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om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - PedroFerreira - 06-05-2016

Hello,i'm now instaling om606 in my w124 300d turbo and for now I wil use stock elements from stock om603 ip..someone know how much hp i can expet?ar50/ar63 turbo

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - EDH_Performance - 06-06-2016

(06-05-2016, 08:50 PM)PedroFerreira Hello,i'm now instaling om606 in my w124 300d turbo and for now I wil use stock elements from stock om603 ip..someone know how much hp i can expet?ar50/ar63 turbo
With no tuning on pump, 143hp...With alot of tuning maybe 20-40hp extra

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - PedroFerreira - 06-06-2016

180/190hp on full load?

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - barrote - 06-06-2016

not even closer .... with 6mil u can get 250...
5.5 differ a lot in max output , not all 5.5 are same some give 40cc some 60cc and late models in 4 valve engines can reach 70/75 in a 22mil rack set pump...
sorry to say
BTW same for for 6mil they do differ a lot.

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - baldur - 06-06-2016

Why not use the stock OM606 injection pump? Seems like such a waste to do an engine swap but downgrade the injection pump so the new engine won't perform any better than the old engine.

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - hooblah - 06-06-2016

Because cheapskate lol

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - awsrock - 06-06-2016

I have seen a dyno for a maxed out 603 with 5.5mm do 175 hp / 235 ft lbs

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - zeeman - 06-07-2016

(06-06-2016, 09:25 PM)awsrock I have seen a dyno for a maxed out 603 with 5.5mm do 175 hp / 235 ft lbs

What will a OM 606 with the 603 pump with the 6mm elements get?

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - baldur - 06-07-2016

A 606 with upgraded turbo and stock 6mm elements will do around 300 horsepower. On the stock turbo that number is closer to 220.

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - zeeman - 06-08-2016

(06-07-2016, 04:43 AM)baldur A 606 with upgraded turbo and stock 6mm elements will do around 300 horsepower. On the stock turbo that number is closer to 220.

So if I understand what you are saying, going from the 606 electronic pump to the 603 mechanical pump with the 6mm elements with the stock turbo the HP. goes from 175 to 220 HP.?

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - PedroFerreira - 06-09-2016

I ride my 300d turbo with om603 whith ip at full load and my car was faster than bmw 320d 163hp..i think 175hp is possible on 603 whith 5.5mm elements...on om606 maybe 190/200?

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - baldur - 06-09-2016

(06-08-2016, 11:58 PM)zeeman
(06-07-2016, 04:43 AM)baldur A 606 with upgraded turbo and stock 6mm elements will do around 300 horsepower. On the stock turbo that number is closer to 220.

So if I understand what you are saying, going from the 606 electronic pump to the 603 mechanical pump with the 6mm elements with the stock turbo the HP. goes from 175 to 220 HP.?

Yes if your governor is set to deliver enough fuel, the stock turbo will get you over 200 horsepower using 20-22psi boost.

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - awsrock - 06-10-2016

(06-08-2016, 11:58 PM)zeeman
(06-07-2016, 04:43 AM)baldur A 606 with upgraded turbo and stock 6mm elements will do around 300 horsepower. On the stock turbo that number is closer to 220.

So if I understand what you are saying, going from the 606 electronic pump to the 603 mechanical pump with the 6mm elements with the stock turbo the HP. goes from 175 to 220 HP.?
The 5.5 can max out at 60-65 cc, which is about what a stock 606 ip puts out with 6mm. 6mm can provide 90cc, sometimes more if other things are done

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - zeeman - 06-10-2016

(06-10-2016, 06:22 AM)awsrock
(06-08-2016, 11:58 PM)zeeman
(06-07-2016, 04:43 AM)baldur A 606 with upgraded turbo and stock 6mm elements will do around 300 horsepower. On the stock turbo that number is closer to 220.

So if I understand what you are saying, going from the 606 electronic pump to the 603 mechanical pump with the 6mm elements with the stock turbo the HP. goes from 175 to 220 HP.?
The 5.5 can max out at 60-65 cc, which is about what a stock 606 ip puts out with 6mm. 6mm can provide 90cc, sometimes more if other things are done

Does the 603 I.P. pump have a different cam then the 606 pump to get the extra HP. with the 6mm elements?

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - barrote - 06-10-2016

it is not about the cam´s, is the type of element that determines the max output.
if u have the element part number u can find at least 4 types in 6mil , 1305551 60/65 , 1305552 75/80cc , 1305553 95/100, 1305554 110/115 or over, the later 2 part numbers are the only ones wich dont have cut off slot , so basically if u can use your pump for 24mm rack they will continue to inject at least 130 140cc.
in the 7mil 01305520 , 75/80 has a cut off slot , 01305522 i dont know how much , never seen one outside the bosch cathalog.

a 603 IP has 5.5mil wich has numerous part numbers , even if u find one without cut off slot i seriously dought it will inject 90cc at 22mil rack.... Wink
regards

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - zeeman - 06-10-2016

(06-10-2016, 12:57 PM)barrote it is not about the cam´s, is the type of element that determines the max output.
if u have the element part number u can find at least 4 types in 6mil , 1305551 60/65 , 1305552 75/80cc , 1305553 95/100,  1305554 110/115 or over, the later 2 part numbers are the only ones wich dont have cut off slot , so basically if u can use your pump for 24mm rack they will continue to inject at least 130 140cc.
in the 7mil 01305520 , 75/80 has a cut off slot , 01305522 i dont know how much , never seen one outside the bosch cathalog.

a 603 IP has 5.5mil wich has numerous part numbers , even if u find one without cut off slot i seriously dought it will inject 90cc at 22mil rack.... Wink
regards

Thanks for the information. Another question would be is how does injector size compared to element size affect HP.?

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - starynovy - 06-10-2016

Injector size? This is IDI.. They are big enough for all the power you need. You can get maybe 5kW by swapping nozzles without pre-injection cut on needle for ones that have this feature.  Big Grin

RE: om606 max power whith 5.5 elements - barrote - 06-11-2016

There is fast spray nozzles and slow, pintle nozles and the others.... i dont belive they worth 5kw, in IDI configuration, what can be seen as worth some kW in highly modded engines, is pulverization quality .... this is a lot more complicated than in DI´s.
use 316 nozzles and let it be.