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starting issue - yota4life - 08-13-2014
I can't get this damn motor started for the life of me. It cranks over sounds like it wants to start then stops. New starter new battery. Its getting fuel. I have some white/blackish smoke coming from the stack. Glow plugs seem to be working cause that's the only time it has turned over where it wants to start. I'm running out of ideas any help is greatly appreciated. And its an om617
RE: starting issue - carlitosgy6 - 08-13-2014
The ip was disturbed? It sounds as an out of time ip, you need to pull out the ip, and fix it, this is exactly what tomnik told me to do,
the marks on the IP (missing tooth...) gives you begin of delivery of the IP.
This means you have to turn the engine to 24 deg before DTC (cyl. #1 in compression stroke, as you did correctly, but you set it to 0 deg).
This means now you are too late by 24 deg.
The IP has to go out again, the slots are only a few deg.
Later you do the fine adjustment with the drip method.
Rotating the IP in the slots towards the engine advances...
You are getting closer and closer.,
if you need more help scream
RE: starting issue - yota4life - 08-13-2014
I never took the IP off and doesnt seem to have been removed
RE: starting issue - Hario' - 08-14-2014
Loosen an injector line from an injector and check for flow when cranking, if no flow remove access cover on side of IP and check the rack can move back and forth freely. If its been stood it could be this, happened to me recently..
RE: starting issue - yota4life - 08-14-2014
Its getting flow I've cracked the lines on a few of the injectors and they're getting fuel. I'm gonna recheck my grounds today. Maybe the grounds arent as good as they should drawing to much and not allowing enough to the starter.
RE: starting issue - yota4life - 08-18-2014
Ok so traced the glow plug wires today and found this not connected to anything an not sure where it goes. It comes out of the harness right before the last glow plug
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RE: starting issue - cho - 08-19-2014
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maybe someone used a wire set from 6 cyl...test the glowplugs itself
so you are sure getting juice on them after key turned...
cheers
RE: starting issue - MFSuper90 - 08-19-2014
Lets start from the beginning.
So the pump has never come off the car. Timing "should" be correct. Assuming you transplanted this engine, did you bleed the system and make sure all the air is out?
Is the starter rolling it over pretty fast, or slowly?
Did you pull one or all the glowplugs to check and make sure they are working and look decent?
And I cant really tell from that picture what we are looking at in your hand, Is it a wire end or a bracket to hold the wire in place? Whatever it is it isn't on my 617
RE: starting issue - yota4life - 08-19-2014
Its the wire not the bracket. I put the motor in bled the air out of the fuel and IP hasn't been off. Starter is brand new and spins it over pretty fast and battery is brand new. I'm gonna pull the glow plug now
RE: starting issue - TurboTim - 08-19-2014
Spray carb cleaner or starting fluid and at least see if it will run off that. That will at least give us an idea of if the motor will run.
RE: starting issue - barrote - 08-20-2014
hello there,
fuel fire and air , thats engeniring basics for engines,
check starter, is powerfull enough,
check fuel at injectors , check for air leaks,
since is IDI would be very dificult to start without glow plugs, check them , wire them direct to batt , 2/3 min wont kill them , usually older engines like that have the conection in series , if one in the circuit is dead all the others are
check exaust while cranking, some kind of smell should come out.
good luck.
RE: starting issue - ecFSE - 08-20-2014
From the picture i doesnt look like the old loop glowplugs connected in series.
Looks like pencil type
Even if the wire is connected from one glowplug to the next they are all parallel to ground. One bad glowplug dont kill the rest.
Glowplugs get worse with time. They can glow poorly but still have correct resistance. If you test one new and one old but not broken with a battery you will see how much faster the new one glows. Couple of seconds is enough to see the differens.
RE: starting issue - Tito - 08-20-2014
(08-20-2014, 03:43 AM)barrote hello there,
fuel fire and air , thats engeniring basics for engines,
Fuel, air and ignition temperature are the basics.
Sounds like you don't have the ignition temperature, and a IDI engine are very hard to start without glow plugs like previously said.. My tractor and my 603 won't start (or very poorly) even at 25 degrees celcius. When starting my tractor for the first time I used a little burner in the intake to heat the air up.
RE: starting issue - barrote - 08-20-2014
starting spray , álcool in a spray bottle.
"fire meant Temperature of some kind"
but we got u´r point
i bet , air in the system