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getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 12-02-2015
hello,next mounth i il start the conversion from automatic to manual in my w124 300d turbo.
i will use 717.404 gearbox from a w201 2.3 16v single fly well...
can i use the rest of the parts from a w124 CE300 24v with getrag whith dual fly well? like selector,clutch and brake pedal ,drive shaft,etc...
what is the max nm for 717.404?
thanks for help
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - Druk - 12-02-2015
Is the gearbox you intend using the dog-leg Getrag box? The changer turret for the 'normal' gearbox won't work with a dog-leg box and vice versa. This is because reverse and first/fifth gear are in different positions on each box.
Drive shaft for a manual box is also longer in the front half. The rear half and center bearing are the same. Clutch and brake pedal unit is a straight swop for the auto one. The clutch fluid is fed from the rear half of the brake cyl reservoir but it is better imho to provide a separate fluid reservoir.
You also need the manual gearbox rear crossmember.
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RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - hents99 - 12-03-2015
Flywheel and clutch must be from 16v. 24v dual mass Flywheel will not fit with 717.404 box.
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 12-03-2015
yes im talking about dog leg geabox....
im think about to use :
-getrag dog leg from 190E 2.3 16v
-flywel from om603 n/a
-shift selector,drive shaft (wil be to short?),brake and clutch pedals and gearbox rear crossmember from a w124 CE 300-24V with getrag dog leg
the parts from CE work with gearbox from 190E?
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - Druk - 12-03-2015
(12-03-2015, 11:03 AM)PedroFerreira yes im talking about dog leg geabox....
im think about to use :
-getrag dog leg from 190E 2.3 16v
-flywel from om603 n/a
-shift selector,drive shaft (wil be to short?),brake and clutch pedals and gearbox rear crossmember from a w124 CE 300-24V with getrag dog leg
the parts from CE work with gearbox from 190E?
The 190e box is a 717.404 which has the long input shaft and should be fine with the SM flywheel but not the DM.
The 124 box is a 717.450 which has a short input and needs the DM flywheel although whether they use the same casing and gearchange turret or not I don't know for certain but probably. If you have the manual driveshaft it should fit. It's the auto one that shorter.
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RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 12-24-2015
what single mass fly wel can i use?
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - raysorenson - 12-24-2015
Any of them that will bolt to the crank.
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 12-24-2015
yes but i whant to go to 300hp..230mm is ok whith reinforced clutch?
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - benzguy - 12-24-2015
The bigger the clutch the better if you can find the flywheel from an 86 300E that one takes a 9.5" clutch disc
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 12-25-2015
and that is single mass? what years from 300E had single mass flywheel?
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - ccrelan - 12-25-2015
1986-1988 300e USA cars and also pre 1990 190E 2.6 USA cars were single mass
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - benzguy - 12-25-2015
(12-25-2015, 08:08 AM)PedroFerreira and that is single mass? what years from 300E had single mass flywheel?
Yes that is a single mass flywheel. The 190 with a 2.6 engine takes a smaller disc 9 inch
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 12-25-2015
european models from 300e and 190 2.6 dont use single mass?
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 01-04-2016
what drive shaft can i use on that gearbox? from 300d whith manual gearbox will work?
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - uli124125 - 01-05-2016
why use the expensive and not for high torque made 16 tranny?
if you use the 717.450 you can use the Spinter single mass set and you have a tranny that works better and which you can fix again if it is broken
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - swampmonkey - 01-11-2016
(01-05-2016, 02:14 PM)uli124125 why use the expensive and not for high torque made 16 tranny?
if you use the 717.450 you can use the Spinter single mass set and you have a tranny that works better and which you can fix again if it is broken
as far as i know its the oposite way around, aqcuantances that broke three 717.450 with 350hp something, (unknown torque) but not heaploads anyhow, while people beat the 717.404 a lot harder. A LOT
what makes the 717.450 more easy to fix btw? availability in parts?
RE: getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!! - PedroFerreira - 01-12-2016
some one can help me whit drive shaft? what can i use?