you can reasonably fit and a custom exhaust manifold with an HX35 or HY35 would be a good starting point, then a Myna pump.
What boost psi do you have it set at now?
I agree with the Intercooler size suggestion. The turbo I am running is the one that came with the 606 motor. I removed the vacuum controlled plunger and electronic intake manifold boost pressure sensor and replaced it with the pressure activated plunger from the 603 turbo. I tapped the body of the 606 turbo and installed the brass nipple which runs a hose to a plunger which activates the wastegate (taken from my 603 set-up), I have no idea what is the factory setting -9lbs maybe?.
I will be sending my pump to Mayna for the 350 HP mods.
Is deciding on a VNT over a turbo a colossus PITA? How might it be better?
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - ForcedInduction - 07-25-2009
Not at all. Control can be difficult but its not impossible to overcome. Since you're going to make your own manifold it would be very easy to use the flange of your choice.
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - krashappy - 07-26-2009
Has anybody other than you done a VNT on a MB diesel ? I like your manually controlled VNT idea but reading the thread makes little sense to me with my LTD experience.
what type or make VNT , what size? would work best in my situation? Where can I read up on it?
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - Motorhead - 07-27-2009
That 606 has the most potiential of the inlines, good job! I'm going to see what I can do with the 617 and if it is not enough engine than I will step up to a 60X, what chassis do you have it in (12X) ?
(07-25-2009, 05:03 PM)krashappy Heya Clan STD !
Its alive ! ! Ive put 3,000 miles down so far. The swap-over from the 603 happened and has proven itself. I made brief introduction some months back and explained what I was doing. search: "Newbie Hello" thread if interested.
Im getting 20mpg , and many things need to be dialed, the current manual VNT thread going on seems tasty - it might apply to my project. The final hurdle I faced on getting the 606 motor working was the Frankensteining of the 603 and 606 turbos (now pressure controlled 606 turbo-not electronic). Currently I do have a working motor but I cant say that it is efficient or even close to being finished, It seems everything but the bottom end is a stop-gap. I am at the point where I need to permanantly install an Intercooler in place of the junkyard Volvo 760 IC that I zip-tied to the Bullbar for the last trip. I have decided on 350 HP as my power goal.
Now whats the best way to get the most out of a 350HP 3 liter 24 valve mercedes motor for a heavy assed G-wagen?
Looking forward to some new ideas.
Its good to be back
K
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - Syncro_G - 07-28-2009
Hey Krash,
I assume you're the same guy who was in Tahoe last month. I missed the event but heard about your engine swap from Steve S.
In any case, 20 mpg should be good. that's better than the G300DT gets (606 in newer G-wagen) and is better than Jeff G gets in his OM603 powered G-wagen.
Good luck! the added power would be nice to have in the G.
-SG
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - krashappy - 07-29-2009
'Motorhead'
"That 606 has the most potiential of the inlines, good job! I'm going to see what I can do with the 617 and if it is not enough engine than I will step up to a 60X, what chassis do you have it in (12X) ?"
Its in a 463. Do you know of any European websites where I might find an already fabricated custom 606 exhaust manifold? Has anybody here ever dealt direct with Mayna?
Im looking for a similar turbo IP to use in the truck until Mayna can send mine back.
M pump - turbo, 5.5, anybody?
K
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - tomnik - 07-29-2009
(07-29-2009, 02:09 PM)krashappy Do you know of any European websites where I might find an already fabricated custom 606 exhaust manifold?
Im looking for a similar turbo IP to use in the truck until Mayna can send mine back.
M pump - turbo, 5.5, anybody?
K
try this one:
http://www.viermalvier.de/ubb_portal/ubbthreads.php/forums/4/1/Mercedes
what are the last 3 numbers of your IP?
0 400 076 XXX
Tom
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - 606Power - 07-30-2009
Good job
Do you have any photos or videos?
(07-29-2009, 02:53 PM)tomnik(07-29-2009, 02:09 PM)krashappy Do you know of any European websites where I might find an already fabricated custom 606 exhaust manifold?
Im looking for a similar turbo IP to use in the truck until Mayna can send mine back.
M pump - turbo, 5.5, anybody?
K
try this one:
http://www.viermalvier.de/ubb_portal/ubbthreads.php/forums/4/1/Mercedes
what are the last 3 numbers of your IP?
0 400 076 XXX
Tom
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - krashappy - 08-06-2009
(07-29-2009, 02:09 PM)krashappy Im looking for a similar turbo IP to use in the truck until Mayna can send mine back.
M pump - turbo, 5.5, anybody?
K
what are the last 3 numbers of your IP?
0 400 076 XXX
Tom
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The IP #'s are : 0 400 076 960
Right now retro-fitting an Intercooler into the bumper. This will look very factory plus one. I got onto that website Tom referred, its all in German,
I will take some pix and post here soon, Thanks to all here , the help is really speeding the process along.
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - tomnik - 08-07-2009
did you already send the IP to Myna?
What IP# did you send?
What kind of elements will they install? (the 7mm as usual or their new custom made?)
Do you need any of the electromagnetic things on the back of your IP?
Tom
RE: 606 swap accomplished ! - krashappy - 08-07-2009
I haven't yet sent the IP out, still searching for the temporary 0 400 076 960 replacement pump .